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Kermit Cintron was tagging him more when Paul Williams, was trying to be aggressive. Just because some people hate Kermit Cintron, for some of his antics in the ring. Doesn't mean he couldn't of won this fight, he was 3-0 up and having his best round of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
once again, boxing is the theatre of the unexpected. ;D
is that the mexican anthem ???
In some ways I agree with that, I mean in other sports, injury would just eliminate you with a defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju
That said however boxing is not like other sports. Federer will play 50 + matches in a single season, Cintron likely won't have 50 fights in his entire career.
A loss in boxing is so much more significant than in any other sport and therefore I think a no contest is the right result.
I wonder if it will be overturned on appeal? Probably not if that is the rules, but I hope they at least order a rematch. Cintron was looking good in there I thought. Like most others on here, I think he was never going to get the close rounds because of the bad taste the Martinez result left in the mouths of many.
Nobody really won that fight, so I don't know what you are all bickering about. It's a shame it goes to the cards like that because both fighters had a gameplan for 12, it doesn't prove anything for either fighter in going to the cards like that. A NC would be fairer, but seeing as Williams is the man who was opening up in the fourth and was ready to continue, I have no issue with him getting the nod. The only round I thought CIntron won was the first, but I was eating my lunch and just building into the fight myself.
fit bird singing the USA anthem
Maybe the judges were doing the same thing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Paul Williams did nothing in the first 3 rounds, and Kermit Cintron was constantly countering him. Paul Williams stepped it up in the last 20 seconds of the 3rd round, but he hit nothing except air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by YoungbloodNo way I see Cintron winning that 2nd round...Williams was taking and coming forward but forcing pace.Cintron can crack but he was not selling out for it and was not going to out range Williams,he rolled outta ring no harder than a Benn,Rahman,Barbosa,Hopkins etc..Just saying.This was not a Cintron whitewash and body language speaks volumesQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou kidding ? Kermit Cintron was landing his best punches of the fight, he snapped Paul Williams head back. Paul Williams hasn't met anyone who can hit as hard as Kermit Cintron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
In the 4th round he started out fast, and he got his head snapped back. By a hard right hand, and he was also clocked with some nice left hooks. Paul Williams would of got KTFO he wouldn't of been able to run, right through Kermit Cintron.
Sergio Martinez isn't a puncher, neither is Vernon Phillips, Winky Wright. Infact he's only met one puncher in his career Walter Dario Matthysse.
But he was mediocre and he didn't hit as hard as Kermit Cintron, im telling you now Paul Williams wouldn't of been able. To keep getting clocked trying to break down Kermit Cintron, there's a reason why he was so hesistant.
. . . and anyone who thinks Cintron deserved a win after that pathetic display has no right to dismiss others knowledge of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYeah, the judges always get the right scores :rolleyes:. And anyone who refused to acknowledge the accomplishments of Manny Pacquiao has no business telling anyone to "find a new sport to follow".Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEOWNED !Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Judges agree with me. Shows what you know
Ring generalship?! LOL . Find a new sport to follow
It was a poor fight with a poor result. Get over it.
Haha, wouldn't surprise me! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by markb018Maybe the judges were doing the same thing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Crap ending and like Bilbo said, it would be better if we get a quick rematch and have it settled properly. I still think Williams was only warming himself up.
Cintron won every round, then fell out of the ring and got hurt and somehow lost a decision.
That was bullshit. :rolleyes:
Almost everyone in the chat room, all well-respected members of this forum, felt Cintron won. So do many people in this thread. I don't think it was a "pathetic display" either, Cintron looked good.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. . . and anyone who thinks Cintron deserved a win after that pathetic display has no right to dismiss others knowledge of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHYeah, the judges always get the right scores :rolleyes:. And anyone who refused to acknowledge the accomplishments of Manny Pacquiao has no business telling anyone to "find a new sport to follow".Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
It was a poor fight with a poor result. Get over it.
As for getting over it, the result doesn't really bother me aside from the fact that I think it should have been a NC. It's ridiculous to go to the cards that early IMO.
The sad thing is, somebody did win and loose that fight. The rules on how they went to the cards is a whole different issue. They had to have been doing something cause they weren't watching that fight, maybe they did judge it on what they though williams was going to do not the very little he really did do......sadQuote:
Originally Posted by markb018Maybe the judges were doing the same thing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Terrible fight. Cintron had a good game plan, it was working, but then he fell out of the ring, onto the table. Then from the table to the ground he supposedly REALLY hurt his neck and back.
Good night everyone. If you feel cheated out of a fight, just remember, those in attendance got dicked even worse...
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Originally Posted by CFHAlmost everyone in the chat room, all well-respected members of this forum, felt Cintron won. So do many people in this thread. I don't think it was a "pathetic display" either, Cintron looked good.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. . . and anyone who thinks Cintron deserved a win after that pathetic display has no right to dismiss others knowledge of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
It was a poor fight with a poor result. Get over it.
As for getting over it, the result doesn't really bother me aside from the fact that I think it should have been a NC. It's ridiculous to go to the cards that early IMO.
I think a NC would have been a fairer result too. It wasnt a great fight so I cant see much call for a rematch.
If anyone needs a sopcast link to the Margarito fight, send me a PM. It's just starting.
How in the world can you say Williams...who I am no fan of...would of gotten knocked the fuck out just 3,4 rounds in?Based on Cinton hitting him up to that point,punched means nattas if you dont stand ground behind them and have the chest to absorb in return.Martinez may not be a huge banger but he beat the same Cintron twice,ko'd him once...and still got screwed.Cintron was not launching that power and they both waited too much...but the body language was taking shape and Williams was forcing action...we will disagree here.Lets hope for a rematch asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBPaul Williams did nothing in the first 3 rounds, and Kermit Cintron was constantly countering him. Paul Williams stepped it up in the last 20 seconds of the 3rd round, but he hit nothing except air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by YoungbloodNo way I see Cintron winning that 2nd round...Williams was taking and coming forward but forcing pace.Cintron can crack but he was not selling out for it and was not going to out range Williams,he rolled outta ring no harder than a Benn,Rahman,Barbosa,Hopkins etc..Just saying.This was not a Cintron whitewash and body language speaks volumesQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
In the 4th round he started out fast, and he got his head snapped back. By a hard right hand, and he was also clocked with some nice left hooks. Paul Williams would of got KTFO he wouldn't of been able to run, right through Kermit Cintron.
Sergio Martinez isn't a puncher, neither is Vernon Phillips, Winky Wright. Infact he's only met one puncher in his career Walter Dario Matthysse.
But he was mediocre and he didn't hit as hard as Kermit Cintron, im telling you now Paul Williams wouldn't of been able. To keep getting clocked trying to break down Kermit Cintron, there's a reason why he was so hesistant.
Garcia down in the first seems ok thou... shit the satalites freezing the polish picture up :(
The guy Margarito is fighting actually makes him looks fast. I didn't think that was possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I notice Antonio Margarito is holding his hands higher, or is that just me ? his defense seems tigther.
Considering his layoff and the result of his last fight, I think he looks decent. His handspeed is better than I remember it being. Maybe it's the level of opposition making him look improved though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
margarito's style looked different now under new trainer robert garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I always thought Kermit Cintron had a decent chance, because he's a puncher and Paul Williams is very hittable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by YoungbloodHow in the world can you say Williams...who I am no fan of...would of gotten knocked the fuck out just 3,4 rounds in?Based on Cinton hitting him up to that point,punched means nattas if you dont stand ground behind them and have the chest to absorb in return.Martinez may not be a huge banger but he beat the same Cintron twice,ko'd him once...and still got screwed.Cintron was not launching that power and they both waited too much...but the body language was taking shape and Williams was forcing action...we will disagree here.Lets hope for a rematch asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBPaul Williams did nothing in the first 3 rounds, and Kermit Cintron was constantly countering him. Paul Williams stepped it up in the last 20 seconds of the 3rd round, but he hit nothing except air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
In the 4th round he started out fast, and he got his head snapped back. By a hard right hand, and he was also clocked with some nice left hooks. Paul Williams would of got KTFO he wouldn't of been able to run, right through Kermit Cintron.
Sergio Martinez isn't a puncher, neither is Vernon Phillips, Winky Wright. Infact he's only met one puncher in his career Walter Dario Matthysse.
But he was mediocre and he didn't hit as hard as Kermit Cintron, im telling you now Paul Williams wouldn't of been able. To keep getting clocked trying to break down Kermit Cintron, there's a reason why he was so hesistant.
Im telling you if he would of just tried to windmill Kermit Cintron, he would of got KO'ed. Kermit Cintron was releasing the power in round 4, and snapped back the head of Paul Williams.
As i said there was a reason Paul Williams was hesistant. And thats because he's never been in, with someone that powerful and that is fact.
Well, if nothing else we can agree on that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHAlmost everyone in the chat room, all well-respected members of this forum, felt Cintron won. So do many people in this thread. I don't think it was a "pathetic display" either, Cintron looked good.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
As for getting over it, the result doesn't really bother me aside from the fact that I think it should have been a NC. It's ridiculous to go to the cards that early IMO.
I think a NC would have been a fairer result too. It wasnt a great fight so I cant see much call for a rematch.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch get made though, depending on what options are available to both fighters.
yeah mate he finds it alot easier to keep them up now the cement and horse shoes have been removed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I may get some bad rep for this but Cintron is a pussy! Theres no way that tumble did anything. Its funny how he was holding his shoulder but he couldn't even seem to walk. I actually thought he was winning but I'm so glad they gave it to williams based on that crap. Cintron will probly be wrestling with his three little kids later tonight, theres no way that guys hurt! And what makes it even funnier is the guy with Cintron going to the ambulance "Just Get Out Of Here, Just Go!" Like Kermit had been shot or something!:rolleyes:
Missed it fellas what happened ?
I hate Antonio Margarito for the handwraps, but i would still like to see him in big fights. Antonio Margarito vs Alfredo Angulo/Antonio Margarito vs Andre Berto/Antonio Margarito vs Saul Alvarez/Antonio Margarito vs Miguel Cotto 2.
Are all good fights IMO.
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Originally Posted by Saddoyeah mate he finds it alot easier to keep them up now the cement and horse shoes have been removed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
He would murder Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Could you imagine Antonio Margarito vs Alfredo Angulo, how could that not be one of the best action fights of the decade ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe would murder Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
At one point they were sparring partners. I'd love to see some of that footage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBCould you imagine Antonio Margarito vs Alfredo Angulo, how could that not be one of the best action fights of the decade ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe would murder Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I think it would be a very good fight, but I'd have to take Margarito to win. I'm not nearly as high on Angulo as some people are. He's a fairly limited fighter IMO.
and angulo too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe would murder Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I think Antonio Margarito would win aswell, but he's not quite as effective at 154. So that would make it interesting, but still a very good fight. There basically mirror images of eachother regarding fighting style's.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHAt one point they were sparring partners. I'd love to see some of that footage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBCould you imagine Antonio Margarito vs Alfredo Angulo, how could that not be one of the best action fights of the decade ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think it would be a very good fight, but I'd have to take Margarito to win. I'm not nearly as high on Angulo as some people are. He's a fairly limited fighter IMO.
Probably, but it'd be fun while it lasted. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out similar to Pavlik - Miranda with Margarito forcing Angulo on to the back foot and then punishing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkand angulo too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe would murder Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Frank hows things mate? Did Margarito look good good tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkand angulo too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe would murder Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Its not finished yet mate but his defense seems tighter, and his handspeed seems slightly faster. He looks good considering the lay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Frank hows things mate? Did Margarito look good good tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkand angulo too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
This posing idiot Margarito is fighting is almost making me want to cheer for Margarito. Almost.
He's not showing a lot of power though. I wonder why... :detective:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIts not finished yet mate but his defense seems tighter, and his handspeed seems slightly faster. He looks good considering the lay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Frank hows things mate? Did Margarito look good good tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
entertaining fight so far :)