Just rewatched Pacquaio-JMM 1

High you figure Pac wasn't in his prime against JMM? How is JMM past his prime? i've never heard this before today.

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Originally Posted by The Boxer

High you figure Pac wasn't in his prime against JMM? How is JMM past his prime? i've never heard this before today.

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Pac was left hand happy back then against JMM. Morales benifited from that fight and defeated Pac. EM used Pac-JMM blueprint.

I noticed JMM's reflex was starting to slow down a bit against Jaca. He won that fight by KO btw, I gotta give him that. His punching power has deteriorated and have been brawling more lately. His fights with MAB and Juarez are very indicative of that.

i'll give you JMM being past it a little, but Pac was prime when they fought.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

Do you know that JMM didnt want an immediate rematch dont you?

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Funny Miron those followers of JMM and the JMM camp says the compete opposite. Unless someone can provide actual truth to the issue it should not be tossed around as a given that it was JMM that avoided the rematch. That is unless you have concrete facts / evidence.

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Originally Posted by The Boxer

i'll give you JMM being past it a little, but Pac was prime when they fought.

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That's your opinion. I can live with it.:)

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Hahaha.I could be Roach, Pacstraight is Arum and Julius is Pacquaio himself. PAcfan..... you are?????;D

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ARA MINA!!!

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

Funny Miron those followers of JMM and the JMM camp says the compete opposite. Unless someone can provide actual truth to the issue it should not be tossed around as a given that it was JMM that avoided the rematch. That is unless you have concrete facts / evidence.

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I believe the rematch was offered to Marquez but instead he fought Chris John for only 50k and got robbed in Indonesia.

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Originally Posted by ICB

I believe the rematch was offered to Marquez but instead he fought Chris John for only 50k and got robbed in Indonesia.

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addicted to boxing, that should be enough fact for you. Ice is one of the most accurate and detail poster around even though his still a young pup like me. Ice knows a lot about boxing and what goes around boxing. His not a pac fan by the way, but he'll tell you the truth. That there is not any bias statement. That came from a nuetral guy cause his a fan of jmm more so then of pac.

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Originally Posted by The Boxer

so are you saying JMM didn't get any better.

i'm gonna say this to give you Pac fans something to think about. PAC knock JMM down 3 times in the 1st round and JMM comes back to make it an extreemly close fight. fight many including myself felt he won. what makes you so sure that he can finish him? he couldn't do it then. i'm gonna re watch the fight with in the next week so i can tell you exactly how JMM will win.

this fight should have happen at least 3 years ago.

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Yes he kd jmm three times, yes jmm came back to win most of the rounds after that and yes many though jmm won the fight (jmm fan ofcourse). Everything you said has already been thought about and heard of, what was it that was suppose to be especial for us to think about? how can we be sure pac can finish jmm off this time around?

well if you know boxing, everything points to jmm getting stop.

The first fight was jmms best performance, and it only got him a draw. If you want to talk technically, you can ask the judge that mis-scored it. He apologize for his mistake. He admit pac should of won sd. although jmm put up a great fight he didn't win that fight. Pac won enough to still win. It was a hill jmm just couldn't climb.

Another big factor, pac was one demensional then. Since you don't agree pac wasn't prime then. Well do you think pac is still one demensional now?

Keep it coming, I like replying to you more than addicted to boxing cause you seem like you have a bit more sense then that retard. ;)

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Originally Posted by The Boxer

so are you saying JMM didn't get any better.

i'm gonna say this to give you Pac fans something to think about. PAC knock JMM down 3 times in the 1st round and JMM comes back to make it an extreemly close fight. fight many including myself felt he won. what makes you so sure that he can finish him? he couldn't do it then. i'm gonna re watch the fight with in the next week so i can tell you exactly how JMM will win.

this fight should have happen at least 3 years ago.

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Because Marquez is brawling much more than he used to, even though he is a surperb counter puncher he seems to want to get stuck in much more than he used to. Marquez can win many ways by using the straight right hand which is a southpaw's biggest weakness and one of Marquez's best punches. In fact i know this may sound strange but i think he should abandon the jab because its hard to deal with the southpaw jab. And he should just lead with straight right hands IMO. He needs to take a step back when Pacquiao is on the offensive then counter, he also needs to time Pacquiao's bobbing and weaving, Pacquiao may have faster hands but have you ever heard the old saying timing beats speed ?? Marquez can also step outside Pacquiao's lead leg and force him to move in a direction that is against Pacquiao's natural power. It all depends on how Marquez approaches this fight, Pacquiao has improved since there first meeting and has much more array of punches, where as Marquez has been brawling much more which doesn't bode well for Marquez, but im still going with my boy Marquez pulling off a tough UD, 115-113, 116-112, 115-113. I think Marquez has what it takes to beat Pacquiao *Style Wise* lets just see if he can execute it.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Because Marquez is brawling much more than he used to, even though he is a surperb counter puncher he seems to want to get stuck in much more than he used to. Marquez can win many ways by using the straight right hand which is a southpaw's biggest weakness and one of Marquez's best punches. In fact i know this may sound strange but i think he should abandon the jab because its hard to deal with the southpaw jab. And he should just lead with straight right hands IMO. He needs to take a step back when Pacquiao is on the offensive then counter, he also needs to time Pacquiao's bobbing and weaving, Pacquiao may have faster hands but have you ever heard the old saying timing beats speed ?? Marquez can also step outside Pacquiao's lead leg and force him to move in a direction that is against Pacquiao's natural power. It all depends on how Marquez approaches this fight, Pacquiao has improved since there first meeting and has much more array of punches, where as Marquez has been brawling much more which doesn't bode well for Marquez, but im still going with my boy Marquez pulling off a tough UD, 115-113, 116-112, 115-113. I think Marquez has what it takes to beat Pacquiao *Style Wise* lets just see if he can execute it.

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We still have our bet right ??, My opinion has changed from Pac points to Pac KO ;)

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Originally Posted by leftylee

We still have our bet right ??, My opinion has changed from Pac points to Pac KO ;)

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hey wait a minute, you two timing whore!!!! :mad:

we have a bet too, and your going with jmm now i find out you have another bet with ice and your going with pac? you dirty bastard! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

hey wait a minute, you two timing whore!!!! :mad:

we have a bet too, and your going with jmm now i find out you have another bet with ice and your going with pac? you dirty bastard! :mad:

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I'm only teasing my filipino friend, ICB won't accept anyway ;)

The bet with you is still on.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

I'm only teasing my filipino friend, ICB won't accept anyway ;)

The bet with you is still on.

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:lolololol:

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

:lolololol:

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CHECK YOUR PM AND LEFTY WILL EXPLAIN ALL!!!! ;D

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Pac was left hand happy back then against JMM. Morales benifited from that fight and defeated Pac. EM used Pac-JMM blueprint.

I noticed JMM's reflex was starting to slow down a bit against Jaca. He won that fight by KO btw, I gotta give him that. His punching power has deteriorated and have been brawling more lately. His fights with MAB and Juarez are very indicative of that.

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I agree with you 100%, after those fights I was commenting that Marquez seemed to have lost a step. A prime JMM was as good as PAC, this JMM will get massacred.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

I agree with you 100%, after those fights I was commenting that Marquez seemed to have lost a step. A prime JMM was as good as PAC, this JMM will get massacred.

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pac may have not finish jmm in the first fight but pac ruined jmm. Jmm was never the same after the first fight now he'll put an end to jmm this time around.

I'm sticking with my decision,Manny via points. Anyone wants to Rep or Sig bet,you know where I am.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Yes he kd jmm three times, yes jmm came back to win most of the rounds after that and yes many though jmm won the fight (jmm fan ofcourse). Everything you said has already been thought about and heard of, what was it that was suppose to be especial for us to think about? how can we be sure pac can finish jmm off this time around?

well if you know boxing, everything points to jmm getting stop.

The first fight was jmms best performance, and it only got him a draw. If you want to talk technically, you can ask the judge that mis-scored it. He apologize for his mistake. He admit pac should of won sd. although jmm put up a great fight he didn't win that fight. Pac won enough to still win. It was a hill jmm just couldn't climb.

Another big factor, pac was one demensional then. Since you don't agree pac wasn't prime then. Well do you think pac is still one demensional now?

Keep it coming, I like replying to you more than addicted to boxing cause you seem like you have a bit more sense then that retard. ;)

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Julius, sure Pac is no longer 1 demensional but I would hardly say that Pac is sound enough to be considered a ring tecnician. I also feel that JMM is a shade of what he used to be. Which adds to his legacy of beating old warriors. Add todays JD outcome and now I can see Pac and his followers calling out Juan. From what I saw today, Pac could whup him, providing JD comes to the fight as poorly conditoned / focused as he was today. His cornermen were complete amateurs. So if Pac rattled him early I see him buckling. Nate exposed him as many said he would. Lets get this straight, I do not hate Pac! I hate the level of competition he has faced and attained fame in doing so. I just want to see him see him fight young hungry bucks and afford them the opportunity he was given by MAB. Sure MAB & EM sound good on paper but everyone knows boxers well into their 30's are not what they once were. I just wanna see Pac against Soto, Valero, and Guzman. Clean house and then jump up in weight. Beating old and worn EM, MAB and a 34 year old JMM just does not seal the envelope.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

addicted to boxing, that should be enough fact for you. Ice is one of the most accurate and detail poster around even though his still a young pup like me. Ice knows a lot about boxing and what goes around boxing. His not a pac fan by the way, but he'll tell you the truth. That there is not any bias statement. That came from a nuetral guy cause his a fan of jmm more so then of pac.

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Let it be known JMM never avoided the rematch it was a case of him not being comfortable with the economics of the rematch.


http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=12962

The champion should get the bigger share. the one with the belt should get more money. I know Pac is the draw, but the challenger does not face the opponents mandates that a Champion does. Boxers buy into this method and pay fees to the governing bodies for this structure or lose their belts. Come on what kind of idiot what have accepted $750,000 for a brutal rematch with Pac ? JMM asked for 1.5 million (in my opinion a fair asking price) Epecially with a new deal that will make him more than 3 times that total and perhaps more based on projected PPV totals.

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Originally Posted by GAME

Rafas the better puncher of the two and Juan the better boxer IMO . He'll need to get back to his sweet boxing to beat Pac but Pacs gonn aget back his his assertive best if he wanst to shake up Marquez cuz I dont think he can do it with boxing skill

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youre right about that my friend. also i want to add that both marquez brothers have weak chins.. thats something you could never train for.

This fight is really becoming interesting.;)


In truth, I gave Marquez a chance of winning this fight. Pacquaio cannot afford not to be serious on this one.


I just can't believe what addicted to boxing is claiming..... that Marquez is too old to win this one. He has continuously accused Pacquaio of fighting an old fighter again as if telling to the world that this fight is a sure victory for Pacquaio.

So i'd like to ask him if he knows any boxer in the superfeatherweight who is as good as (or as exciting as) Marquez right now.

Definitely, PAcquaio wants to fight Valero or Guzman. However, it was Valero himself who was hesitant to fight Pacquaio after Pacquaio KOed Morales in their 2nd and 3rd fight. Same with Guzman who stopped calling on Pacquaio after those fights.

You know the reason addicted to boxing why these "young fighters" that you mentioned are not fighting Pacquaio? Valero said that he is still not ready for Pacquaio.Guzman stopped taunting PAcquaio after he was unable to deliver a KO in his fight with Soto. These fighters knew that to fight Pacquaio now will be too risky for them.

So please stop making accusations as if you know anything in boxing.

We are giving you bad reps coz you claim to know about boxing and you make accusations against a fighter though you don't know anything about the issue.

Posters like ICB can tell you that Pacquaio wanted to fight Marquez after their first fight but Marquez opted to fight Chris John. Claiming that Pacquaio waited to fight Marquez for four years so that he will be assured of victory is clearly a statement of your disrespect to a fighter who, in one way or another, has made this sport very exciting for most of us.

You deserved to be given bad reps every day if you continue to disrespect fighters..... and I'm calling on all decent posters to give you bad reps if you continue what you are doing to remind you that this is a respectable forum. Posters like you need to be disciplined as all of us have been.:cool:

Get it right my friend my issue is with you !!!!

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

Get it right my friend my issue is with you !!!!

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when you talk nonsense, your issue is with the forum and all the true boxing fans in here.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

This fight is really becoming interesting.;)


In truth, I gave Marquez a chance of winning this fight. Pacquaio cannot afford not to be serious on this one.


I just can't believe what addicted to boxing is claiming..... that Marquez is too old to win this one. He has continuously accused Pacquaio of fighting an old fighter again as if telling to the world that this fight is a sure victory for Pacquaio.

So i'd like to ask him if he knows any boxer in the superfeatherweight who is as good as (or as exciting as) Marquez right now.

Definitely, PAcquaio wants to fight Valero or Guzman. However, it was Valero himself who was hesitant to fight Pacquaio after Pacquaio KOed Morales in their 2nd and 3rd fight. Same with Guzman who stopped calling on Pacquaio after those fights.

You know the reason addicted to boxing why these "young fighters" that you mentioned are not fighting Pacquaio? Valero said that he is still not ready for Pacquaio.Guzman stopped taunting PAcquaio after he was unable to deliver a KO in his fight with Soto. These fighters knew that to fight Pacquaio now with be too risky for them.

So please stop making accusations as if you know anything in boxing.

We are giving you bad reps coz you claim to know about boxing and you make accusations against a fighter though you don't know anything about the issue.

Posters like ICB can tell you that Pacquaio wanted to fight Marquez after their first fight but Marquez opted to fight Chris John. Claiming that Pacquaio waited to fight Marquez for four years so that he will be assured of victory is clearly a statement of your disrespect to a fighter who, in one way or another, has made this sport very exciting for most of us.

You deserved to be given bad reps every day if you continue to disrespect fighters..... and I'm calling on all decent posters to give you bad reps if you continue what you are doing to remind you that this is a respectable forum. Posters like you need to be disciplined as all of us have been.:cool:

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I'm calling on all decent posters (meaning PAC fans, what a joke) is that your Pinoy siren sounding off ... whew whew whew whew ""Come on fellas this guy is not into our Pac"". So gay ...... I may disrespect you, but I do not disrespect Pac ! I just do not hold him in as high esteem as you and it busts your balls , eats your lunch, turns your stomach to hear anything negative about your Daddy ! To add to matters then you refer comments by other Pac huggers to validate your comments what a joke. The difference is that the JMM fans are operating in shut mouth mode, but come next week if Pac loses it will be a riot in here. They obviously are unsure of their man. Now tell me what role did ICB play in the rematch negotiations that validates what he says beside agreeing with you? It is Ok for you Pac huggers to disrespect all of Pacs present and future opponents and not give them any chance of winning and it is also disrespectful / cowardly to penalize posters with rebuttals to to your opinions.

To the contrary I enter this forum when I have time and it is you huggers that get under my skin thus my replies. I do not disappear after fights as you mentioned in your post, though your wishful thinking is coming across in text. FYI you do not own this forum !!!!


all others are a descredit to boxing. You are joke ...

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Originally Posted by josef4334

youre right about that my friend. also i want to add that both marquez brothers have weak chins.. thats something you could never train for.

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Weak chins ....... being knocked down / out by Pac and Vasquez does not constitute a weak chin most fighters have gone down by these two mule punching fighters. Also Rafa is not geared to fight at that weight as it is Vasquez's natural weight. So Jose back up your comments please ..... por favor, no hablas de tu culo !

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Originally Posted by brucelee

when you talk nonsense, your issue is with the forum and all the true boxing fans in here.

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Really, I have not read any forum replies except from you trio of huggers.

Still 3rd party hear say !!!

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

I'm calling on all decent posters (meaning PAC fans, what a joke) is that your Pinoy siren sounding off ... whew whew whew whew ""Come on fellas this guy is not into our Pac"".
So gay ...... I may disrespect you, but I do not disrespect Pac ! I just do not hold him in as high esteem as you and it busts your balls , eats your lunch, turns your stomach to hear anything negative about your Daddy ! To add to matters then you refer comment by other Pac huggers to validate your comments what a joke. The difference that the JMM fans are operating in shut mouth mode but come next week if Pac loses it will be a riot in here. They obviously are unsure of their man. Now tell me what role did ICB play in the rematch negotiations that validates what he says beside agreeing with you? It is ok for you Pac huggers to disrespect all of Pacs present and future opponents and not give them any chance of winning and it is also disrespectful / cowardly to penalize posters with rebuttals to to your opinions. To the contrary I enter this forum when I have time and it is you huggers that get under my skin thus my replies. I do not disappear after fights as you mentioned in your post, though you wishful thinking is coming across in text. FYI you do not own this forum !!!!


all others are a descredit to boxing. You are joke ...

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Who are you calling Pachuggers? JuliusRain is definitely not. He placed his bet on MAB against PAcquaio. Read PAcstraightleft's posts and you will know that he is simply a boxing fan. AS for me, you can call me the number one fan of PAcquaio for now but I will definitely say bad things about him if he's not doing things a boxer should do before a fight.

I did not say that the opponents of PAc don't have a chance of winning against him. At this point in time, I just know that his opponents would have a hard time winning against him. Be it young or old. If MArquez wins over PAcquaio, be assured that I will respect that. FYI, I am also a fan of MArquez. My instinct just tells me that it is more likely that Pacquaio will win this one but he will win it with much much more difficulty than his previous fights.


When you say that Marquez will surely lose this fight...... that's what I mean by disrespect.


By the way, I do not claim infallibility in my bets unlike you.



LAstly, am sure you are a Pac-hater based on your posts...... that you can not refute:cool:

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

I'm calling on all decent posters (meaning PAC fans, what a joke) is that your Pinoy siren sounding off ... whew whew whew whew ""Come on fellas this guy is not into our Pac"". So gay ...... I may disrespect you, but I do not disrespect Pac ! I just do not hold him in as high esteem as you and it busts your balls , eats your lunch, turns your stomach to hear anything negative about your Daddy ! To add to matters then you refer comments by other Pac huggers to validate your comments what a joke. The difference is that the JMM fans are operating in shut mouth mode, but come next week if Pac loses it will be a riot in here. They obviously are unsure of their man. Now tell me what role did ICB play in the rematch negotiations that validates what he says beside agreeing with you? It is Ok for you Pac huggers to disrespect all of Pacs present and future opponents and not give them any chance of winning and it is also disrespectful / cowardly to penalize posters with rebuttals to to your opinions.

To the contrary I enter this forum when I have time and it is you huggers that get under my skin thus my replies. I do not disappear after fights as you mentioned in your post, though your wishful thinking is coming across in text. FYI you do not own this forum !!!!


all others are a descredit to boxing. You are joke ...

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Oh wait .... you need ICB to validate your comment and make it official .... When does your stand up gig end BruceJester ?

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

Oh wait .... you need ICB to validate your comment and make it official .... When does your stand up gig end BruceJester ?

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trio of pachugers? how about Joseph? does the four of us makes it a trio?who's the jester here?;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Who are you calling Pachuggers? JuliusRain is definitely not. He placed his bet on MAB against PAcquaio. Read PAcstraightleft's posts and you will know that he is simply a boxing fan. AS for me, you can call me the number one fan of PAcquaio for now but I will definitely say bad things about him if he's not doing things a boxer should do before a fight.

I did not say that the opponents of PAc don't have a chance of winning against him. At this point in time, I just know that his opponents would have a hard time winning against him. Be it young or old. If MArquez wins over PAcquaio, be assured that I will respect that. FYI, I am also a fan of MArquez. My instinct just tells me that it is more likely that Pacquaio will win this one but he will win it with much much more difficulty than his previous fights.


When you say that Marquez will surely lose this fight...... that's what I mean by disrespect.


By the way, I do not claim infallibility in my bets unlike you.



LAstly, am sure you are a Pac-hater based on your posts...... that you can not refute:cool:

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By the way, I do not claim infallibility in my bets unlike you.? I am also not immune to mistake so where do you get this information ? I have yet to make any bets in this forum. I make mine in person. Lastly I do not hate Pac. I think he is awesome but most of his recent opponents seem to have age and coming up in weight liabilities which keeps me from being sold on Pac.

Reply if you must addicted but make it sure that you know some boxing if you do. Your ignorance have become vulgar and may not be repudiated by using bad words or insults. ;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

trio of pachugers? how about Joseph? does the four of us makes it a trio?who's the jester here?;D

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I have not had an exchange with Jose so I omitted him.. No need for me to pile on ....

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Reply if you must addicted but make it sure that you know some boxing if you do. Your ignorance have become vulgar and may not be repudiated by using bad words or insults. ;D

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I give you 3 amigos credit for being great fans though, more than I can say about the JMM fans out there hiding under rocks !! Repudiated insults ..... lol ? I have to, you guys act like the Pinoy mafia in here .. Gang up on non PACLAND members .... lol

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

Weak chins ....... being knocked down / out by Pac and Vasquez does not constitute a weak chin most fighters have gone down by these two mule punching fighters. Also Rafa is not geared to fight at that weight as it is Vasquez's natural weight. So Jose back up your comments please ..... por favor, no hablas de tu culo !

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oh you forgot about barerra too. marquez got hit on his face and he dropped like a brick.and how big of a puncher is barerra of today? rafa everytime got hit wobbled like michael jackson so i think he has a strong chin for you. youre name is addicted to boxing huh? you're never on any other thread but a pacquiao thread just trying to irritate people who wants to have a good conversation here. rafa is not geared up to fight at that weight? didnt he take the belt from Izzy the first fight? im not talking out of my ass..you on the other hand need to pull your head out of yours.
my name is josef by the way... not jose.. tho i understand coz u just pulled your head out of ur culo, u need to wipe your glasses.

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

I give you 3 amigos credit for being great fans though, more than I can say about the JMM fans out there hiding under rocks !! Repudiated insults ..... lol ? I have to, you guys act like the Pinoy mafia in here .. Gang up on non PACLAND members .... lol

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For the RECORD, I am not a member of PACLAND or any other forums. I am loyal to SADDOBOXING ONLY!!!! This is were I stay and this is where I want to be.

this is where people are the least bias, unlike other forums.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

For the RECORD, I am not a member of PACLAND or any other forums. I am loyal to SADDOBOXING ONLY!!!! This is were I stay and this is where I want to be.

this is where people are the least bias, unlike other forums.

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Same with me. I hardly read other forums. For 2007, I may have read other forums just twice. I think it was Pacland and EAstSide Boxing. After that, never visited them anymore. I may not visit Pacland anymore coz the people there are so bias.;D

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Same with me. I hardly read other forums. For 2007, I may have read other forums just twice. I think it was Pacland and EAstSide Boxing. After that, never visited them anymore. I may not visit Pacland anymore coz the people there are so bias.;D

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The reason there are too many biased opinions in that site is because it's a FAN BASED FORUM. You will find the same situation over at Morales, Barrera, or Marquez's website.

I only go there for Manny Pacquiao news updates.

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