HBO: Martinez vs Murray, Arreola vs Stiverne.... Saturday night fight thread

So whats the point of replay? It is annoying how predictable boxing is.

Can someone who scored the fight for Martinez explain why? He did almost nothing after the 2nd round.

Murray landed the more effective/accurate shots, had the better defense. And also scored 2 knockdowns maybe im getting caught up in the moment, but i think this is one of the worst robberies in a big fight i've seen in years.

Saddo, can you allote me more room on my sig...maximum of 200 keys will not make it till years end :-X

I had Martinez by a point or two. Should of been two knockdowns scored. Decent scrap.

Buncey is a unique character.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

What a load of shit. Fucking Suliaman has saved him for Chavez.

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Martinez won't see the 6th round if he fights Chavez again.

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Thats my point. He's done, so fuckin let him keep the belt for our young, drugged up Mexican to avenge his defeat.

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Originally Posted by CFH

Can someone who scored the fight for Martinez explain why? He did almost nothing after the 2nd round.

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I thought he stole the 9th and 11th just on activity and Murrays inactivity. He didnt land anything effective and Martinez was at least busy.

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Can someone who scored the fight for Martinez explain why? He did almost nothing after the 2nd round.

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I thought he stole the 9th and 11th just on activity and Murrays inactivity.

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I think I gave Martinez the 9th, but even in those rounds I thought that Murray was controlling the ring, showing better defence, and landing better punches. Martinez hit gloves all night and little else.

Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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What a load of shit. Fucking Suliaman has saved him for Chavez.

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Martinez won't see the 6th round if he fights Chavez again.

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Thats my point. He's done, so fuckin let him keep the belt for our young, drugged up Mexican to avenge his defeat.

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Im so disappointed i don't even feel like watching the other fight now, it was a great chance for the British fans to celebrate an amazing upset. For a fighter who went life and death in the prize fighter final, to go on and have amazing performance's against two long reigning champions an amazing story shame the ending wasn't so happy.

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

Unles he goes to the defense school of bhop he will have to retire. His style doesn't make for a a long career once age takes its tole. Ask roy

Should have been two KDs. IMO

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I understand not pissing where you like to eat, but if you feel you won you stand on it on that huge scale. I'm not sure Hbo will even remember his number next week

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Why though? That logic is absurd and it not found in any other sport.

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Can someone who scored the fight for Martinez explain why? He did almost nothing after the 2nd round.

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I thought he stole the 9th and 11th just on activity and Murrays inactivity.

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I think I gave Martinez the 9th, but even in those rounds I thought that Murray was controlling the ring, showing better defence, and landing better punches. Martinez hit gloves all night and little else.

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Martinez won the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 9th, 11th. So with the knockdown I had Murray by 3. It's a robbery to me because you can't really make a case for any other rounds for Martinez. Not to mention the extra knockdown Murray should have been given. I've pretty much had enough of this shit. It's a joke of a sport at times.

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Why though? That logic is absurd and it not found in any other sport.

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It's not? Never heard of home field advantage? And we know boxing is the worst offender

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Why though? That logic is absurd and it not found in any other sport.

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Yeah it's fucking ridiculous. No destryoying needed. Just win more rounds than your opponent. As Murray did. As far as I'm concerned when the first bell goes the title essentially becomes vacant.

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Why though? That logic is absurd and it not found in any other sport.

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It's not? Never heard of home field advantage? And we know boxing is the worst offender

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That's like saying the visiting football team needs to win by more than a field goal or something like that. It's absolutely ridiculous.

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Why though? That logic is absurd and it not found in any other sport.

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It's not? Never heard of home field advantage? And we know boxing is the worst offender

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Ok, if you saying it DOES happen, then I agree, if you are saying that it SHOULD happen, then that is what's absurd.

With all due respect folks, it was a close fight. I'm seeing that many people scored the 12th for Murray, and yet Murray admitted he got tagged (suggesting he was a little buzzed) in the 12th. I had it 114-113 for Martinez, and could certainly see the fight for Murray, but this wasn't a robbery by any stretch.

Stiverne looks like he just climbed out of bed

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Why though? That logic is absurd and it not found in any other sport.

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It's not? Never heard of home field advantage? And we know boxing is the worst offender

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Ok, if you saying it DOES happen, then I agree, if you are saying that it SHOULD happen, then that is what's absurd.

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Lol never said it should, just that it does. Just like in football and basketball. Refs giving calls to teams or certain players. Like Jordan.

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Murray says "He won fair and square"....cant fight for a man who wont fight for himself ???

Wow.

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He said he didn't do enough to win "in Argentina". I think he's looking to the future and not wanting to poison the water with HBO more than anything else.

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I agree, in a champs home country you need to destroy the champ to win

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Thats pretty much the size of it for me. Murray won, but he didnt win. It looked pretty straight forward to seal the deal, impose himself and his size and strength over the last 6 minutes but he couldnt. Martinez deserves some credit for that.

I also agree that Martinez landed next to nothing all night. Once the straight shots to the body stopped he was flicking at gloves all night.

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With all due respect folks, it was a close fight. I'm seeing that many people scored the 12th for Murray, and yet Murray admitted he got tagged (suggesting he was a little buzzed) in the 12th. I had it 114-113 for Martinez, and could certainly see the fight for Murray, but this wasn't a robbery by any stretch.

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Getting tagged once in 3 minutes does not win the round for the other guy,

What a shot.

Arreola is out of it.

Big man from fla is boxing nice. Chris looking terrible

Jab jab body blow!

You guys just missed the Zab Judah chicken dance redux

Stiverne fights like he's on valium.

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Stiverne fights like he's on valium.

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Chris gonna need all types of drugs to mask the pain of those mean ass body blows

It's going to be very difficult for Chris Arreola to bounce back and be a contender after this loss.

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Stiverne fights like he's on valium.

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Chris gonna need all types of drugs to mask the pain of those mean ass body blows

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Dudes so calm in there. Yeah Chris be pissin blood for a few days.

Murray & Stiverne are BOTH beasts!!!! Arreola is garbage. tough but not too skilled at all. Stivernes body shots were brutal. i wanna see him land on ole glass jaw wlad. he could too i bet! he can box.

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Murray & Stiverne are BOTH beasts!!!! Arreola is garbage. tough but not too skilled at all. Stivernes body shots were brutal. i wanna see him land on ole glass jaw wlad. he could too i bet! he can box.

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I'd like to see him get one more good fight for work on his skills before wlad. Also he needs to step his blocking game up. He was looking real shifty and quick when he was avoiding punches. I'd like to see him kd wlad and see what happens

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Can someone who scored the fight for Martinez explain why? He did almost nothing after the 2nd round.

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I thought he stole the 9th and 11th just on activity and Murrays inactivity.

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I think I gave Martinez the 9th, but even in those rounds I thought that Murray was controlling the ring, showing better defence, and landing better punches. Martinez hit gloves all night and little else.

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Martinez won the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 9th, 11th. So with the knockdown I had Murray by 3. It's a robbery to me because you can't really make a case for any other rounds for Martinez. Not to mention the extra knockdown Murray should have been given. I've pretty much had enough of this shit. It's a joke of a sport at times.

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I agree, Murray was robbed. Martinez is slip sliding away and needs to do some thinking about his career.

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Originally Posted by #1FightFan

Murray & Stiverne are BOTH beasts!!!! Arreola is garbage. tough but not too skilled at all. Stivernes body shots were brutal. i wanna see him land on ole glass jaw wlad. he could too i bet! he can box.

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Don't get too excited, Stiverne is good but don't throw him in with the big dogs yet. He needs a few more fights.
Arreola is finding the level he belongs at, and it's not at the top. I've never had high hopes for him, but he is tough as they come with good power and likes to mix it up so he is always entertaining.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

Don't get too excited, Stiverne is good but don't throw him in with the big dogs yet. He needs a few more fights.

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Yeah, really though.

He beats a 42 year old Ray Austin and Chris Arreola, and now he's supposed to jump right in there with Wlad?