Premier League 2009-2010 prediction thread!!

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Lol. No. Just no.

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Any chance of your lot letting the odd fringe player go out on loan?

benjani could do a job for us i suspect and we desperately need someone to partner cole up top

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Lol trust me you don't want Benjani. He is awful.

We've let Jo, Bojinov and Caicedo go on loan and we've released Vassell and sold Evans. Hopefully Benjani will be next.

Bit of good news for LeftyLee though.

We're very likely to walk away from the Lescott deal. It was a near certainty to go through once Everton had found a suitable replacement. This hasn't happened. Basically Everton are playing hardball over the fee - which was actually agreed (don't know what it was)and City are ready to call their bluff and walk away. This will probably break in the next few days (in the media), unless Everton do a massive u-turn or Joleon puts in a transfer request. Cue Lefty saying ' i knew we'd never sell him' ;D

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news coming out from us is that your lot and villa have made bids for upson who was worryingly left out of our team today and your also in for neill

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Any chance of your lot letting the odd fringe player go out on loan?

benjani could do a job for us i suspect and we desperately need someone to partner cole up top

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Lol trust me you don't want Benjani. He is awful.

We've let Jo, Bojinov and Caicedo go on loan and we've released Vassell and sold Evans. Hopefully Benjani will be next.

Bit of good news for LeftyLee though.

We're very likely to walk away from the Lescott deal. It was a near certainty to go through once Everton had found a suitable replacement. This hasn't happened. Basically Everton are playing hardball over the fee - which was actually agreed (don't know what it was)and City are ready to call their bluff and walk away. This will probably break in the next few days (in the media), unless Everton do a massive u-turn or Joleon puts in a transfer request. Cue Lefty saying ' i knew we'd never sell him' ;D

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news coming out from us is that your lot and villa have made bids for upson who was worryingly left out of our team today and your also in for neill

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We're not in for either of them mate. We might go for Upson at some point but only as a last resort - too bad because i rate him aswell.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by ono

Lol. No. Just no.

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Any chance of your lot letting the odd fringe player go out on loan?

benjani could do a job for us i suspect and we desperately need someone to partner cole up top

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Lol trust me you don't want Benjani. He is awful.

We've let Jo, Bojinov and Caicedo go on loan and we've released Vassell and sold Evans. Hopefully Benjani will be next.

Bit of good news for LeftyLee though.

We're very likely to walk away from the Lescott deal. It was a near certainty to go through once Everton had found a suitable replacement. This hasn't happened. Basically Everton are playing hardball over the fee - which was actually agreed (don't know what it was)and City are ready to call their bluff and walk away. This will probably break in the next few days (in the media), unless Everton do a massive u-turn or Joleon puts in a transfer request. Cue Lefty saying ' i knew we'd never sell him' ;D

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This could happen in the next few days. I was speaking to my mate last night and he reckons Lescott might force Everton's hand here. The rumours of us going for Bassong are total bull. They were fed out to the Manchester Evening News along with a statement from Hughes saying we will move on to other targets if others don't materialise (lescott). My mate's heard this has forced Lescott's hand, cue Moyes rant in the papers this morning. Lescott has been left out of the Everton squad for today's friendly with an 'injury' so what looked like a dead - duck, could now be back on.

We're also trying to close a deal with Fabian Delph from Leeds. Not sure what i think of either of them to be honest, The price for Lescott is going to be £20m which is way too much. Half hoping it doesn't happen, but we desperately need a left footed centre half. Would rather us go for Upson but for some reason we aren't.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Any chance of your lot letting the odd fringe player go out on loan?

benjani could do a job for us i suspect and we desperately need someone to partner cole up top

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Lol trust me you don't want Benjani. He is awful.

We've let Jo, Bojinov and Caicedo go on loan and we've released Vassell and sold Evans. Hopefully Benjani will be next.

Bit of good news for LeftyLee though.

We're very likely to walk away from the Lescott deal. It was a near certainty to go through once Everton had found a suitable replacement. This hasn't happened. Basically Everton are playing hardball over the fee - which was actually agreed (don't know what it was)and City are ready to call their bluff and walk away. This will probably break in the next few days (in the media), unless Everton do a massive u-turn or Joleon puts in a transfer request. Cue Lefty saying ' i knew we'd never sell him' ;D

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This could happen in the next few days. I was speaking to my mate last night and he reckons Lescott might force Everton's hand here. The rumours of us going for Bassong are total bull. They were fed out to the Manchester Evening News along with a statement from Hughes saying we will move on to other targets if others don't materialise (lescott). My mate's heard this has forced Lescott's hand, cue Moyes rant in the papers this morning. Lescott has been left out of the Everton squad for today's friendly with an 'injury' so what looked like a dead - duck, could now be back on.

We're also trying to close a deal with Fabian Delph from Leeds. Not sure what i think of either of them to be honest, The price for Lescott is going to be £20m which is way too much. Half hoping it doesn't happen, but we desperately need a left footed centre half. Would rather us go for Upson but for some reason we aren't.

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Delph needs his head testing if he thinks joining City would be a good idea, might be lucky to play 10 games and that will be in the carling cup.

Hughes has a huge job keeping these players happy.

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Lol trust me you don't want Benjani. He is awful.

We've let Jo, Bojinov and Caicedo go on loan and we've released Vassell and sold Evans. Hopefully Benjani will be next.

Bit of good news for LeftyLee though.

We're very likely to walk away from the Lescott deal. It was a near certainty to go through once Everton had found a suitable replacement. This hasn't happened. Basically Everton are playing hardball over the fee - which was actually agreed (don't know what it was)and City are ready to call their bluff and walk away. This will probably break in the next few days (in the media), unless Everton do a massive u-turn or Joleon puts in a transfer request. Cue Lefty saying ' i knew we'd never sell him' ;D

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This could happen in the next few days. I was speaking to my mate last night and he reckons Lescott might force Everton's hand here. The rumours of us going for Bassong are total bull. They were fed out to the Manchester Evening News along with a statement from Hughes saying we will move on to other targets if others don't materialise (lescott). My mate's heard this has forced Lescott's hand, cue Moyes rant in the papers this morning. Lescott has been left out of the Everton squad for today's friendly with an 'injury' so what looked like a dead - duck, could now be back on.

We're also trying to close a deal with Fabian Delph from Leeds. Not sure what i think of either of them to be honest, The price for Lescott is going to be £20m which is way too much. Half hoping it doesn't happen, but we desperately need a left footed centre half. Would rather us go for Upson but for some reason we aren't.

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Delph needs his head testing if he thinks joining City would be a good idea, might be lucky to play 10 games and that will be in the carling cup.

Hughes has a huge job keeping these players happy.

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Lol we won't last that long in the Carling Cup.

Leeds are trying to sort a deal out so he stays there on loan but at the minute we're not keen oon that idea. As big as the squad is we are a little bit light in the centre of midfield - if we get a few injuries.

It's in the Daily Mail today about Lescott handing in a transfer request. Read it and weep Lefty! ;D

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This could happen in the next few days. I was speaking to my mate last night and he reckons Lescott might force Everton's hand here. The rumours of us going for Bassong are total bull. They were fed out to the Manchester Evening News along with a statement from Hughes saying we will move on to other targets if others don't materialise (lescott). My mate's heard this has forced Lescott's hand, cue Moyes rant in the papers this morning. Lescott has been left out of the Everton squad for today's friendly with an 'injury' so what looked like a dead - duck, could now be back on.

We're also trying to close a deal with Fabian Delph from Leeds. Not sure what i think of either of them to be honest, The price for Lescott is going to be £20m which is way too much. Half hoping it doesn't happen, but we desperately need a left footed centre half. Would rather us go for Upson but for some reason we aren't.

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Delph needs his head testing if he thinks joining City would be a good idea, might be lucky to play 10 games and that will be in the carling cup.

Hughes has a huge job keeping these players happy.

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Lol we won't last that long in the Carling Cup.

Leeds are trying to sort a deal out so he stays there on loan but at the minute we're not keen oon that idea. As big as the squad is we are a little bit light in the centre of midfield - if we get a few injuries.

It's in the Daily Mail today about Lescott handing in a transfer request. Read it and weep Lefty! ;D

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Delph is going to Villa, good choice if you ask me.

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Delph needs his head testing if he thinks joining City would be a good idea, might be lucky to play 10 games and that will be in the carling cup.

Hughes has a huge job keeping these players happy.

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Lol we won't last that long in the Carling Cup.

Leeds are trying to sort a deal out so he stays there on loan but at the minute we're not keen oon that idea. As big as the squad is we are a little bit light in the centre of midfield - if we get a few injuries.

It's in the Daily Mail today about Lescott handing in a transfer request. Read it and weep Lefty! ;D

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Delph is going to Villa, good choice if you ask me.

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Good career choice.

Really fucking weird. We had a bid accepted but then asked Leeds' permission to think about it for a week. I don't get the point in that.

Shame because he has some potential but he'll get more action at Villa so good luck to him.

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Lol we won't last that long in the Carling Cup.

Leeds are trying to sort a deal out so he stays there on loan but at the minute we're not keen oon that idea. As big as the squad is we are a little bit light in the centre of midfield - if we get a few injuries.

It's in the Daily Mail today about Lescott handing in a transfer request. Read it and weep Lefty! ;D

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Delph is going to Villa, good choice if you ask me.

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Good career choice.

Really fucking weird. We had a bid accepted but then asked Leeds' permission to think about it for a week. I don't get the point in that.

Shame because he has some potential but he'll get more action at Villa so good luck to him.

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seen delph a few times and he looks a good prospect

No doubt he`ll end up playing for a much bigger club than villa and they`ll make a nice little earner off of him. Do think its a bit early for people to be classing him as a potential superstar.

Wilshire at arsenal is world class for his age. But that wont mean sod all if he doesnt improve his game every single season and just stagnates into a trick pony ala:joe cole.

Remember seeing joey as a 16 year old running rings around every single player on the pitch and people around were claiming he would be the next george best. Never quite worked out for joe because he got too much too early and didnt push on like he should of done.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Delph is going to Villa, good choice if you ask me.

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Good career choice.

Really fucking weird. We had a bid accepted but then asked Leeds' permission to think about it for a week. I don't get the point in that.

Shame because he has some potential but he'll get more action at Villa so good luck to him.

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seen delph a few times and he looks a good prospect

No doubt he`ll end up playing for a much bigger club than villa and they`ll make a nice little earner off of him. Do think its a bit early for people to be classing him as a potential superstar.

Wilshire at arsenal is world class for his age. But that wont mean sod all if he doesnt improve his game every single season and just stagnates into a trick pony ala:joe cole.

Remember seeing joey as a 16 year old running rings around every single player on the pitch and people around were claiming he would be the next george best. Never quite worked out for joe because he got too much too early and didnt push on like he should of done.

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I don't know, i think he looks real good because the standard of players around him isn't that high. Found out that Villa had a bid accepted, Leeds' had agreed to sell, we came in with an offer that matched it, Leeds wanted more (£4m more) and that's why we said we wanted to think about it - he's not worth £10m. Leeds rejected this in case we decided to simply pull out. Bates' made out in the press that we made a bid and then asked for time to think about it.

Moyes has told Lescott that any transfer request will be rejected and made public. This annoys me because Moyes went on a rant earlier in the week about conducting transfers properly and then Everton go and make the Lescott bid public, their Senderos bid public and no he's threatening to make Joleon's transfer request public. We're getting some serious shit form the press when we haven't made a single bid public.

Villa made the Barry story public, Barca made the Eto'o one public, Chelsea made the Terry one public and now Everton with the Lescott one. How are you supposed to conduct transfers these days?

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Good career choice.

Really fucking weird. We had a bid accepted but then asked Leeds' permission to think about it for a week. I don't get the point in that.

Shame because he has some potential but he'll get more action at Villa so good luck to him.

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seen delph a few times and he looks a good prospect

No doubt he`ll end up playing for a much bigger club than villa and they`ll make a nice little earner off of him. Do think its a bit early for people to be classing him as a potential superstar.

Wilshire at arsenal is world class for his age. But that wont mean sod all if he doesnt improve his game every single season and just stagnates into a trick pony ala:joe cole.

Remember seeing joey as a 16 year old running rings around every single player on the pitch and people around were claiming he would be the next george best. Never quite worked out for joe because he got too much too early and didnt push on like he should of done.

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I don't know, i think he looks real good because the standard of players around him isn't that high. Found out that Villa had a bid accepted, Leeds' had agreed to sell, we came in with an offer that matched it, Leeds wanted more (£4m more) and that's why we said we wanted to think about it - he's not worth £10m. Leeds rejected this in case we decided to simply pull out. Bates' made out in the press that we made a bid and then asked for time to think about it.

Moyes has told Lescott that any transfer request will be rejected and made public. This annoys me because Moyes went on a rant earlier in the week about conducting transfers properly and then Everton go and make the Lescott bid public, their Senderos bid public and no he's threatening to make Joleon's transfer request public. We're getting some serious shit form the press when we haven't made a single bid public.

Villa made the Barry story public, Barca made the Eto'o one public, Chelsea made the Terry one public and now Everton with the Lescott one. How are you supposed to conduct transfers these days?

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f*ck lescott, delph, eto.....are you in for upson, green, parker etc ;D;D;D

Jozy Altidore will be on loan to Hull this season...I hope he picks the flow of the game up fast!


Aquilani is coming to Liverpool...I am cautiously optimistic, he is very talented, but seems to be injured quite a bit

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seen delph a few times and he looks a good prospect

No doubt he`ll end up playing for a much bigger club than villa and they`ll make a nice little earner off of him. Do think its a bit early for people to be classing him as a potential superstar.

Wilshire at arsenal is world class for his age. But that wont mean sod all if he doesnt improve his game every single season and just stagnates into a trick pony ala:joe cole.

Remember seeing joey as a 16 year old running rings around every single player on the pitch and people around were claiming he would be the next george best. Never quite worked out for joe because he got too much too early and didnt push on like he should of done.

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I don't know, i think he looks real good because the standard of players around him isn't that high. Found out that Villa had a bid accepted, Leeds' had agreed to sell, we came in with an offer that matched it, Leeds wanted more (£4m more) and that's why we said we wanted to think about it - he's not worth £10m. Leeds rejected this in case we decided to simply pull out. Bates' made out in the press that we made a bid and then asked for time to think about it.

Moyes has told Lescott that any transfer request will be rejected and made public. This annoys me because Moyes went on a rant earlier in the week about conducting transfers properly and then Everton go and make the Lescott bid public, their Senderos bid public and no he's threatening to make Joleon's transfer request public. We're getting some serious shit form the press when we haven't made a single bid public.

Villa made the Barry story public, Barca made the Eto'o one public, Chelsea made the Terry one public and now Everton with the Lescott one. How are you supposed to conduct transfers these days?

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f*ck lescott, delph, eto.....are you in for upson, green, parker etc ;D;D;D

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Media reckon we're in for Upson but i haven't heard owt yet. We're giving the Lescott deal a bit more time but we want a centre half in for weekend so unless anything happens in the next few days with lescott, then i wouldn't be surprised if the stories were true.

1 Chelsea
2 Manchester United
3 Manchester City
4 Liverpool
5 Arsenal
6 Aston Villa
7 Tottenham
8 Everton
9 West Ham
10 Fulham
11 Sunderland
12 Blackburn Rovers
13 Birmingham City
14 Wigan
15 Bolton Wanderers
16 Hull City
17 Portsmouth
18 Stoke City
19 Burnley
20 Wolves

That's what I'm going with so far, although a few choice signings before the transfer window might alter it a bit. Should be a good season for the Hammers if we can keep people fit & away from the likes of Spurs & Man City. I reckon Savio might come on a bit this year, & Luis Jimenez who we've got on loan is quality. If we bring in Luca Toni as rumoured then Europe might not be out of the question :)

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Jozy Altidore will be on loan to Hull this season...I hope he picks the flow of the game up fast!


Aquilani is coming to Liverpool...I am cautiously optimistic, he is very talented, but seems to be injured quite a bit

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If we kept the same team with Alonso we could have won the league. I think we may have blown it. Aquilani is injured already and will not play until October. :-\

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Jozy Altidore will be on loan to Hull this season...I hope he picks the flow of the game up fast!


Aquilani is coming to Liverpool...I am cautiously optimistic, he is very talented, but seems to be injured quite a bit

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If we kept the same team with Alonso we could have won the league. I think we may have blown it. Aquilani is injured already and will not play until October. :-\

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Luckily United are going to be weaker (imo) without Ronaldo and Tevez so it might not matter too much. Arsenal are weaker. Chelsea have pretty much stayed the same, Everton haven't strengthened, Villa have but have also been weakened. I think it will be out of Chelsea, Liverpool and United to be honest. I hope we challenege somewhere near though.

Lescott has had his transfer request rejected. Talking about tranfer requests, my mate told me John Terry tried to hand one in at Chelsea only to be told it would be rejected so they told him to go away and think about it. Despite all the 'i was never going to leave bullshit' we were pretty close to getting him.

£20m for Lescott is daylight robbery.

John Terry is a waste of money too considering his age. He certainly negotiated a fat contract for himself, the greedy git.

Man U just don't look that scary too me :-\ Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

I hear lots of stuff about Babel or Lucas filling in for Alonso...and if that's the case then top 4 will be the BEST we do. Lucas is the WORST Brazilian soccer player ever!!!!

The line up we're going to need is as follows:

GK: Reina
LB: Insua/Aurelio CB: Carragher CB: Agger/Skrtel RB: Johnson
LM: Riera CM: Mascherano CM: Benayoun RM: Kuyt
ST: Gerrard ST: Torres

Dirk has never been my favorite player, but I think he hustles and he seems to do better when he has more ground to cover. Sure he can't cross the ball very well, but he can play a through ball pretty good. I think Voronin should be used more as well if we're going to play our outside players (Riera and Kuyt) farther forward than when we had Alonso. I think Benayoun is vital to our success as well as Kuyt and Voronin, those guys have to play at a higher level than ever before if we're going to do anything. Our defense is solid and Gerrard and Torres will be good for planty of goals, but we need guys to feed them AND to add goals when teams mark Steve and Torres closely.

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I hear lots of stuff about Babel or Lucas filling in for Alonso...and if that's the case then top 4 will be the BEST we do. Lucas is the WORST Brazilian soccer player ever!!!!

The line up we're going to need is as follows:

GK: Reina
LB: Insua/Aurelio CB: Carragher CB: Agger/Skrtel RB: Johnson
LM: Riera CM: Mascherano CM: Benayoun RM: Kuyt
ST: Gerrard ST: Torres

Dirk has never been my favorite player, but I think he hustles and he seems to do better when he has more ground to cover. Sure he can't cross the ball very well, but he can play a through ball pretty good. I think Voronin should be used more as well if we're going to play our outside players (Riera and Kuyt) farther forward than when we had Alonso. I think Benayoun is vital to our success as well as Kuyt and Voronin, those guys have to play at a higher level than ever before if we're going to do anything. Our defense is solid and Gerrard and Torres will be good for planty of goals, but we need guys to feed them AND to add goals when teams mark Steve and Torres closely.

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Lucas was a liability last season, although towards the end he started playing well and he is doing well at the pre-season so fingers crossed he will have a good partnership with Mascherano. As long as Gerrard and Torres are fit we will be dangerous.

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Man U just don't look that scary too me :-\ Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

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The players are hypocrites, I respect them moving for the money just say that was the reason and not because the club did not show me the love, or kiss the badge and then piss off next get to another club and start kissing their badge.

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Man U just don't look that scary too me :-\ Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

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I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

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I hear lots of stuff about Babel or Lucas filling in for Alonso...and if that's the case then top 4 will be the BEST we do. Lucas is the WORST Brazilian soccer player ever!!!!

The line up we're going to need is as follows:

GK: Reina
LB: Insua/Aurelio CB: Carragher CB: Agger/Skrtel RB: Johnson
LM: Riera CM: Mascherano CM: Benayoun RM: Kuyt
ST: Gerrard ST: Torres

Dirk has never been my favorite player, but I think he hustles and he seems to do better when he has more ground to cover. Sure he can't cross the ball very well, but he can play a through ball pretty good. I think Voronin should be used more as well if we're going to play our outside players (Riera and Kuyt) farther forward than when we had Alonso. I think Benayoun is vital to our success as well as Kuyt and Voronin, those guys have to play at a higher level than ever before if we're going to do anything. Our defense is solid and Gerrard and Torres will be good for planty of goals, but we need guys to feed them AND to add goals when teams mark Steve and Torres closely.

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I can see big things from Benayoun this year one of the most underrated players in the Premiership great great player i rate him highly hope he doesnt shine to much me being a United fan ;D.

Yeah I agree with a guy like Terry he's already pretty much set and its just is there ever enough money?

On the whole though I would want to make as much as possible as quickly as possible. Cause most of these guys, they stop school at like 16 or 17 don't they? Its not like Lee Bowyer's gonna have a successful second career in theoretical physics, he needs to make money now and try to make enough to at least fairly well set himself up for life. I apologize if Lee's really a smart guy.

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Yeah I agree with a guy like Terry he's already pretty much set and its just is there ever enough money?

On the whole though I would want to make as much as possible as quickly as possible. Cause most of these guys, they stop school at like 16 or 17 don't they? Its not like Lee Bowyer's gonna have a successful second career in theoretical physics, he needs to make money now and try to make enough to at least fairly well set himself up for life. I apologize if Lee's really a smart guy.

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Haha!! I think its safe to say Lee Bowyer is thicker then two short planks!!

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Yeah I agree with a guy like Terry he's already pretty much set and its just is there ever enough money?

On the whole though I would want to make as much as possible as quickly as possible. Cause most of these guys, they stop school at like 16 or 17 don't they? Its not like Lee Bowyer's gonna have a successful second career in theoretical physics, he needs to make money now and try to make enough to at least fairly well set himself up for life. I apologize if Lee's really a smart guy.

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Haha!! I think its safe to say Lee Bowyer is thicker then two short planks!!

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Lee Bowyer is not the smartest person in the world but remember the hyprocracy of when he did npt go to Birmingham because of the perceived threat of getting beaten up by Asian youths but when west Ham do not want him. Guess where he goes as he has no other choice a few years later. Yes Birmingham - racist cunt.

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Man U just don't look that scary too me :-\ Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

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I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

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Sorry mate but that is short sighted at best.

Number one City players in general are on nowhere near what they are allegedly on according to the players. I know this for a fact. I don't know exactly what they are on but i do know nobody takes home more than 92k per week after tax (Robinho i'm guessing). Gareth Barry is nowhere near the 130k p/w reported in The Sun, Bellamy is nowhere near the 90k p/w as also reported in the media. I know this because it was mentioned at a Supporters club open-forum by Garry Cook ( i was there and heard it myself).

Adebayor has been given a good rise to move and so has Tevez but to say they are moving purely for financial reasons is very narrow minded. Furthermore nearly all footballers get a pay rise when they join a new club. Berbatov, Valencia, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic...need i go on? If everything was all about success then surely these players wouldn't need to practically double (correct me if i'm wrong but i'd guess Valencia, Rooney and Vidic must have come very close) their wages to join such a club? Would they?

Sure we are doing it on a new level but that's what you have to do to be competitive. United have done it, Chelsea have done it and after us there will be another club that does it.

The playing with better players argument is also a little bit silly because at City both tevez and Adebayor will be playing with some very talented players. We certainly have the resources to add to that pool of players and i think we have made our ambitions perfectly clear. We have considerably strengthened whereas only Chelsea arguably haven't been weakened.

By your way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most successful clubs so that defeats the object of competition. If that happened we might aswell not bother with the Premier League and just have United - Liverpool live on Sky Box Office every week.

Where's the fun in that?

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Man U just don't look that scary too me :-\ Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

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I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

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Sorry mate but that is short sighted at best.

Number one City players in general are on nowhere near what they are allegedly on according to the players. I know this for a fact. I don't know exactly what they are on but i do know nobody takes home more than 92k per week after tax (Robinho i'm guessing). Gareth Barry is nowhere near the 130k p/w reported in The Sun, Bellamy is nowhere near the 90k p/w as also reported in the media. I know this because it was mentioned at a Supporters club open-forum by Garry Cook ( i was there and heard it myself).

Adebayor has been given a good rise to move and so has Tevez but to say they are moving purely for financial reasons is very narrow minded. Furthermore nearly all footballers get a pay rise when they join a new club. Berbatov, Valencia, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic...need i go on? If everything was all about success then surely these players wouldn't need to practically double (correct me if i'm wrong but i'd guess Valencia, Rooney and Vidic must have come very close) their wages to join such a club? Would they?

Sure we are doing it on a new level but that's what you have to do to be competitive. United have done it, Chelsea have done it and after us there will be another club that does it.

The playing with better players argument is also a little bit silly because at City both tevez and Adebayor will be playing with some very talented players. We certainly have the resources to add to that pool of players and i think we have made our ambitions perfectly clear. We have considerably strengthened whereas only Chelsea arguably haven't been weakened.

By your way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most successful clubs so that defeats the object of competition. If that happened we might aswell not bother with the Premier League and just have United - Liverpool live on Sky Box Office every week.

Where's the fun in that?

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The way you go mate you would think you were Mark Hughes you know this that and everything that goes on but most the stuff you have said and all these facts you seem to know about are either printed in the sun or on sky sports news.

My way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most succesful clubs so that defeats the object of compitition?? No my way of thinking like I said before is why the fuck would you want to join a club who can rarely sell there home games out who wont be in europe and will more then likely not be in the chamipons league for at least a couple of years, when you can stay or join a club that will be challanging for all the top titles and be playing in the Champions League?? ONE ANSWER AND ONE ANSWER ONLY CASH!!! If you want to believe its because Man City is this wonderful attractive world renowned club thats your decision, but noone else is fooled.

I dont blame City they have the money and good luck to them to get what players they can but players like the players i highlighted are money grabbing cunts.

Man Utd fan (Skel) and Man City fan (Ono) disagreeing, we will see a lot of that this season. ;)

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I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

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Sorry mate but that is short sighted at best.

Number one City players in general are on nowhere near what they are allegedly on according to the players. I know this for a fact. I don't know exactly what they are on but i do know nobody takes home more than 92k per week after tax (Robinho i'm guessing). Gareth Barry is nowhere near the 130k p/w reported in The Sun, Bellamy is nowhere near the 90k p/w as also reported in the media. I know this because it was mentioned at a Supporters club open-forum by Garry Cook ( i was there and heard it myself).

Adebayor has been given a good rise to move and so has Tevez but to say they are moving purely for financial reasons is very narrow minded. Furthermore nearly all footballers get a pay rise when they join a new club. Berbatov, Valencia, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic...need i go on? If everything was all about success then surely these players wouldn't need to practically double (correct me if i'm wrong but i'd guess Valencia, Rooney and Vidic must have come very close) their wages to join such a club? Would they?

Sure we are doing it on a new level but that's what you have to do to be competitive. United have done it, Chelsea have done it and after us there will be another club that does it.

The playing with better players argument is also a little bit silly because at City both tevez and Adebayor will be playing with some very talented players. We certainly have the resources to add to that pool of players and i think we have made our ambitions perfectly clear. We have considerably strengthened whereas only Chelsea arguably haven't been weakened.

By your way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most successful clubs so that defeats the object of competition. If that happened we might aswell not bother with the Premier League and just have United - Liverpool live on Sky Box Office every week.

Where's the fun in that?

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The way you go mate you would think you were Mark Hughes you know this that and everything that goes on but most the stuff you have said and all these facts you seem to know about are either printed in the sun or on sky sports news.

My way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most succesful clubs so that defeats the object of compitition?? No my way of thinking like I said before is why the fuck would you want to join a club who can rarely sell there home games out who wont be in europe and will more then likely not be in the chamipons league for at least a couple of years, when you can stay or join a club that will be challanging for all the top titles and be playing in the Champions League?? ONE ANSWER AND ONE ANSWER ONLY CASH!!! If you want to believe its because Man City is this wonderful attractive world renowned club thats your decision, but noone else is fooled.

I dont blame City they have the money and good luck to them to get what players they can but players like the players i highlighted are money grabbing cunts.

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Well actually go back through my posts and you will see some of the stuff i posted wasn't even in the media. Stuart Taylor signing is an example of that. I also said we'd got Tevez about 1 month before he signed, depsite various media reporting he was going to go to Chelsea. I also posted the exact time Adebayor would be unveiled despite the media saying the deal had hit the rocks. I also posted the date on which Kolo Toure would sign - which i was one day out. I also said Lescott would hand in a transfer request which he has done. I also said we'd make a big move for John Terry about 2 weeks before the media even had a wiff. I also said Bassong wouldn't be signing despite the media saying he would be signing within the next 48 hours.

Anyway back on point, Let's assume the players you mentioned are just money grabbing cunts. So if say Notts County or QPR offered them 200k p/w to play for them they would take it right? Probably not. Of course money is a factor just like it is for anybody else in any career field, but there also has to be sporting ambition that matches the money. I never once said we are this wonderfully attractive world renowned club, although we have a good history, but again it matters very little when we have the resources that we currently have. Past history counts for exactly fuck all when assessing your chances of future success. For example, Liverpool have a fantastic history yet see how dismissive Sir BaconFace and a good deal of Man Utd fans/news reporters are about Liverpool's ability to challenege for the title.

We have the chance to be successful in the future just like Chelsea had when Roman came in, and i'm pretty sure other players can see that. Like i said before, money is a factor but to say it's the only factor is so short-sighted.

Selling home games out is also an irrelevant point. Look at your own home attendances just before the Sky money came in. You know, around about the time you we're a mid-table team/good cup team. You wasn't selling out but when the success came, the attendances grew. It just means the rest of the seats are sold to glory-hunting, prawn sandwich eating day-trippers or if you like, the success achieved by your club has attracted more fans.

Finally, even if the entire Man City team was made of up mercenaries, how would that stop them from being successful? Players aren't going to under-perform because they are being paid well. They are still going to perform to the best of their ability. What if we signed 11 world class mercenaries? Would we still have no sporting ambition? So even if we're playing along with your notion that they are money grabbing cunts, at what point does it change from a team of mercenaries to a team capable of challenging for the title?

I'd say 1 - 2 seasons. And what guarantee of success would the likes of Adebayor, Toure, Barry, Lescott and Santa Cruz have had over that period if they had have stayed at their previous clubs? None because none of them have the resources to take them to the next level. We have the resources to take us beyond that level. The end.

Told you Ono you weren't getting Lescott :LOLATYOU:It's the clubs decision and he has 3 years left on his contract. So he can't do shiit to change it.

The money grabbing twat is staying put.

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Told you Ono you weren't getting Lescott :LOLATYOU:It's the clubs decision and he has 3 years left on his contract. So he can't do shiit to change it.

The money grabbing twat is staying put.

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I hope his weird shaped head falls off :cool:

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Told you Ono you weren't getting Lescott :LOLATYOU:It's the clubs decision and he has 3 years left on his contract. So he can't do shiit to change it.

The money grabbing twat is staying put.

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We'll see mate. ;)

45minutes into the new season boys and its chelscum 1-1 Hull

I will quite happily sacrifice seeing my beloved hammers getting beat 7-0 today if it meant lampard ruptured an achilles ;D;D;D

Aston Villa looked crap.

I was talked into signing up for this fantasy football thing and Ashley Young and Abonglahor gave me nothing.

Thankfully I got 6 points each from Dempsey, Hangeland and Darren Bent. And have Gerrard tomorrow.

I think Arsenal are being underrated. If they had brought in Viera (to be honest I haven't seen him in a while so don't know how good he still is) or Melo or some good strong holding midfielder I probably would have picked them to win the league. Cause they're no team out there that looks that scary this year like Man U of the last two years. I guess Chelsea.

Liverpool this year. It just makes sense.

If they still had Alonso I would have picked them, not sure now.

Arsenal just destroying Everton, 3-0 in the first half :o Telling you Arsenal's gonna do well this year, who cares about losing Adebayor really.

Everton just got beat 1-6 at home by arsenal!!

Arsenal have a great 11-14 players but there squad is not that good when injurys and games start coming thick and fast thats when they will wilt.

Villa havent got the money to compete they will struggle to do what they did last year, I can Spurs doing Liverpool tomorrow looks like Gerrard is out.

Burnely are fucked!!! ;D

Wolves look bad.
Portsmouth have sold their best players.

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Wolves look bad.
Portsmouth have sold their best players.

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Yes Mcarthey hasnt got the best record in the premiership, i think they might scrape it as they have a few strikers who i feel can scpre but it will be close.

Burnley
Hull
Wolves
Birmingham
Pompey

I think the three will go from them five.