Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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Fenster
Who's complaining? Who said Americans shouldn't have home advantage?
America is no different to anywhere else when it comes to supporting your countrymen. In fact, as an outsider, I can confidently say your country is looked at as P4P no.1 for self cheerleading.
Just this year we've had James Degale, Carl Frampton, Jamie McDonnell and Ricky Burns fighting in America. Throughout the bouts the Brits were getting booed and the Americans were chanting USA! USA! USA!
10,000 Americans cheering for Crawford/Wilder in their hometown are 10,000 Americans. Fact.
Crawford traveled for his shot. Sat through the cheers for Burns in the UK and returned to home State a hero. Any fighter that can bring boxing talk to the corn fields of BF Nebraska has done well for himself.
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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TitoFan
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beenKOed
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powerpuncher
I agree that they are fortunate. That's just how it works though. For the most part, the biggest fights will be in the US. Fortunately for others, they often don't have to live here. They can train in their country and then come here for their fight and go back home. Also, Americans usually don't care about the nationality of a fighter. They don't root for someone just because they are American.
I agree.
"Usually" being the key word here.
I've seen cases in which this is not true. It's not a big deal, either.
Most if not all countries root for their own.
Let me put it this way. All other things being equal, fans will root for the local fighter...... usually.
I can't recall any American ever saying that they are rooting for a fighter because he is American. International competition is different. Things like the Olympics or world championships Americans do root for their own country. Boxing isn't considered an international competition in that same regard.
For example, I can't imagine that if Floyd were from a different country that he would be beloved regardless of his problems. Here in the US, tons of people hate him. In fact, most want him to lose. Look back at Ali. Tons of Americans hated him. They watched his fights to see him lose. Can you imagine a fighter of that caliber from mexico, Puerto rice, the UK or somewhere wanting their countryman to lose that bad? Maybe there is a case where this is true but someone give me an example of an elite fighter from anywhere in the world that's not the US, that their countrymen hated them and wanted them to lose.
I think it's because the US is so big that we have a lot to choose from. Imagine Puerto Rico hating Trinidad or mexico hating Chavez. It just wouldn't happen.
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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powerpuncher
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TitoFan
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beenKOed
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powerpuncher
I agree that they are fortunate. That's just how it works though. For the most part, the biggest fights will be in the US. Fortunately for others, they often don't have to live here. They can train in their country and then come here for their fight and go back home. Also, Americans usually don't care about the nationality of a fighter. They don't root for someone just because they are American.
I agree.
"Usually" being the key word here.
I've seen cases in which this is not true. It's not a big deal, either.
Most if not all countries root for their own.
Let me put it this way. All other things being equal, fans will root for the local fighter...... usually.
I can't recall any American ever saying that they are rooting for a fighter because he is American. International competition is different. Things like the Olympics or world championships Americans do root for their own country. Boxing isn't considered an international competition in that same regard.
For example, I can't imagine that if Floyd were from a different country that he would be beloved regardless of his problems. Here in the US, tons of people hate him. In fact, most want him to lose. Look back at Ali. Tons of Americans hated him. They watched his fights to see him lose. Can you imagine a fighter of that caliber from mexico, Puerto rice, the UK or somewhere wanting their countryman to lose that bad? Maybe there is a case where this is true but someone give me an example of an elite fighter from anywhere in the world that's not the US, that their countrymen hated them and wanted them to lose.
I think it's because the US is so big that we have a lot to choose from. Imagine Puerto Rico hating Trinidad or mexico hating Chavez. It just wouldn't happen.
Well, Trinidad or Chavez (the persons) would never be confused with Floyd. I imagine if we had a scumbag, woman-beating fighter, with no redeeming personal attributes.... we wouldn't cheer for him at all.
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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Fenster
10,000 Americans cheering for Crawford/Wilder in their hometown are 10,000 Americans. Fact.
I see you dropped Broner from your arguments.
Wise choice.
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Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
I said Crawford deserves respect for winning his title in a foreign country in the very first post of this thread.
The claim made was - "Americans don't support Americans just because they are American." Which is palpably not true. I gave four examples of UK fighters, this year alone, that have clearly had the American crowd cheering against them.
Now maybe i'm missing something here?
Do African Americans not consider Irish Americans American? Do Irish Americans not consider Italian Americans American? Do Italian Americans not consider African Americans American?
Either way the rest of the world consider you American. And "Americans" support their own just like everywhere else in the world.
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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TitoFan
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Fenster
10,000 Americans cheering for Crawford/Wilder in their hometown are 10,000 Americans. Fact.
I see you dropped Broner from your arguments.
Wise choice.
:cool:
Broner was no longer relevant to my point but ill prove American boxing fans support Broner against a foreigner.
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This is Broner against Gavin Rees - a Brit. This is in New Jersey so it's not even Broner's hometown.
Who are the crowd going wild for when the Welshman is getting knocked out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSfeHOW5U4
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
So by THAT rational, why are people in London cheering for Tyson Fury when he fights there?
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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El Kabong
So by THAT rational, why are people in London cheering for Tyson Fury when he fights there?
Because he has fans?
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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Fenster
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El Kabong
So by THAT rational, why are people in London cheering for Tyson Fury when he fights there?
Because he has fans?
And Broner doesn't?
Also let's not forget that the average fan with nothing to lose or gain in a fight quite often just want to see someone regardless of who knocked out
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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El Kabong
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Fenster
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El Kabong
So by THAT rational, why are people in London cheering for Tyson Fury when he fights there?
Because he has fans?
And Broner doesn't?
Also let's not forget that the average fan with nothing to lose or gain in a fight quite often just want to see someone regardless of who knocked out
No Lyle. Fans in the U.S. cheer for Broner against any foreigner because he's American. Fenster has proven his point. The reason Mayweather gets booed, even against foreigners, is that there are foreign undercover fans planted in the arena, secretly posing as American fans... so it'll seem like Americans are booing their own. True American fans are denied admission into the fights, and thus cannot cheer for their beloved countryman.
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
This is Broner against Gavin Rees - a Brit. This is in New Jersey so it's not even Broner's hometown.
Who are the crowd going wild for when the Welshman is getting knocked out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSfeHOW5U4
As an American I was pulling for Reese in that fight. Even in the replay you posted I was hoping Broner would lose, damnit
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Fenster
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El Kabong
So by THAT rational, why are people in London cheering for Tyson Fury when he fights there?
Because he has fans?
And Broner doesn't?
Also let's not forget that the average fan with nothing to lose or gain in a fight quite often just want to see someone regardless of who knocked out
No Lyle. Fans in the U.S. cheer for Broner against any foreigner because he's American. Fenster has proven his point. The reason Mayweather gets booed, even against foreigners, is that there are foreign undercover fans planted in the arena, secretly posing as American fans... so it'll seem like Americans are booing their own. True American fans are denied admission into the fights, and thus cannot cheer for their beloved countryman.
It's not about being American, its about the name. Since he was the bigger name and was at that point thought of as the next Floyd, people cheered for him. Once he showed that he was an idiot and started losing, everyone roots against him.
Re: American fighters are born with a silver spoon in mouth. Home advantage. Fact.
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TitoFan
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powerpuncher
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TitoFan
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beenKOed
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powerpuncher
I agree that they are fortunate. That's just how it works though. For the most part, the biggest fights will be in the US. Fortunately for others, they often don't have to live here. They can train in their country and then come here for their fight and go back home. Also, Americans usually don't care about the nationality of a fighter. They don't root for someone just because they are American.
I agree.
"Usually" being the key word here.
I've seen cases in which this is not true. It's not a big deal, either.
Most if not all countries root for their own.
Let me put it this way. All other things being equal, fans will root for the local fighter...... usually.
I can't recall any American ever saying that they are rooting for a fighter because he is American. International competition is different. Things like the Olympics or world championships Americans do root for their own country. Boxing isn't considered an international competition in that same regard.
For example, I can't imagine that if Floyd were from a different country that he would be beloved regardless of his problems. Here in the US, tons of people hate him. In fact, most want him to lose. Look back at Ali. Tons of Americans hated him. They watched his fights to see him lose. Can you imagine a fighter of that caliber from mexico, Puerto rice, the UK or somewhere wanting their countryman to lose that bad? Maybe there is a case where this is true but someone give me an example of an elite fighter from anywhere in the world that's not the US, that their countrymen hated them and wanted them to lose.
I think it's because the US is so big that we have a lot to choose from. Imagine Puerto Rico hating Trinidad or mexico hating Chavez. It just wouldn't happen.
Well, Trinidad or Chavez (the persons) would never be confused with Floyd. I imagine if we had a scumbag, woman-beating fighter, with no redeeming personal attributes.... we wouldn't cheer for him at all.
Well we will see once Puerto Rico gets an elite fighter that is a scum bag and see what happens.
