Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson

[Silkeyjoe]

Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

[Silkeyjoe]

Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.

[Silkeyjoe]

They are all good fighters, you dont get to that level without being good. None of them are great

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.

Your even tying yourself up now trying to explain your logic.

Basically you just want to say Furys shit I take it?

Stop trying to explain why because youll end up giving yourself a headache

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

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Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

U are wrong and a retard

1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.

2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.

Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.

U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.

[bzkfn]

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

The problem is that apart from Wladimir, not one Heavyweight fighter out there is considered to be "World Class". At some point, these "decent" fighters are going to be considered world class because they're in a shitty era.

Chisora is good. He's entertaining and he always comes to fight. I have alot of respect for guys like that who just want to make a fight. Right now he's on the fringes and I have no problem with him and Fury fighting each other and at some point these "decent" fighters have got to start elimanating each other so we can work out who has the potential to graduate to "World Class". It is time for Fury, Chisora, Wilder, Pulev, Jennings and co to stop with the tomato cans and fight each other.

[Silkeyjoe]

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

The problem is that apart from Wladimir, not one Heavyweight fighter out there is considered to be "World Class". At some point, these "decent" fighters are going to be considered world class because they're in a shitty era.

Chisora is good. He's entertaining and he always comes to fight. I have alot of respect for guys like that who just want to make a fight. Right now he's on the fringes and I have no problem with him and Fury fighting each other and at some point these "decent" fighters have got to start elimanating each other so we can work out who has the potential to graduate to "World Class". It is time for Fury, Chisora, Wilder, Pulev, Jennings and co to stop with the tomato cans and fight each other.

My hope is another world class heavyweight comes along (Joshua potentially) and clears up just as Wlad retires so I will never have to resort to considering the likes of Chisora or Fury World class

[bzkfn]

My hope is another world class heavyweight comes along (Joshua potentially) and clears up just as Wlad retires so I will never have to resort to considering the likes of Chisora or Fury World class

I think if Deontay Wilder does a demolition job on Malik Scott people will be forced to take him seriously. His record of knockouts is impressive but he needed a step up. Malik is another of these "decent" fighters in the division and an impressive win will propel Wilder as a serious contender. Bryant Jennings is another one with serious potential. I think we need an American to prove to be World Class so that the Heavyweight division returns to HBO/Showtime in the Main Event. We also need more than one guy on the scene to make it interesting.

[Bo-Bo24]

Apparently this card is on show in America

World Boxing News - Tyson Fury and Dereck Chisora bouts to air in North America on February 15

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Chisora could be in big trouble.

If Johnson is fit he will be able to use the skill he has without chasing Chisora and Don Charles has already said they are concerened about the crowd booing because of Johnsons style and that Chisora will make the fight. Johnson will love this. If European level journeymen can hurt Chisora Johnson will too.

Is Johnson fit?

He could well be. He fought a 10 rounder on the 20th of December and went straight in to another training camp to spar with Artur szpilka so he has stayed training and sharp. He has had 3 weeks notice so a couple of weeks to turn it back up.

Warren will regret this.

Johnson being interviewed in the Spilka camp on the 10th of January http://www.ringpolska.pl/artur-szpil...ebami#comments

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/fres...ennings-234843

[Silkeyjoe]

Chisora could be in big trouble.

If Johnson is fit he will be able to use the skill he has without chasing Chisora and Don Charles has already said they are concerened about the crowd booing because of Johnsons style and that Chisora will make the fight. Johnson will love this. If European level journeymen can hurt Chisora Johnson will too.

Is Johnson fit?

He could well be. He fought a 10 rounder on the 20th of December and went straight in to another training camp to spar with Artur szpilka so he has stayed training and sharp. He has had 3 weeks notice so a couple of weeks to turn it back up.

Warren will regret this.

Johnson being interviewed in the Spilka camp on the 10th of January Johnson o Szpilka - Jennings: Trzymam język za zębami

Boxing News | Fres Oquendo: Szpilka can stop Jennings

Hes 4/1 with a few bookies. Might be worth a dabble?