Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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Redhawk05
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Gandalf
I really didn't need to see a replay of that stoppage. The bell was heard. Utter bullshit.
Just because the bell rang doesn't mean Molina's guy can get into the ring while the ref is still counting. It wasn't even like he was on 7 or 8 and about to officially end the round. He was on 5. Plain and simple, Molina's guy jumped the gun and it cost his fighter. Why is nobody blaming him?
Because it was a trivial mistake. You let it go and the fight continue.
You stop a fight for that and ignore everything else? It short changes everyone.
If you are so high on the decision then cool, but you are likely a group of one.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
The scoring is way off, but Garcia pulled away in the end.
Morales lost, but was never given a fair shake by those judges.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
Another god hassler and potentially the gayest interview I have ever seen.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
UD for Garcia, I didn't have it as wide for Garcia as the 3 judges did, Lederman had it about right 115-112, I believe. The KD in the 11th sealed the deal for Garcia, the fight was even up until then.
I hate seeing fighters crying after fights, can it Garcia.
Morales just got old, and his heart didn't seem in it anymore.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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Gandalf
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Redhawk05
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Gandalf
I really didn't need to see a replay of that stoppage. The bell was heard. Utter bullshit.
Just because the bell rang doesn't mean Molina's guy can get into the ring while the ref is still counting. It wasn't even like he was on 7 or 8 and about to officially end the round. He was on 5. Plain and simple, Molina's guy jumped the gun and it cost his fighter. Why is nobody blaming him?
Because it was a trivial mistake. You let it go and the fight continue.
You stop a fight for that and ignore everything else? It short changes everyone.
If you are so high on the decision then cool, but you are likely a group of one.
It's not even that I'm high on the decision. I didn't like it and wanted the fight to go on, and as I said before, going by the intent of the rule the ref could/should have let it slide. But he did go by the letter of the rule, and you can't get too mad about that. If you don't like the rule, fine. Complain about the rule. But bashing a ref for following the rule is off base.
As far as Molina's corner guy, it wasn't a trivial mistake, it was a huge mistake. Again, notice how NOBODY else who worked either corner got into the ring. We could see that nobody in Kirkland's corner even began moving toward the ring, and I'd bet it was the same on Molina's side. We saw Ann Wolfe didn't even get off her chair/stool at ringside; she knew the rule. And apparently everybody else on Molina's side knew the rule too. Don't downplay what the one guy did; he cost Molina the fight, not the ref.
Nice performance by Danny Garcia. There's no shame in Morales losing to a fighter that good at his age. I didn't see Morales' post-fight interview but I hope he fights at least one more time before hanging them up.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
Morales gave a fair account of himself. I think the scoring system led to him getting sloppy and getting knocked down and I agree that the KD was the difference in the end. Morales knew he had a handicap and couldn't do anything at this stage.
Retirement seems like the sensible option, he has had a good final run.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
115-113 Garcia. Won it in the last 2 rounds cos I think Morales started going to war in the 10th/11th and got caught. Garcia definitely edged a close fight so no complaints on the verdict.
The scorecards on the other hand....10-2 and 9-3 Garcia? really?
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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Redhawk05
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Gandalf
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Redhawk05
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I really didn't need to see a replay of that stoppage. The bell was heard. Utter bullshit.
Just because the bell rang doesn't mean Molina's guy can get into the ring while the ref is still counting. It wasn't even like he was on 7 or 8 and about to officially end the round. He was on 5. Plain and simple, Molina's guy jumped the gun and it cost his fighter. Why is nobody blaming him?
Because it was a trivial mistake. You let it go and the fight continue.
You stop a fight for that and ignore everything else? It short changes everyone.
If you are so high on the decision then cool, but you are likely a group of one.
It's not even that I'm high on the decision. I didn't like it and wanted the fight to go on, and as I said before, going by the intent of the rule the ref could/should have let it slide. But he did go by the letter of the rule, and you can't get too mad about that. If you don't like the rule, fine. Complain about the rule. But bashing a ref for following the rule is off base.
As far as Molina's corner guy, it wasn't a trivial mistake, it was a huge mistake. Again, notice how NOBODY else who worked either corner got into the ring. We could see that nobody in Kirkland's corner even began moving toward the ring, and I'd bet it was the same on Molina's side. We saw Ann Wolfe didn't even get off her chair/stool at ringside; she knew the rule. And apparently everybody else on Molina's side knew the rule too. Don't downplay what the one guy did; he cost Molina the fight, not the ref.
Nice performance by Danny Garcia. There's no shame in Morales losing to a fighter that good at his age. I didn't see Morales' post-fight interview but I hope he fights at least one more time before hanging them up.
The ref himself didn't even notice until he had his political interaction. Just get on with the fight and let it reach a meaningful conclusion. I will downplay it as the ref himself did too until he started an out of ring conversation.
It was a pointless way to end a fight.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
On a side note Judah is beating up a guy with a scrubby fo hawk here in the 6th and he'll prob get a stoppage win...unless he fades badly. Great win for Garcia too. He looked unsure at times but pulled away well. Seriously hope Morales retires!
And there is only ONE person allowed inside of the ring in between rounds :-X
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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115-113 Garcia. Won it in the last 2 rounds cos I think Morales started going to war in the 10th/11th and got caught. Garcia definitely edged a close fight so no complaints on the verdict.
The scorecards on the other hand....10-2 and 9-3 Garcia? really?
Yup that's not realistic at all. I hope Texas makes some major changes in refs, the way the commission does things, judges, and/or how fights are getting scored, et al, right now it stinks.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
CFH, you didn't miss anything in the main event bro, and you wouldn't have liked the judges scorecards.
Good job going shopping.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
FUCK OPEN SCORING
I had Erik Morales winning 7 rounds - 5, add in that knockdown and Morales still wins by a point, but I wouldn't argue with a draw.
However, I do not believe that knockdown would have ever occurred had Morales not been forced into hell bent for leather Kamikaze mode after hearing he was so behind on the corrupt score cards.
Morales outboxed Garcia in the center of the ring for long stretches of the fight, I really disagreed with jackass Ledderman giving Garcia rounds 6-10.
Damn shame to see Morales get shafted like that on the scorecards and forced into a do or die situation when he looked to be cruising to a decision win by out working and out boxing the much younger fighter.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
Molina fought a horrible fight and was never warned so in a way Im kinda glad he got thrown out. Was the act itself worthy of a DQ? Probably not, but the bell cannpot save a fighter in any round yet Molinas corner entered thew ring so the ref stuck by the rules, therfore I dont have much of a problem with it.
Garcia didnt impress me much. He was fighting an old sot fighter but he fought at Eriks pace and never really went for it. It was his chance to make a name for hismelf but he was happy waiting and was very negative. He deserved the decision in the end and its not often you see Morales go down from a single shot out the blue but Garcia let him off the hook in the last round. Baffling.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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Am I the only one who actually enjoyed how molina fought? I thought it was brilliant get your combos off, hold one of kirklands arms and keep punchin, didn't think it was boring at all, just brilliant tactics imo...as emanuel said, and don't agree much with him, but it wasn't dirty just smart. Thought alexander in his fight with maidana was far worse by just purely huging, molina was still doing work most the time on the inside, that dq was complete utter bullshit, if he was dqin him for the corner getin inside the ring he shoulda done so on the spot and not after talkin to someone ringside just makes it all look crooked and corrupt as hell. Also gale van hoy had kirkland by a point, wtf??? Seems like this shits become so prvelant in boxing were almost used to it.
Glad to have seen morales finish on his feet, open scoring is a shit idea, and as awesome as morales has been thru his career, doesn't seem like judges ever were on his side thru his career for the most part. Garcia isn't going places based on that performance, erik should call it a day tho because he can still be competive but mst likely will come up short most of the time, and I think you can slowly tell the punch resistance is deteriorating
Molina had a good plan, but all the wrestling, holding and leading with his head, made it an ugly fight to watch, so no, I didn't enjoy the fight and of course it ended in controversy which made it even worse.
After the KD in the 11th round, it almost looked like Morales considered staying down for the count, or have the ref wave the fight off. I don't know about "punch resistance", but he looked done to me.
I read somewhere that Morales made $1 million + for this fight, minus the $50,000 for not making weight, take the money and run Erik, you had a great career.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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armin
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed how molina fought? I thought it was brilliant get your combos off, hold one of kirklands arms and keep punchin, didn't think it was boring at all, just brilliant tactics imo...as emanuel said, and don't agree much with him, but it wasn't dirty just smart. Thought alexander in his fight with maidana was far worse by just purely huging, molina was still doing work most the time on the inside, that dq was complete utter bullshit, if he was dqin him for the corner getin inside the ring he shoulda done so on the spot and not after talkin to someone ringside just makes it all look crooked and corrupt as hell. Also gale van hoy had kirkland by a point, wtf??? Seems like this shits become so prvelant in boxing were almost used to it.
Glad to have seen morales finish on his feet, open scoring is a shit idea, and as awesome as morales has been thru his career, doesn't seem like judges ever were on his side thru his career for the most part. Garcia isn't going places based on that performance, erik should call it a day tho because he can still be competive but mst likely will come up short most of the time, and I think you can slowly tell the punch resistance is detiriorating
Short answer: YES
However, I will say this: MMA has a future star in the making. Molina's brilliant use of his head, his grappling and mauling style, his downright TACKLES of Kirkland..... I'm sure there's an MMA scout just drooling at the mouth at the propect of having Molina in the fold. Me... I like my boxing clean. I felt sorry for Ann Wolfe. She sounded like she wanted to go after Molina herself. She shoulda told Kirkland to bring up the knee, bring down Molina's head, and use his own head once in awhile. Hell.... Molina was getting away with it, so why not Kirkland?
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
molina fought like a bausss and made kirkland his bitch all night!
disgraceful end to the fight tho.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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Prediction: Garcia and Molina win the fights, close but clear. And the Texas judges award the wins to Morales and Kirkland.
Gawd I hope not shaz, we've had enough bad decisions here in Texas lately, maybe they'll get it right this time.
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I was almost right.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
Molina's style reminded me a lot of ward's fighting style but lacking the speed and athleticism. I find both fighters extremely hard to watch.
That's not to say that I didn't find Molina completely shutting out kirkland.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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ruthless rocco
molina fought like a bausss and made kirkland his bitch all night!
disgraceful end to the fight tho.
He led with his head all night and several times tried to tackle Kirkland. If the ref had any balls he would've deducted a point early in the fight. If I want to see that kind of shit, I'll tune into WWF or MMA. Kirkland was a dumbass for trying to finesse Molina, and instead should've just cracked him in the nuts a few times, or over the back of the head. Maybe THAT would've straighted out Molina.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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There was nothing "dirty" about the stoppage. It's frustratig and leaves us unsatisfied, but there's nothing dirty at work and no reason to get on that "This is why boxing is dying" soapbox.
This was a classic case of letter-of-the-law versus intent-of-the-law that happens in EVERY sport: Flagrant fouls in basketball, roughing penalties in football, balk violations in baseball, etc. By the letter of the law, the ref was supposed to DQ Molina. His corner stepped into the ring; that's a DQ. Now by the intent of the law, the ref could have (should have) let it slide. But nobody would be all disgusted and upset if Molina was clearly losing the fight; it only looks like an injustice because he was winning.
My biggest problem is with Harold Lederman blaming the Texas ringside officials for not keeping Molina's corner out of the ring. Every cornerman knows they're not supposed to get in the ring before the round is over; so what were the Texas people supposed to do, physically hold them back?
Boxing's complete lack of credibility is absolutely one of the major factors in it becoming a fringe sport. Incompetence and outright corruption are so widespread that fans of the sport are actually surprised when something goes the way it is supposed to. I have talked to a number of former boxing fans and MMA fans who cite this as a major reason they do not follow the sport.
Re: Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia Saturday night fight thread
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ruthless rocco
molina fought like a bausss and made kirkland his bitch all night!
disgraceful end to the fight tho.
He led with his head all night and several times tried to tackle Kirkland. If the ref had any balls he would've deducted a point early in the fight. If I want to see that kind of shit, I'll tune into WWF or MMA. Kirkland was a dumbass for trying to finesse Molina, and instead should've just cracked him in the nuts a few times, or over the back of the head. Maybe THAT would've straighted out Molina.
thats what i said he fought like a bausss!!!!
