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kirkland sparked canelo a few times. THe real difference was canelo had enough smarts to block and move.
kirk seemed like he wanted to show he had a rock hard chin and could take all them blows to the face. He didnt attempt to move left right or back, just forward. Zero head movement "unless it was moved with canelo's punches" and the only blocking he did was with his face.
Kirk should retire now, cause he is already slurring his words.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Canelo withstood Kirkland's rush in straight forward style fairly well, he got tagged a few times, but never seemed in any danger. I was surprised Kirkland wasn't KO'd in the first round because of how wide open he was to counter, but Canelo missed a series of right handed uppercuts on him. Kirkland didn't use many angles, he just rushed in took the brunt of the punches well, but then would get clipped every so often.
Miguel Cotto won't do that vs Canelo, I predict that fight will have a slower pace to it as Cotto is a more cerebral fighter than Kirkland. Miguel will pick his spots to box and his spots to dig in...if Miguel can get behind that jab and win the first half of the fight that's good, but the problem comes when Cotto runs out of energy. Does Cotto have the power to stop Canelo? Does he have the power to drop Canelo? I think we see a much closer fight between them. I dont' care who wins at this point, I've always been a Cotto fan, but I just think it's ridiculous anytime a boxer tries to make his own little weight class and for Cotto it's like 150-152....what you can't make 147? Then lift more weights and be a good junior middleweight! Or at the very least fight at 154 and don't do the catchweight bullshit
Last week you guys complained the fight had no action.
This week you get action, but complain about skill level.
Not comparing these two-to Haglar Hearns-rather the way it went down:
2 guys ending a 3 round war with slugging.
One guy has a chin to get checked but gave all he could.
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I think Canelo showed good skill, but the constant missing of those right uppercuts, he wasn't missing by a lot, he was missing in a way you knew that he'd land eventually....but those punches are VERY dangerous to miss as it leaves you in a vulnerable position for a longer period of time and with Kirkland pressed in maybe too far for his own good he didn't see the openings or feel the openings but he could have landed left hooks at any point in time (head or body) when Alvarez missed.
I was disappointed in Kirkland's footwork, but he was relentless, he was letting his hands go....I just think he got carried away with himself either because of the early knockdown or he thought he was doing more damage on Canelo than he actually was.
Very fun fight to watch though
Alvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAlvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Despite the knockdown in the first I think Kirk did get to Canelo, obviously not to a great degree but he got him. Kirkland was also sucking for air early on despite the HBO crew going on about his great conditioning. Canelo May have missed with a lot of those upper cuts but he does have a good one. Kirks corner was pleading with him to keep his hands up and not doing so played apart in his early demise. The KO was coming but he pretty much gave it away. You never know what Kirk is going to show up to a fight but if you look at his stats he doesn't win without Wolfe, not saying he would have won this with her but perhaps he would have had the extra motivation he appears to respond well to. His records impressive for someone who has spent five years in jail (I think that's correct) I hope he didn't go completely off the rails when he can't box anymore but I fear he may be one of those guys, a lot of wars, a lot of cerebral damage.
Knowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAlvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseKnowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAlvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.
Kirkland was made for Canelo and so looked spectacular.
someone explain how a win over a guy who hadn't fought in nearly 2 years is a big deal plz? especially when the guy is as one dimensional as they come and had already been sparked by a feather fisted fighter in the 1st:confused::-X:rolleyes:
Because they want to create another superstar and ppv fighter so that they can milk fans out of more money. The media hype and manufacturing by the TV companies of fighters to fill the gap Fraud Mayweather and Manny Pac is embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
my point exactly, this win was pointless and hollow, he should have just been rematching Lara who already beat Canelito in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterBecause they want to create another superstar and ppv fighter so that they can milk fans out of more money. The media hype and manufacturing by the TV companies of fighters to fill the gap Fraud Mayweather and Manny Pac is embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Alvarez has already gotten in the ring with the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). He's gotten in the ring with with the 2 most avoided fighters in his division (Lara and Trout). He's gotten in the ring with the most dangerous fighter in his division (Kirkland). And he's doing his damnest to get in the ring with the middleweight champion in the world (Cotto). Yeah Alvarez has really shown he ducks fighters. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseKnowledgeable fans know Cotto ducked him. To say Mayweather-Cotto 2 was a possibility is hilarious considering they never once sat down to negotiate. It was just an excuse to avoid both Alvarez and Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAlvarez conceded Cotto the larger purse and allowed him to pick the venue. Yet Alvarez wanted the upper hand? :LOLATYOU: Facts don't lie. Cotto had his pick of Saul Alvarez or Gennady Golovkin to defend against. And he picks Daniel Geale. A fighter who not only was once dethroned by chump fighter Darren Baker but was demolished by Golovkin in his second to last fight. Cotto pulled off the seldom seen double duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:vd:
If "ducking" means not letting the upstart have the upper hand in the negotiations.....
YES.... Cotto "ducked" Canelo.
Cotto was looking toward a very possible Floyd rematch, which given the history of the Floyd-Pac negotiations, looked like a very real possibility. As opposed to Canelo, people would actually watch a rematch between Floyd and Cotto. Canelo wouldn't know anything about that, being about 10 levels below Floyd's caliber of fighter. GBP came in with their deadlines and trying to play hardball with Cotto. Cotto basically told them to f*ck off... he's signed his own lucrative deal. In the end, all fighters are after the big bucks. Difference between Cotto and Canelo is: Cotto has earned the right to be picky and go after the big bucks. Canelo is still trying to live up to his golden crib hype. His fight against Floyd didn't do him any favors, either. Of course the Canelo crowd is now jumping all over's Kirkland's boxing cadaver... but knowledgeable fans knew the score beforehand.
Knowledgeable fans know no such thing.
Boxing's a business. If you're gonna begrudge Cotto his well-earned right to play hardball right back with Canelo and his negotiations, that's your right. But Cotto has always had a better resume to bargain with than Canelo, if not the undeserved hype. Don't worry though..... Cotto-Canelo may yet happen after all.
You keep bringing up Golovkin. I'll agree Cotto's people want no part of GGG. Cotto's not a true MW, and I've always said as much. Canelo hasn't avoided him yet, but give him time. GGG hasn't called him out yet.