Just rewatched Pacquaio-JMM 1

[Mad_Dog]

Pac was left hand happy back then against JMM. Morales benifited from that fight and defeated Pac. EM used Pac-JMM blueprint.

I noticed JMM's reflex was starting to slow down a bit against Jaca. He won that fight by KO btw, I gotta give him that. His punching power has deteriorated and have been brawling more lately. His fights with MAB and Juarez are very indicative of that.

I agree with you 100%, after those fights I was commenting that Marquez seemed to have lost a step. A prime JMM was as good as PAC, this JMM will get massacred.

[Julius Rain]

I agree with you 100%, after those fights I was commenting that Marquez seemed to have lost a step. A prime JMM was as good as PAC, this JMM will get massacred.

pac may have not finish jmm in the first fight but pac ruined jmm. Jmm was never the same after the first fight now he'll put an end to jmm this time around.

[El Gamo]

I'm sticking with my decision,Manny via points. Anyone wants to Rep or Sig bet,you know where I am.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Yes he kd jmm three times, yes jmm came back to win most of the rounds after that and yes many though jmm won the fight (jmm fan ofcourse). Everything you said has already been thought about and heard of, what was it that was suppose to be especial for us to think about? how can we be sure pac can finish jmm off this time around?

well if you know boxing, everything points to jmm getting stop.

The first fight was jmms best performance, and it only got him a draw. If you want to talk technically, you can ask the judge that mis-scored it. He apologize for his mistake. He admit pac should of won sd. although jmm put up a great fight he didn't win that fight. Pac won enough to still win. It was a hill jmm just couldn't climb.

Another big factor, pac was one demensional then. Since you don't agree pac wasn't prime then. Well do you think pac is still one demensional now?

Keep it coming, I like replying to you more than addicted to boxing cause you seem like you have a bit more sense then that retard.

Julius, sure Pac is no longer 1 demensional but I would hardly say that Pac is sound enough to be considered a ring tecnician. I also feel that JMM is a shade of what he used to be. Which adds to his legacy of beating old warriors. Add todays JD outcome and now I can see Pac and his followers calling out Juan. From what I saw today, Pac could whup him, providing JD comes to the fight as poorly conditoned / focused as he was today. His cornermen were complete amateurs. So if Pac rattled him early I see him buckling. Nate exposed him as many said he would. Lets get this straight, I do not hate Pac! I hate the level of competition he has faced and attained fame in doing so. I just want to see him see him fight young hungry bucks and afford them the opportunity he was given by MAB. Sure MAB & EM sound good on paper but everyone knows boxers well into their 30's are not what they once were. I just wanna see Pac against Soto, Valero, and Guzman. Clean house and then jump up in weight. Beating old and worn EM, MAB and a 34 year old JMM just does not seal the envelope.

[Addicted to_boxing]

addicted to boxing, that should be enough fact for you. Ice is one of the most accurate and detail poster around even though his still a young pup like me. Ice knows a lot about boxing and what goes around boxing. His not a pac fan by the way, but he'll tell you the truth. That there is not any bias statement. That came from a nuetral guy cause his a fan of jmm more so then of pac.

Let it be known JMM never avoided the rematch it was a case of him not being comfortable with the economics of the rematch.


http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=12962

The champion should get the bigger share. the one with the belt should get more money. I know Pac is the draw, but the challenger does not face the opponents mandates that a Champion does. Boxers buy into this method and pay fees to the governing bodies for this structure or lose their belts. Come on what kind of idiot what have accepted $750,000 for a brutal rematch with Pac ? JMM asked for 1.5 million (in my opinion a fair asking price) Epecially with a new deal that will make him more than 3 times that total and perhaps more based on projected PPV totals.

[josef4334]

Rafas the better puncher of the two and Juan the better boxer IMO . He'll need to get back to his sweet boxing to beat Pac but Pacs gonn aget back his his assertive best if he wanst to shake up Marquez cuz I dont think he can do it with boxing skill

youre right about that my friend. also i want to add that both marquez brothers have weak chins.. thats something you could never train for.

[brucelee]

This fight is really becoming interesting.


In truth, I gave Marquez a chance of winning this fight. Pacquaio cannot afford not to be serious on this one.


I just can't believe what addicted to boxing is claiming..... that Marquez is too old to win this one. He has continuously accused Pacquaio of fighting an old fighter again as if telling to the world that this fight is a sure victory for Pacquaio.

So i'd like to ask him if he knows any boxer in the superfeatherweight who is as good as (or as exciting as) Marquez right now.

Definitely, PAcquaio wants to fight Valero or Guzman. However, it was Valero himself who was hesitant to fight Pacquaio after Pacquaio KOed Morales in their 2nd and 3rd fight. Same with Guzman who stopped calling on Pacquaio after those fights.

You know the reason addicted to boxing why these "young fighters" that you mentioned are not fighting Pacquaio? Valero said that he is still not ready for Pacquaio.Guzman stopped taunting PAcquaio after he was unable to deliver a KO in his fight with Soto. These fighters knew that to fight Pacquaio now will be too risky for them.

So please stop making accusations as if you know anything in boxing.

We are giving you bad reps coz you claim to know about boxing and you make accusations against a fighter though you don't know anything about the issue.

Posters like ICB can tell you that Pacquaio wanted to fight Marquez after their first fight but Marquez opted to fight Chris John. Claiming that Pacquaio waited to fight Marquez for four years so that he will be assured of victory is clearly a statement of your disrespect to a fighter who, in one way or another, has made this sport very exciting for most of us.

You deserved to be given bad reps every day if you continue to disrespect fighters..... and I'm calling on all decent posters to give you bad reps if you continue what you are doing to remind you that this is a respectable forum. Posters like you need to be disciplined as all of us have been.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Get it right my friend my issue is with you !!!!

[brucelee]

Get it right my friend my issue is with you !!!!

when you talk nonsense, your issue is with the forum and all the true boxing fans in here.

[Addicted to_boxing]

This fight is really becoming interesting.


In truth, I gave Marquez a chance of winning this fight. Pacquaio cannot afford not to be serious on this one.


I just can't believe what addicted to boxing is claiming..... that Marquez is too old to win this one. He has continuously accused Pacquaio of fighting an old fighter again as if telling to the world that this fight is a sure victory for Pacquaio.

So i'd like to ask him if he knows any boxer in the superfeatherweight who is as good as (or as exciting as) Marquez right now.

Definitely, PAcquaio wants to fight Valero or Guzman. However, it was Valero himself who was hesitant to fight Pacquaio after Pacquaio KOed Morales in their 2nd and 3rd fight. Same with Guzman who stopped calling on Pacquaio after those fights.

You know the reason addicted to boxing why these "young fighters" that you mentioned are not fighting Pacquaio? Valero said that he is still not ready for Pacquaio.Guzman stopped taunting PAcquaio after he was unable to deliver a KO in his fight with Soto. These fighters knew that to fight Pacquaio now with be too risky for them.

So please stop making accusations as if you know anything in boxing.

We are giving you bad reps coz you claim to know about boxing and you make accusations against a fighter though you don't know anything about the issue.

Posters like ICB can tell you that Pacquaio wanted to fight Marquez after their first fight but Marquez opted to fight Chris John. Claiming that Pacquaio waited to fight Marquez for four years so that he will be assured of victory is clearly a statement of your disrespect to a fighter who, in one way or another, has made this sport very exciting for most of us.

You deserved to be given bad reps every day if you continue to disrespect fighters..... and I'm calling on all decent posters to give you bad reps if you continue what you are doing to remind you that this is a respectable forum. Posters like you need to be disciplined as all of us have been.

I'm calling on all decent posters (meaning PAC fans, what a joke) is that your Pinoy siren sounding off ... whew whew whew whew ""Come on fellas this guy is not into our Pac"". So gay ...... I may disrespect you, but I do not disrespect Pac ! I just do not hold him in as high esteem as you and it busts your balls , eats your lunch, turns your stomach to hear anything negative about your Daddy ! To add to matters then you refer comments by other Pac huggers to validate your comments what a joke. The difference is that the JMM fans are operating in shut mouth mode, but come next week if Pac loses it will be a riot in here. They obviously are unsure of their man. Now tell me what role did ICB play in the rematch negotiations that validates what he says beside agreeing with you? It is Ok for you Pac huggers to disrespect all of Pacs present and future opponents and not give them any chance of winning and it is also disrespectful / cowardly to penalize posters with rebuttals to to your opinions.

To the contrary I enter this forum when I have time and it is you huggers that get under my skin thus my replies. I do not disappear after fights as you mentioned in your post, though your wishful thinking is coming across in text. FYI you do not own this forum !!!!


all others are a descredit to boxing. You are joke ...

[Addicted to_boxing]

youre right about that my friend. also i want to add that both marquez brothers have weak chins.. thats something you could never train for.

Weak chins ....... being knocked down / out by Pac and Vasquez does not constitute a weak chin most fighters have gone down by these two mule punching fighters. Also Rafa is not geared to fight at that weight as it is Vasquez's natural weight. So Jose back up your comments please ..... por favor, no hablas de tu culo !

[Addicted to_boxing]

when you talk nonsense, your issue is with the forum and all the true boxing fans in here.

Really, I have not read any forum replies except from you trio of huggers.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Still 3rd party hear say !!!

[brucelee]

I'm calling on all decent posters (meaning PAC fans, what a joke) is that your Pinoy siren sounding off ... whew whew whew whew ""Come on fellas this guy is not into our Pac"".
So gay ...... I may disrespect you, but I do not disrespect Pac ! I just do not hold him in as high esteem as you and it busts your balls , eats your lunch, turns your stomach to hear anything negative about your Daddy ! To add to matters then you refer comment by other Pac huggers to validate your comments what a joke. The difference that the JMM fans are operating in shut mouth mode but come next week if Pac loses it will be a riot in here. They obviously are unsure of their man. Now tell me what role did ICB play in the rematch negotiations that validates what he says beside agreeing with you? It is ok for you Pac huggers to disrespect all of Pacs present and future opponents and not give them any chance of winning and it is also disrespectful / cowardly to penalize posters with rebuttals to to your opinions. To the contrary I enter this forum when I have time and it is you huggers that get under my skin thus my replies. I do not disappear after fights as you mentioned in your post, though you wishful thinking is coming across in text. FYI you do not own this forum !!!!


all others are a descredit to boxing. You are joke ...

Who are you calling Pachuggers? JuliusRain is definitely not. He placed his bet on MAB against PAcquaio. Read PAcstraightleft's posts and you will know that he is simply a boxing fan. AS for me, you can call me the number one fan of PAcquaio for now but I will definitely say bad things about him if he's not doing things a boxer should do before a fight.

I did not say that the opponents of PAc don't have a chance of winning against him. At this point in time, I just know that his opponents would have a hard time winning against him. Be it young or old. If MArquez wins over PAcquaio, be assured that I will respect that. FYI, I am also a fan of MArquez. My instinct just tells me that it is more likely that Pacquaio will win this one but he will win it with much much more difficulty than his previous fights.


When you say that Marquez will surely lose this fight...... that's what I mean by disrespect.


By the way, I do not claim infallibility in my bets unlike you.



LAstly, am sure you are a Pac-hater based on your posts...... that you can not refute

[Addicted to_boxing]

I'm calling on all decent posters (meaning PAC fans, what a joke) is that your Pinoy siren sounding off ... whew whew whew whew ""Come on fellas this guy is not into our Pac"". So gay ...... I may disrespect you, but I do not disrespect Pac ! I just do not hold him in as high esteem as you and it busts your balls , eats your lunch, turns your stomach to hear anything negative about your Daddy ! To add to matters then you refer comments by other Pac huggers to validate your comments what a joke. The difference is that the JMM fans are operating in shut mouth mode, but come next week if Pac loses it will be a riot in here. They obviously are unsure of their man. Now tell me what role did ICB play in the rematch negotiations that validates what he says beside agreeing with you? It is Ok for you Pac huggers to disrespect all of Pacs present and future opponents and not give them any chance of winning and it is also disrespectful / cowardly to penalize posters with rebuttals to to your opinions.

To the contrary I enter this forum when I have time and it is you huggers that get under my skin thus my replies. I do not disappear after fights as you mentioned in your post, though your wishful thinking is coming across in text. FYI you do not own this forum !!!!


all others are a descredit to boxing. You are joke ...

Oh wait .... you need ICB to validate your comment and make it official .... When does your stand up gig end BruceJester ?