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Look, don't kid yourself (oh the irony), no-one thinks you're Don King or Frank Warren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
We know you deal in chump change.
We know the reality of pro boxing.
It's why many of us are DISGUSTED by a so-called boxing man, from the "buis," wishing DEATH on fighters. You will never get off the bottom of the barrel with that attitude, son ;)
'will fight for change'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Actually $1k for a womans bout is not bad, it's still considered a novelty in many parts.
Got to be crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWell I hope your backing your wife. Seriously mate no matter what gets said on here I appreciate it's what you do so I hope you get the win man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyBro,honest injun,when your sending one of your own fighters in,your allready wound up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
For Lubaczewski/Rivas it all comes down to who fights more in guard,and who is more in control,this fight comes right down to who keeps their hands in guard while they work.They both hit hard,Lubaczewski probably hits harder,Rivas is probably faster,but is way sloppier about it..
I know who Im betting on,especially with a hand picked corner,but if it was garunteed they wouldnt bother to have the fight.
If you honestly think that Rivas is "sloppy" then you have no clue as to what her training regiment is like. That's not even an educated guess.
Assuming this one of her "people"Quote:
Originally Posted by THE SHADOWDRAGONGot to be crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWell I hope your backing your wife. Seriously mate no matter what gets said on here I appreciate it's what you do so I hope you get the win man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
If you honestly think that Rivas is "sloppy" then you have no clue as to what her training regiment is like. That's not even an educated guess.
Yes she is sloppy,she constantly puts her knees past her center of balance,and her jab moves slower then most glaciers.
She does have a very nice cross,but she refuses to set it up right,and Im more then willing to share those pieces of information,because I know there's no way in hell you can fix it between now and tomorrow night;D
But please try,Id like her to also be confused and forgetting whats she's supposed to do tomorrow,because thats what happens when you try to graft something on to a fighter last minute.
And if this isnt one of her people,I didnt say she wasnt in shape,because she allways shows up in full trim,she's just a sloppy fighter.I dont even need the phone call from the weigh in to know Lorrissa is in shape.And Im sure Lorrissa's other people who arent in Trinidad know Leslie is in shape and in trim,Im sure theyve heard by now.
Whats really funny is,Lorrissa's people didnt check,and didnt know Leslie was taller then Lorrissa before they signed the contract. I had checked film and checked stats on Lorrissa before I even called back to accept the fight.
Winner of this fight might as well be settled by a coin toss. They have combined to be knocked out every time but once, and only once has either made it to round 2. Also TM your mentioning that they should not have taken the fight because your wife is 2 inches taller is laughable. Fights would never get done if height or reach was a primary factor in the outcome. Good luck to you and your fighter and enjoy Trinidad, but realize the winner of this fight is not the next Ann Wolfe or anything.
Does anyone have a good link to the PPV?
Lorissa won by a 3rd round tko. blood was everywhere. video link was very clear
can u post the fight link in my pm box
Apparntly it was a ref stoppage,there was alot of blood,but they beat the hell out of each other
no just a lot of blood from Leslie. I will upload the commentators audio to you tube later tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
it was a live stream. so I couldn't record the video. I do have an audio grabber program so I was only able to record the audioQuote:
Originally Posted by kid_thunder
both fighters showed a lot of respect afterwards. very classy
Just talked to her,she's fine.
She out thought herself,her nose almost allways bleeds a bit,so she thought she'd look all bad ass and snort it out on to the ring.
Problem is they watch that twice as close with female fights then male fights
So by trying to be tough,she scared the ref in to stopping it.
And she has nothing but respect for Lorissa,she fought a good fight
Apparantly I didnt stress enough to her corner people,that she allways gets a nose bleed,in the ring.And thats no big deal it allways happens,we just know to expect it.
They panicked and threw in the towel thinking she was hurt
Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all
You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
Im not belittling shit,if it had continued,Leslie knew she would have had to really hurt LorissaQuote:
Originally Posted by stallion1You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
Dude,she got her wraps cut,called me,watched the last fight,and went to dinner.
She was not exactly hurt.
And actually your the one doing the belittling.
If thats what you need to believe for your ethnic pride,seriously break it to you,she was up and on a plane and not even sore this morning.
I know your probably happier then hell,Trinidad ref,I had to hire a Trinidad corner,against a girl of Trinidad heritage,on a night dedicated to the best female fighter Trinidad ever produced,but sorry son,she wasnt hurt one iota.She allways bleeds from the nose.
It was a DQ because of the Trinidad corner I hired breaking the cardinal rule,you cant go in to the ring during the round.And they did.
We'd love a rematch,Lorissa fought very well,and did a good job,but not nearly as good of one as your trying to sell.
Now if you want the honest assesment of what happened,it was relatively even except for the knockdown,but Leslie is PO'ed at herself for not slipping well enough during the fight.Lorissa wasnt hurting her,but she was scoring.She was hurting Lorissa but not able to put her down.
If it had gone the full 4 I know the cards would have been skewed,but she was still in it to win it when her corner screwed up and got in to the ring mid-round.
This for me is the key thing. I am willing to bet leslie it tough as nails. I'm willing to be she has nothing but passion for what she does and a HUGE heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by stallion1You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
Knock-downs worry me though. Knock downs are not just having a bleedy nose which could be valid but something else has happened mentally.
Unless the canvas is slippery in one spot or you step on your opponents foot and they pull it away even slippages worry me because it would infer you are unstead on your feet more so than usual due to a blow/blows recieved.
I've only come close to being knocked down once in the ring where my legs felt a bit wobbly and the fact that happened doesn't seem safe in itself to me.
I instinctively feel there is a limit to the amount of punishment I want to allow my brain to be subjected to and that is part of my reason for no longer searching for a new boxing trainer.
I am honest with myself about how many more blows it would take to my brain for me to learn the lessons I would need to get further and weighing it up I doubt it is really worth it.
If she has the heart and the passion and she's working towards a long term goal why should we watch her be knocked down multiple times now?
Maybe if she didn't get stopped - who knows - perhaps the result would be different but is it really worth the risk of what she might be giving up?
Why fight the refs decision when it may mean the difference between coming back another day to fight brilliantly without permanent brain injury or not? No win is worth it in my opinion. Good on them for stopping it!
The other thing I'm thinking of if Leslie really did feel unhurt is time to consider how past experiences and the pressure of competition may have programmed her to fall.
I once knew a trainer in Japan who had a fighter who was knocked down in a fight. In the gym it would never happen and he would have some rough sparring sessions.
He'd heard so much negativity from people about the times he'd been knocked out in competition he was 'brain washed' and even the smallest punch knocked him down in competition.
The coach took him out of competition for a while, built up his confidence again and it no longer happened.
To be honest i understand part of the reason people get fighters in to compete is because they've heard of them but I really think writing endless threads about her and building things up must just put extra pressure on her she doesn't really need at this stage.
Perhaps it's best to allow her bouts to be personal goals and more private journey's until afterwards so she doesn't have to deal with all the hype in the lead up and can just focus. Just report on the result rather than raving on about it in advance It seems like a circus to me and I know I'd HATE it!
There was only one flash,he's just trying to build a case,and that was 2 allmost full rounds before the corner got in the ring to try and retrieve the towel.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaThis for me is the key thing. I am willing to bet leslie it tough as nails. I'm willing to be she has nothing but passion for what she does and a HUGE heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by stallion1You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
Knock-downs worry me though. Knock downs are not just having a bleedy nose which could be valid but something else has happened mentally.
Unless the canvas is slippery in one spot or you step on your opponents foot and they pull it away even slippages worry me because it would infer you are unstead on your feet more so than usual due to a blow/blows recieved.
I've only come close to being knocked down once in the ring where my legs felt a bit wobbly and the fact that happened doesn't seem safe in itself to me.
I instinctively feel there is a limit to the amount of punishment I want to allow my brain to be subjected to and that is part of my reason for no longer searching for a new boxing trainer.
I am honest with myself about how many more blows it would take to my brain for me to learn the lessons I would need to get further and weighing it up I doubt it is really worth it.
If she has the heart and the passion and she's working towards a long term goal why should we watch her be knocked down multiple times now?
Maybe if she didn't get stopped - who knows - perhaps the result would be different but is it really worth the risk of what she might be giving up?
Why fight the refs decision when it may mean the difference between coming back another day to fight brilliantly without permanent brain injury or not? No win is worth it in my opinion. Good on them for stopping it!
The other thing I'm thinking of if Leslie really did feel unhurt is time to consider how past experiences and the pressure of competition may have programmed her to fall.
I once knew a trainer in Japan who had a fighter who was knocked down in a fight. In the gym it would never happen and he would have some rough sparring sessions.
He'd heard so much negativity from people about the times he'd been knocked out in competition he was 'brain washed' and even the smallest punch knocked him down in competition.
The coach took him out of competition for a while, built up his confidence again and it no longer happened.
To be honest i understand part of the reason people get fighters in to compete is because they've heard of them but I really think writing endless threads about her and building things up must just put extra pressure on her she doesn't really need at this stage.
Perhaps it's best to allow her bouts to be personal goals and more private journey's until afterwards so she doesn't have to deal with all the hype in the lead up and can just focus. Just report on the result rather than raving on about it in advance It seems like a circus to me and I know I'd HATE it!
She was up bright and early this morning got on a plane to Miami,then got on another to Raligh Durham and then is driving herself 4 hours home.
Not exactly in mortal peril,actually not exactly hurt at all,she isnt even all that sore.
I would like to get word on how Lorissa is,from what Ive heard,she was a little worse for wear,and Id like to get word she's allright
Did TM make another account, "tilt a whirl" for some reason?
Explained again,Mozilla Fire Fox decided to stop working on my computer(no I dont know why),as did ExciteQuote:
Originally Posted by RP33
My auto log in bookmark was on Mozilla,and my password was saved in my Excite e-mail box,so I had to create a new acount to get back on the board using a different email adress.
Im sure I wouldnt be able to create another Trainer Monkey account,because Im sure it would have come back "User name is allready taken" when I tried to set it up,so I just put up the first thing I could think of.
And Im very sure I cant remember for the life of me,what my password was for the TM account
did they find their corners licence in a chocolate egg by any chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
Was it not Barrera's corner? They're always entering the ring uninvited ;D
You'd f-ing wonderQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missydid they find their corners licence in a chocolate egg by any chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
Im not saying nothing,but it was a curious piece of hapenstance that every Trinidad girl on the entire card won,and often by what you might call interesting fashion.
Another fun thing,none of the American girls hotel reservations were right,they all had to be fixed by the poor matchmaker down there after the girls were allready in.
So all the girls were supposed to have nice rez's at a good hotel,they all flew in and found out,"No you dont"
Leslie was sent to a bed and breakfast, as an aside,thank you very much for finding that place Diana,she liked it. We will gleefully work with you again.You did everything you could to fix a bad situation
The promoter,not so much
So Leslie was knocked down with her nose busted and claret all over her face.
The local T&T corner threw the towel in. They then entered the ring. Leslie lost by DQ instead of TKO.
err.. what's the problem?
Are you, TM, saying the corner got Leslie DQ'd on purpose?
She wasnt hurt at the time,the headliner on the same card just threw up her hands and said "To hell with this"and did a "No mas"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Read in to it anything you like.
By the way,you know they bet on fights alot down there right?
They bet on fights all over the world. What's your point? That the corner betted on a DQ?
If your wife was knocked down with blood all over her face, believe it or not, it's understandable a corner trying to save a fighter from further punishment.
I wish I was a gambling man, I'd have made money.
Yep you would have,all the Trinidad girls had miraculous wins on a night dedicated to Jizelle SalandyQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Its almost like somebody was writing a script or something
Is Lorrisa from T&T?
Even if the fights werent blatantly fixed I would have been in with a decent shout.
or picked a load of crap fighters for them to beat up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A WhirlYep you would have,all the Trinidad girls had miraculous wins on a night dedicated to Jizelle SalandyQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Its almost like somebody was writing a script or something
Wow. It could have just been this easy...'good fight, both fighters gave their all. my wife got a bloody nose and they stopped it. Real proud of her.' but of course not.
It not only tries to tarnish the opponents effort, but the whole show and all of Trinidad, and whether you realize it or not, you somehow manage to even sully your wifes experience like this. It's just freakin sad.
Tell your wife congrats on the fight from me and I'm sure others feel the same. Was probably a good experience for her. Goddam shame you want to ruin it with your usual and insane ramblings.
And please dont get me wrong,Lorissa fought well,she did way better then we expected,so I dont want me not liking that the whole card didnt pass the sniff test,taking away one iota from Rivas's performance.Both girls came to bring it.
We have nothing but respect for Lorissa and would love to have a rematch on neutral ground.
Cheryl Bontz on the other hand,we really dont want a rematch with,we could live without that,Cheryl hits really hard;D
Im not really kidding on that,as bad as Lorissa and Leslie whomped on each other,Leslie and Cheryl was way worse,they both walked out of that fight legit hurting.
How longs the supension this time?
Is she going to carry on fighting?
I just seen a picture of Lorissa Rivas, and all I can say is DAAAAAAAAAYYYYYUUUUMMMM, she is sayin alot for a woman who gets punched in the face for a living :lickish:
Son,Im the sanest person you'll ever meet in this buisnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
Maybe you should take up chartered acounting or something
You dont like that the sport can get dirty and underhanded,well go to college for something that is a little cleaner. Because in the really real world of boxing,not the 14 year old ammie world of boxing,you spend all day trying to figure out how your about to get screwed,not if your going to get screwed,because thats a given.
You dont like it,take up knitting,because otherwise your in the wrong line of work.
No you are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
You are the most unbalanced person I think I have ever seen. Period. Sir.
Welcome to the world of boxing sahibQuote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodNo you are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
You are the most unbalanced person I think I have ever seen. Period. Sir.
You dont shit about my fighters,you can gleefully expect no shit back.
You dont thump me in the chest,no thumps will be coming your way.
You let somebody do that to you and yours,the pirhanas in the tank will pick your bones clean.
Learn the score,before you talk about the score little man,or your ass is going to be 1-20 before you know it in the pro's
Again,those are the rules buddy boy,and if you dont like them,maybe crotcheing would better suit your tender sensibilities
Well all I can say is if Youngblood ends up going 1-20 in the pro's it will be taken as a given that his one win will be over a TM trained fighter :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A WhirlWelcome to the world of boxing sahibQuote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodNo you are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl
You are the most unbalanced person I think I have ever seen. Period. Sir.
You dont shit about my fighters,you can gleefully expect no shit back.
You dont thump me in the chest,no thumps will be coming your way.
You let somebody do that to you and yours,the pirhanas in the tank will pick your bones clean.
Learn the score,before you talk about the score little man,or your ass is going to be 1-20 before you know it in the pro's
Again,those are the rules buddy boy,and if you dont like them,maybe crotcheing would better suit your tender sensibilities
You really are bordering on nuts TM, sounds like your wife gave a brave effort and we all respect her for her courage but seriously at 0-4 with 4 knockout losses she clearly isn't meant to be earning a living in the pro game, a case we could just as easily make for you too.
Give up the sport mate, take up greyhound racing or something, it's embarrassing to be going on the way you do and then to perform as badly as you do.
Talking about this Larissa girl with a 1-1 record saying she's the greatest female fighter Trinidad ever produced is just nuts talk, the rantings of a delusional person.
Your wife can't box, you can't train, these empirical facts have been confirmed in every fight you take part in.
I'm sure if Ice was still here he could do an internet search for us to prove that statistically your stable is the least successful in all of boxing.
I don't say this to be mean, I just think you should all take up another hobby. Concentrate on climbing mountains, caving etc or reform your punk band because in boxing you're beyond even being a comedy act, it's just sad.