Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

If there is anyone here who TRUELY believes that Pac doesn't want to take a blood test because he's "superstitious" or would feel weak, than you are truely niave as hell.

Pac has something to hide, don't kid yourself. Pac is roiding.

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I think you are the naive one sir for stereotyping Manny has 'roided out'.

You need to do some reading on Manny's weight progression throughout his career. He was only 16 years old when he fought at 106lbs. Over the next five years he progressed to the super bantamweight division of 122lbs. Three-four years later he fought at featherweight regularly. A year or two later he fought at Super featherweight (130lbs). Another three years later he fought at Lightweight (135lbs) when taking out Diaz. Since then he has gained 10lbs......

It's been a very gradual increase in fighting weight.

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Originally Posted by ilovebrucelee

Well the whole thing just is shady. Can anyone here tell me that the tiny amount of blood taken in a drug test would not be recovered in a day? I dont think it would even effect you at all, its not like theyre draining your whole body.

Anyone who says mayweather is being a dick for asking is stupid, if theres nothing to hide then there shouldnt be a problem. I dont see a problem at all if mayweather takes the same drug test especially with the 10 mil per pound clause of the contract, pac should just humour us and take the drug test. And for the whole needle thing, the guy has tattoos so he cant be too afraid of needles.

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I agree with everything you just said;)

Manny has already dropped a bollock by not just complaining but flat out refusing, thats like acusing someone you of being a peado and wanting your pc tested for filth, your going to jump at the chance to prove them wrong, if you refuse your going to look very suspicious, even guilty, Manny has really gone and dug himself a little hole.

I think he may be using something and reckon there could be talk going round from people who have seen and heard things for well known boxers and trainers to start opening their mouths about the subject over the past few months.

All Manny has to do is take the tests and prove them wrong, if he loses badly then that could have happened either way, what would be interesting is if he was taking something and has to bite the bullet and stay clean for 3 months, whether he comes in very light because he hasnt been able to maintain his mass whithout the extra help;)

I still have a feeling the fight will go on. Remember people the Pac-Hatton fight was also called off and then it went on, when Pac realized too much money is at stake.

Expect the fight to be on and ready to go in a few days.

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It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

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Here we have a guy who has shown KO power, stamina, aggression, intimidation, etc. And all of a sudden he's squeamish and scared about a needle?!

Floyd has agreed to the gloves, March 13th date, a ridiculous $10,000,000 fine per extra pound, 50-50 split, etc. You ask Pac for one single thing and he backs up?!

How about a fine of $11,000,000 to Pac for not taking a blood test?

Seriously, does anybody seriously think this fight won't happen?

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Originally Posted by rickyhatton1975

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

If there is anyone here who TRUELY believes that Pac doesn't want to take a blood test because he's "superstitious" or would feel weak, than you are truely niave as hell.

Pac has something to hide, don't kid yourself. Pac is roiding.

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I think you are the naive one sir for stereotyping Manny has 'roided out'.

You need to do some reading on Manny's weight progression throughout his career. He was only 16 years old when he fought at 106lbs. Over the next five years he progressed to the super bantamweight division of 122lbs. Three-four years later he fought at featherweight regularly. A year or two later he fought at Super featherweight (130lbs). Another three years later he fought at Lightweight (135lbs) when taking out Diaz. Since then he has gained 10lbs......

It's been a very gradual increase in fighting weight.

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once again!!!

steroids dont instantly make you turn in the incredible hulk you know ... without eating and training to become a body builder you wont look like one or put on any serious mass

they help with endurance and fat loss which is more something pac trains towards along with speed and power

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.

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I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...

@Miles, i will agree with your reply...

@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...

at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...

I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...

Mayweather would be going through the same test. So Freddie Roach's excuse for how it may effect Manny, it could effect Mayweather in the same way, its the same chance of it happening. Why should Manny say no to it? Mayweather's agreed to everything else and Manny can't agree to this?

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Originally Posted by cnote111

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.

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I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...

@Miles, i will agree with your reply...

@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...

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my point is why bitch about "what gives Floyd the right for blah blah blah", yet not complain a bit when Manny himself tries to dictate what a fighters penalty should be if he doesn't comply to the commissions rules when it comes to making weight

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Originally Posted by cnote111

at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...

I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...

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he never will dont worry, you know why ?

because he will never agree to take the test

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by cnote111

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.

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I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...

@Miles, i will agree with your reply...

@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...

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my point is why bitch about "what gives Floyd the right for blah blah blah", yet not complain a bit when Manny himself tries to dictate what a fighters penalty should be if he doesn't comply to the commissions rules when it comes to making weight

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Because people double standard for a fighter they like and diss another fighter for the same reasons they defend another one for.

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Originally Posted by cnote111

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.

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I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...

@Miles, i will agree with your reply...

@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...

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It should be the same across the board, but that is not realistic. Why not set the standard with the biggest fight of the century and work from the top down?

Currently drug testing is demanded by state athletic boards and is NOT the same for everyone. At the lowest financial levels drug testing is not done at all.

To be a professional boxer I don't think that it is too much to ask that every fighter has

1. A clean bill of health from a doctor stating they are ok to fight.

2. Random drug screens to ensure noone is doping, roiding, using HGH or whatever.

The only way to ensure this though is through an international commission which as of now doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by cnote111

at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...

I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...

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I agree, I personally don't believe Pacquiao would use illegal substances. Which is why I have a hard time seeing a good reason for him to not take the tests. Hell I'd overcome a little fatigue and a drug screen for what will probably be a 40 million dollar pay day, who wouldn't?

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Originally Posted by cnote111

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by cnote111

I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..

If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..

But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..


Guys,

I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...

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So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:

It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.

You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.

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It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...

However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha

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I hear you on that point and to an extent, I agree. On the other hand, the guy is a boxer - he punches and is punched for a living. And he's been through some gruesome wars in which blood dripped all over his face. I find it hard to believe that giving blood would make him so uneasy that he would turn down a $30M pay day. Also, this fight would be monstrous for boxing. It may even have an effect of bringing the sport back into the limelight. I would hate to see it fail to come to fruition because Manny refuses to submit to blood tests when at least in my humble opinion, he probably has nothing at all to hide because I serously doubt he's doped up.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by cnote111

at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...

I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...

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I agree, I personally don't believe Pacquiao would use illegal substances. Which is why I have a hard time seeing a good reason for him to not take the tests. Hell I'd overcome a little fatigue and a drug screen for what will probably be a 40 million dollar pay day, who wouldn't?

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why? i very much doubt pacquiao works out all his own nutrition, what to eat and what time along with any supplements he uses, after all he isnt the one with the degrees in sports biology or whatever ...

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record of refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out gives in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?:rolleyes:

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POST WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fought Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

This whole thread is moot since Pacquaio has not officially spoken on the subject. It's all heresay from the Mayweather camp.

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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by cnote111

at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...

I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...

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I agree, I personally don't believe Pacquiao would use illegal substances. Which is why I have a hard time seeing a good reason for him to not take the tests. Hell I'd overcome a little fatigue and a drug screen for what will probably be a 40 million dollar pay day, who wouldn't?

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why? i very much doubt pacquiao works out all his own nutrition, what to eat and what time along with any supplements he uses, after all he isnt the one with the degrees in sports biology or whatever ...

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There has been no substantial evidence to prove he has used illegal substances. I DO want him to take the test.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record or refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out giving in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?:rolleyes:

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POSET WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fougfht Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

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there is a big difference here, messing other fighters around over ring size and purses doesnt harm anyones career directly

manny is refusing to take a test which would easilly prove his innocence, seems a bit odd to me

its like being accused of stealing and you firmly denying it but refusing to turn out your pockets..

and your comment about floyd being worried pacquaio is on something and may hurt him .... what do you expect, you say that as if floyd should just fight pac with his drugs otherwise he is afraid :rolleyes:

@ElTerrible - A penalty for coming in over weight is to prevent Floyd using his weight to create an advantage over the smaller fighter which he just did last September...

The Roid issue is completely made up!


@Majesty - I have no double standard on my issues...But I will not compare apple and oranges... Would Mayweather come up with a penalty at PAC for coming in overweight?? No... Because Pac does not create advantages using his weight AFTER the weight is agreed upon... PBF will agree to a weight and then come in heavy...

The ROID issue is completely made up and has not basis of being even used against PAC.

@Killer - I really like your breakdown of the unrealistic terms of overall drug screening; however, my point is that Mayweather has no bearing on being the guy that starts this new drug screening process. This should be reviewed and drummed up by the sanctioning bodies... Not a fighters pre-fight stipulation without any evidence to even accuse PAC in the first place...

If floyd denied any of pac's requests, no matter how silly or how small. This would be a whole different issue. But since it's manny..........retarded.

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Originally Posted by cnote111

@ElTerrible - A penalty for coming in over weight is to prevent Floyd using his weight to create an advantage over the smaller fighter which he just did last September...

The Roid issue is completely made up!


@Majesty - I have no double standard on my issues...But I will not compare apple and oranges... Would Mayweather come up with a penalty at PAC for coming in overweight?? No... Because Pac does not create advantages using his weight AFTER the weight is agreed upon... PBF will agree to a weight and then come in heavy...

The ROID issue is completely made up and has not basis of being even used against PAC.

@Killer - I really like your breakdown of the unrealistic terms of overall drug screening; however, my point is that Mayweather has no bearing on being the guy that starts this new drug screening process. This should be reviewed and drummed up by the sanctioning bodies... Not a fighters pre-fight stipulation without any evidence to even accuse PAC in the first place...

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If its so made up why does Manny refuse to prove it? His fans seem to have more faith in him on this then he does ;D

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Originally Posted by cnote111

@ElTerrible - A penalty for coming in over weight is to prevent Floyd using his weight to create an advantage over the smaller fighter which he just did last September...

The Roid issue is completely made up!


@Majesty - I have no double standard on my issues...But I will not compare apple and oranges... Would Mayweather come up with a penalty at PAC for coming in overweight?? No... Because Pac does not create advantages using his weight AFTER the weight is agreed upon... PBF will agree to a weight and then come in heavy...

The ROID issue is completely made up and has not basis of being even used against PAC.

@Killer - I really like your breakdown of the unrealistic terms of overall drug screening; however, my point is that Mayweather has no bearing on being the guy that starts this new drug screening process. This should be reviewed and drummed up by the sanctioning bodies... Not a fighters pre-fight stipulation without any evidence to even accuse PAC in the first place...

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and a test is there to stop pac possibly using ped's to gain an advantage same thing

I am actually surprised at how many peeps on here believe manny is on drugs. You'd think a knowledgable crowd on this forum would have better sense. Obviously not.

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Originally Posted by Mar

If floyd denied any of pac's requests, no matter how silly or how small. This would be a whole different issue. But since it's manny..........retarded.

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refusing to have particular gloves, or a purse split is alot different to prove your a clean honest fighter.... most would jump at the chance to prove everyone wrong and then fuck floyd up after anyway ... why is manny refusing this oppurtunity

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Originally Posted by rickyhatton1975

I am actually surprised at how many peeps on here believe manny is on drugs. You'd think a knowledgable crowd on this forum would have better sense. Obviously not.

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knowledgable ? your the one claiming pac only putting on 10lb proves he isnt on any performance enhancers... i notice you ignored my response to that post

are andre berto, paulie malinaggi and floyd sr so unknowledgable too ?

I'm not Manny and so i can't speak for him on why he refuses...

But seeing how Floyd operates, there could be a precident here on not catering to Floyds rediculous demands... Pac has no history of such an accusation, so there was no reason to accuse him in the first place... Grasping for straws, and then making him prove a made up accusation is completely disrespectful...

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Originally Posted by cnote111

@ElTerrible - A penalty for coming in over weight is to prevent Floyd using his weight to create an advantage over the smaller fighter which he just did last September...

The Roid issue is completely made up!


@Majesty - I have no double standard on my issues...But I will not compare apple and oranges... Would Mayweather come up with a penalty at PAC for coming in overweight?? No... Because Pac does not create advantages using his weight AFTER the weight is agreed upon... PBF will agree to a weight and then come in heavy...

The ROID issue is completely made up and has not basis of being even used against PAC.

@Killer - I really like your breakdown of the unrealistic terms of overall drug screening; however, my point is that Mayweather has no bearing on being the guy that starts this new drug screening process. This should be reviewed and drummed up by the sanctioning bodies... Not a fighters pre-fight stipulation without any evidence to even accuse PAC in the first place...

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and a test is there to stop pac possibly using ped's to gain an advantage same thing

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On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

Oh it was all good when pac team wanted to come up with all these silly requests. And floyd agreed to them all including blood tests. But now all of the sudden the world is such an understanding place full of soft hearts. Funniest of all is pac wouldn't have won anyway. I say let em fight anyway. The outcome is always the same.

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@ElTerrible - A penalty for coming in over weight is to prevent Floyd using his weight to create an advantage over the smaller fighter which he just did last September...

The Roid issue is completely made up!


@Majesty - I have no double standard on my issues...But I will not compare apple and oranges... Would Mayweather come up with a penalty at PAC for coming in overweight?? No... Because Pac does not create advantages using his weight AFTER the weight is agreed upon... PBF will agree to a weight and then come in heavy...

The ROID issue is completely made up and has not basis of being even used against PAC.

@Killer - I really like your breakdown of the unrealistic terms of overall drug screening; however, my point is that Mayweather has no bearing on being the guy that starts this new drug screening process. This should be reviewed and drummed up by the sanctioning bodies... Not a fighters pre-fight stipulation without any evidence to even accuse PAC in the first place...

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and a test is there to stop pac possibly using ped's to gain an advantage same thing

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On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

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so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record or refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out giving in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?:rolleyes:

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POSET WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fougfht Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

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there is a big difference here, messing other fighters around over ring size and purses doesnt harm anyones career directly

manny is refusing to take a test which would easilly prove his innocence, seems a bit odd to me

its like being accused of stealing and you firmly denying it but refusing to turn out your pockets..

and your comment about floyd being worried pacquaio is on something and may hurt him .... what do you expect, you say that as if floyd should just fight pac with his drugs otherwise he is afraid :rolleyes:

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Why hasen't Floyd asked this of any of his other opponents? What if DLH made the same request of Floyd for their fight?

Why did he not ask this of Marquez who had jumped from 128-143 in a matter of 4 fights

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record or refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out giving in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?:rolleyes:

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POSET WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fougfht Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

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there is a big difference here, messing other fighters around over ring size and purses doesnt harm anyones career directly

manny is refusing to take a test which would easilly prove his innocence, seems a bit odd to me

its like being accused of stealing and you firmly denying it but refusing to turn out your pockets..

and your comment about floyd being worried pacquaio is on something and may hurt him .... what do you expect, you say that as if floyd should just fight pac with his drugs otherwise he is afraid :rolleyes:

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Why hasen't Floyd asked this of any of his other opponents? What if DLH made the same request of Floyd for their fight?

Why did he not ask this of Marquez who had jumped from 128-143 in a matter of 4 fights

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because the suspicion wasnt there, not from the mayweather camp but from others

because marquez slowed right down and looked worse the higher in weight he got, this is what happens to the human body naturally hasnt to pac somehow though

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After a little research it sounds like Roaches red blood cell count argument has some merit. Take the blood before the the 8 weeks prior to the fight, then do the regular drug tests that have been sufficient for everyone else. This will be Floyds fault if this thing falls through. Or atleast it sounds like right now.

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hahahaha there only taking a tiny sample of blood to test, he isnt giving them 2 pints of blood !

why 8 weeks, it seems like your trying work out a scenario were he could use and still pass the tests

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and a test is there to stop pac possibly using ped's to gain an advantage same thing

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On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

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so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

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1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

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are andre berto, paulie malinaggi and floyd sr so unknowledgable too ?

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Did you REALLY put Paul Malinaggi and Floyd Sr in the same sentence and pose a knowledge/integrity question?

Paulie is a foul mouthed wanker from brooklyn.

Floyd Senior is an antagonist speak-a-thon.

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are andre berto, paulie malinaggi and floyd sr so unknowledgable too ?

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Did you REALLY put Paul Malinaggi and Floyd Sr in the same sentence and pose a knowledge/integrity question?

Paulie is a foul mouthed wanker from brooklyn.

Floyd Senior is an antagonist speak-a-thon.

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brilliant .......

so those two heavilly involved in the sport are inferior to you ?

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On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

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so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

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1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVStmLCoH30

0:32 surely that constitutes a wobble.

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On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

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so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

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1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

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you need to watch that fight again jmm did hurt him

and the olympics arent a big event ? :-\

If this type of drug testing isn't put in place by some sort of commission or sanctioning body for EVERYONE! Then i would tell my opponent to take a long walk off a short cliff, if there was no basis for his accusation...

Dominating opponents is not a legitimate reason!