I had it 6-5-1 for Martinez. 119 is fucking absurd. And Steward should be fucking chastised for questioning Martinez heart and toughness.
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I had it 6-5-1 for Martinez. 119 is fucking absurd. And Steward should be fucking chastised for questioning Martinez heart and toughness.
Are you fucking serious? That was one of the best fights of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I thought Williams did enough, but quite a close fight. That final scorecard is insane. How on earth do you get such disparities in the scoring? It seems every week we find a new judge freshly graduated from the school of mentalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
The first few rounds were really fun, but it became a bit of a stinky hugfest as the rounds wore on. I prefered Williams output, over the more sporadic flashy punches of Martinez.
Great fight to watch. Needed to be real close or even a draw I coulda lived with. 119 is retarded but nothing surprises me any more.
Miles you drunk fella?
Hugg Fest?
That was 1 of the best fights of the year.
Contender for FOTY for me...
sergio needs to just forget about boxing and show up to the ring with a damn pistol and just start lettin off shots . That's damn near the only way poor dude is gonna ever win a fight. I welcome you and funeka to America. Shit works funny round here sometimes. Should probably watch your luggage while you're here too. Ask Arthur Abraham about that
I think it was a great fight, both guys fighting to the brink of exhaustion. Don't really know what more you could want from a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI thought Williams did enough, but quite a close fight. That final scorecard is insane. How on earth do you get such disparities in the scoring? It seems every week we find a new judge freshly graduated from the school of mentalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
The first few rounds were really fun, but it became a bit of a stinky hugfest as the rounds wore on. I prefered Williams output, over the more sporadic flashy punches of Martinez.
I thought Martinez won...
It was a close fight BUT Martinez landed the harder cleaner shots.
I felt he dictated the fight for the most part.
Judge Pierre Bitch-Noise is a disgrace....
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Originally Posted by Mar
For real Mar, he might as well just go strapped and fire a couple of rounds... ;D
My sentiments exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
what the fuck does funeka have to do with decisions in america?
115-113 or something similar to that for either guy is acceptable, but 119-111 is just retarded. Loved the fight, hope they do it again, and due to fairness maybe do it in madrid spain this go round, I know not likely to happen but still. Martinez I think just became my favorite fighter with this fight and his post fight interview, as for steward talking "smack" about his heart or toughness, what the f*** I think martinez is as tough and determined as they come. Props to Paul to for fighting the way he did, cause a great fight takes two, Amazing fight , one of the few fights where I think a draw would have actually been the correct decision.
He's been the victim of disputed decisions twice in America. Both times losing to a fighter promoted by an American company I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
I think Mar is just using Funeka as reference...Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Due to Funeak being robbed vs. Guzman.
I had it 7-5 Martinez, and I completely agree with you about Steward, him saying that was bull$hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
How that one judge could only give Martinez 1 round with these numbers is absurd.
Total Punches
Williams - landed 299 out of 978 for 31%
Martinez - landed 254 out of 638 for 40%
Total Jabs
Williams - landed 93 out of 347 for 27%
Martinez - landed 71 out of 192 for 37%
Total Power Punches
Williams - landed 208 out of 631 for 33%
Martinez - landed 183 out of 446 for 41%
Plus Martinez had the cleaner and more effective punches.
Was that judge giving Williams points for punches missed? :dontknow:
Haha, only 1:30pm here, so no alcohol....;D
The fight was decent enough, but I found the middle rounds a bit wearing. The referee had to break them up too much for my liking. A little too stop/start/stop/start for me. Yeah, my initial post was a bit strong. Definitely not my fight of the year, but I liked it enough to want to see them do it again.
i didn't think it was that great a fight either. agbeko-perez was better by a mile.
I thought that was a great fight......I had Martinez by a point.....But I cant argue with Paulie winning......
Gotta love both of those guys, just hard core fighters, there were a few low blows and heads coming together but neither one complained and none of it was on purpose....
Both of them are true warriors.....but you gotta wonder what that fight took outta both of them guys.....
BTW, did anyone else notice when Sergio literally knocked the snot out of Williams? I think it was the 7th or 8th round, they showed the replay of Sergio landing a big right hook and a huge booger came flying out of Paul's nose. Disgusting I know, but I had to chuckle at that.
Well two fights four guys giving it there all
Paul Williams, Chris Arreola, Brian Minto and Sergio Martinez all credit for making entertaining fights.
Agreed. At the end of the day, one thing for certain is that Martinez's stock definitely rose after his performance in this fight. No doubt about it. I had the fight very close. It was really about whether you are a fan of volume punching or cleaner punches. Martinez landed the more effective punches, but Williams threw more.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Does anyone think the fight would have been different at 154?
The difference is that these are two guys who are very, very talented. Paul is a top ten p4p fighter and Martinez should be somewhere on the list now too. I favor Martinez and Paul over Pavlik and Sturm at 160 and over Dzinzurik and Angulo at 154 meaning they are probably the two best in two weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
ppl really think that highly of these guys :confused: i would've picked a past-it Forrest to beat both of these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThe difference is that these are two guys who are very, very talented. Paul is a top ten p4p fighter and Martinez should be somewhere on the list now too. I favor Martinez and Paul over Pavlik and Sturm at 160 and over Dzinzurik and Angulo at 154 meaning they are probably the two best in two weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
On that note, wasn't it classy that Martinez wore the "Vernon Forrest" patch on his shorts?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambayppl really think that highly of these guys :confused: i would've picked a past-it Forrest to beat both of these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThe difference is that these are two guys who are very, very talented. Paul is a top ten p4p fighter and Martinez should be somewhere on the list now too. I favor Martinez and Paul over Pavlik and Sturm at 160 and over Dzinzurik and Angulo at 154 meaning they are probably the two best in two weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
It is pretty well-documented that Forrest dodged Martinez for a year before he passed away. And Paul Williams would have ran through Forrest at this stage of Forrest's career.
Did Arreola look to be suffering ill effects off Beating?Hope they replay Williams/Martinez,sounds like a thriller.Sort of suprised Martinez dropped Williams so hard..legit??
Actually he had MAJOR problems with his hands. They've been a problem since he fought Ike Quartey, hence his massive drop in activity since then. I think Martinez would've beaten him at that point in time, but Forrest wasn't dodging him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratOn that note, wasn't it classy that Martinez wore the "Vernon Forrest" patch on his shorts?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambayppl really think that highly of these guys :confused: i would've picked a past-it Forrest to beat both of these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
It is pretty well-documented that Forrest dodged Martinez for a year before he passed away. And Paul Williams would have ran through Forrest at this stage of Forrest's career.
But it was classy of Martinez to wear that. I can't believe Martirosyan thought he had a shot against him
Martinez not only dropped Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
He rocked 'em, bloodied and busted 'em up pretty well.
Much worse then CQ.
If Sergio Mora was able to beat Forrest I would be willing to put all that I own on the line that both Paul & Martinez would beat Forrest more convincingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambayppl really think that highly of these guys :confused: i would've picked a past-it Forrest to beat both of these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThe difference is that these are two guys who are very, very talented. Paul is a top ten p4p fighter and Martinez should be somewhere on the list now too. I favor Martinez and Paul over Pavlik and Sturm at 160 and over Dzinzurik and Angulo at 154 meaning they are probably the two best in two weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
People think highly of both of these guys because it's been obvious that fighters keep pulling out of fights on them. Last night they showed why no one wants to fight them.
williams overated:)
I only just got the chance to watch it. I have to say it was a very good fight, probably my FOTY. I had Martinez ahead by a few points, but you could make an argument for Williams. Though, 119-110 is a disgrace. I wish the corruption, in the sport I love, would just simply end. :rolleyes:
I dunno why but I started remembering what people said about Sergio Martinez.
That he was sorta like a poor man's Calzaghe. And in those first few rounds he looked it.
He went down early on a knockdown and then came back with his hands down and started dominating, i was seriously seeing flashes there. But he is his own unique fighter. It was a great GREAT fight. Thought It should have been a draw. Both fighters deserve to fight everyone who avoids them instead of each other. They fought evenly.
My computer crashed and I just got it back up and running, so I haven't read all of this thread...
I thought this was a very high caliber and exciting fight! I thought Letterman's card was pretty good except I thought Martinez took the 11th; which made it a draw in my eyes. Overall impression though, is that Williams got his bell wrung worse.
The comment I really want to make though, is about the corners. I thought both corners were of as high a caliber as the fighters themselves! This fight was made much more exciting and competitive, because of the excellent and specific advice both fighters were receiving, and their abilities to listen and implement the advice given.
All through the fight you heard clear specific advice, and then you'd see the fighter implement that tactic successfully. Then you'd hear the other corner give advice; which would swing things back in their fighter's favor.
After this fight, I had to wonder: What if Cotto, had had a corner as good as either one of these fighters?
A very good point. I noticed the caliber of the corners as well. It goes to show that boxing really is high-speed chess. We need to see a rematch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
As far as Cotto goes, he did have terrible corner advice for the Pacquiao fight, but you also have to wonder about his confidence and physical after taking the beating from Marga-cheato a year prior (presumably with cinder-blocks on his hands). Add in the 145 catch-weight and the poor Puerto Rican had everything working against him. We can only wonder... :rolleyes:
I scored it a draw with the 11th going to Martinez. I have to say it was a great fight and very entertaining but what was the 119-110 all about? Seriously, scores like this are killing the sport. There has to be some form of standardisation of scoring methods because that was a farce.
Argh i was so annoyed that i lost my feed during the 7th!! :mad:
Williams clearly doesn't like fellow southpaws. Can't really comment on the judges but i know this now the second time Martinez was involved in a controversial decision...He got a draw against Cintron when he blatantly beat the Muppet.
The only dropped ball I saw was after Williams was cut in the first few rounds and it took the corner half the time to address the cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_Myk
Just thought I'd post these up...
I like to add pictures when creating my DVD menus and some of these shots are great action shots...
http://edmulholland.com/galleries/wi...z/thomp001.jpg
http://edmulholland.com/galleries/wi...arreola002.jpg
I'm using this shot for the menu screen when I burn the fight to DVD...
http://edmulholland.com/galleries/wi...illiams015.jpg
Here's a couple more good action shots for you CMM.
http://images.ringtv.com/images/7/00...5/4685_605.jpg
http://images.ringtv.com/images/7/00...8/4688_605.jpg
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/events...ide-08-760.jpg