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Well I finally voted. To say yes is to pretend total knowledge of all other cultures in the world. Admittedly I am not that in that position. Kooks and extremists abound in every culture, many giving the culture a bad name. But the vast majority of people are decent human beings, albeit with different beliefs and customs. What is unspeakable to us is the norm in some cultures, and vice versa. I just think it's a complicated subject, and one that can't be pigeon-holed with a one word answer.
Stop making stuff up. Where have I denied wife beating happening within Islam. It's even in the reply you have quoted. You don't have to be in the KKK to beat your wife in the US or the UK. The horrendous amount of domestic violence cases that I worked on for 10 years proved that to me, and I don't recall any of them being Muslims. 99% of them were white males because that was the demographic and if you don't think that is part of Western Christian and secular culture you are the one in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by BeanzDon't be so disingenuous. Wife beating and the terrorist acts you are so keen to attribute to Islam are also not accepted and values parts of Islamic culture for millions of Muslims across the world. You have to suggest I am dumb because your whole argument is built on the same stupid prejudices as Denilson. You are no better. At least he is honest about itQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe KKK isn't an accepted and valued part of our culture. How many times must I explain that to you? Are you that fucking dumb????Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWrong. According to YOU "Some cultures are better than others". This is your premise and not something that i have put forward. I don't have to prove all cultures are equal because I don't believe men and women are equal or black people and white people are equal, or any of that nonsense. You are the one reducing everything to such simple terms. If you can only see the world like that then that explains a lot. You have said yourself that you do not consider your culture the best culture, but if you are going to suggest that some cultures are better than others you better identify the gold standard. You need to do this. You need to prove the ultimate benchmark so that other people can grade cultures below it accordingly, and decide which cultures are better than others. You would not even or could not identify which culture was your own. You are using a fuzzy double standard in order to prove a strawman point.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Picking and choosing single elements to define a culture as huge, expansive, diverse and varied as Islam just so you can make your self feel superior.
You get enraged when Master suggests you would not like to be judged by an extreme organisation like the KKK but you have no problem using an extreme example to judge the whole Islamic world.
You are also incredibly ignorant in so many of your assumptions because you are searching only for things to support your position. It seems to matter not to you that only conservative interpretations of the Quran suggest that wife beating is allowed and that other interpretations suggest that one should leave or separate from her and hitting is not allowed. Those Muslims are dismissed because you are not interested in anything but "winning" .
Impossible to answer just does not compute for you because you live in some binary black and white world just as backwards and unsophisticated as those people you are mocking.
Holy shit, I guess you actually are.
You don't see news articles about the next lynching do you? Hell knowing how you "debate" maybe you do.
You are in absolute denial if you don't see the wife beating issue in Islam....but hey out of sight out of mind. Sure the news is giving out makeup tips for women to cover their bruises instead of hinting at pressing charges....oh wait, it's not illegal to beat your wife (or wives in the case of Islam) in places like Morocco. Yet anything to do with the KKK is pretty much considered the lowest of the low here in America.....but hey YOU know better than I do why? Because you're Beanz and you don't debate you just fucking say it's so.
Pathetic
:vd: .....wife beating in the UK and US is also against the law. Thereby showing what our respective cultures think about that particular kind of violence.
Need I baby step you through this reasoning again? In the west we have Shelters dedicated to helping such women.....but no, no, Beanz says WE'RE the ones with the problem. Let us all go get a good self flagelation in because Islam doesn't have a problem.....the west does.
Fucking incredible how fucking dense you can be
You know Beanz you COULD just YouTube "Wife beating in Islam" and you can see everyone from the Imams to the young men to even the women accepting that kind of violence.....but continue on with your bullshit PLEASE! This shit ain't hidden from the public it's not frowned on, it's not prosecuted, it's a way of life.....but that all goes away because you have your fingers in your ears going "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! "
Asian cultures are probably superior to Western cultures. Stronger sense of family, fewer single mothers, longer life expectancy, higher IQ's, better public transport, ability to manufacture useful products instead of bombs, less violence, less acid attacks, less gangs, less needless police intrusion, more modern infrastructure, healthier people, better diet. It's alright and gets better all the time.
Bangladesh is on what continent? They lead the way in acid attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The lack of value placed on the individual in Asian cultures allows for things like Mao's great leap forward and the Rape of Nanking.
Asians are extremely racist....I know, it's surprising seeing how they all look alike
Where have I said that Islam does not have a problem? All fundamentalist expressions of religion have a problem. You are acting like a simpleton Lyle. The west like has a problem and ironically that problem is that it is in denial. You seem to want me to occupy a position simply so that you can prove your own very shaky synopsis to have merit. From day one on this forum I have said that I do not think multiculturalism works and that I do not think men and women are equal. I know you probably find it hard to wrap your head around that because you have invented a position for me that makes that position incompatible. I have said also on many occasions that there are huge problems with Islam but that does not fit into your neat version of the world and what you and Brockton have reduced me to in your minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I would specify far Eastern Asian cultures. The more developed ones. Also, I don't find the Asians I meet to be terribly racist if racist at all. I hear that more about Japan, but unless I lived there I couldn't really argue if it is true or not. Sometimes English teachers get bitter in a shitty job and think everything is against them, so maybe a bit of that too. You get the odd mostly ignored racist hate organisation, but on the whole they are marginalised as the fruit loops that they are. Nothing more weird than a bunch of middle aged asian men stalking female white English teachers and finding used condoms as a sign that the white devil has been caught in the act. Nah, most people aren't like that. You won't find white people making up excessive prison population numbers out here. The kind of racism where minorities end up in prison is all your own. Speaking of which I would much rather be in prison out here than anywhere near your system.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBangladesh is on what continent? They lead the way in acid attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The lack of value placed on the individual in Asian cultures allows for things like Mao's great leap forward and the Rape of Nanking.
Asians are extremely racist....I know, it's surprising seeing how they all look alike
Beanz: "X, Y and Z"
Lyle: "Why would you say X, Y and Z?"
beanz (ad nauseum): "Where have I said X, Y and Z?"
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It does seem to be basically Lyle not being happy about Muslim wife beating and Beanz arguing that it isn't all Muslims. Either way other cultures are being ignored and many of them are a bit better than what the Western ones have become. You and me Brock have actually taken the time to live in different cultures so we can see a bit more. I cannot speak for Middle Eastern cultures, but do know IQ's are significantly lower, cousin marriage is common, and that they tend to have far too many children whence nobody having a role in an age of mechanisation. There are bright sparks of course and they tend to do much better. It's similar I guess to the British Chavs who are a bit similar to the low IQ, cousin marrying, too many children types. The culture becomes more advanced the more intelligent it gets. IQ goes up, much less interbreeding, less children. Suddenly you are seeing civilisation as it should be. They bemoan the low birthrates in Asia, but you won't need more children in a technological age. The short sighted just do not understand that, they are stuck in an inferior culture mindset. Thus they open their borders, you have 67 languages in the school, everyone is an individual, and the race to the bottom continues as only the poorest have too many children. It also means massive societal division as inequality rises and the poor sub groups blame each other ad infinitum. Meanwhile the superior cultures carry on, let integration happen carefully, and they continue to take over the world.
a dog will always beat a scholar, what an irony though. 7 kids per Kurdish family, Kurds are outbreeding Turks, Erdogan just upped his Islamic beseeching of Turkish girls to "have at least 4 children by Allah, as it is your duty to your husbands and to keep Turkey in tact"
Too many children is a regression and not progress. The key is to not open your borders to them so that they can wage their long term war against your own civilisation. The Brits for example have enough on their plates with the Chavs. You know the type, the guy who didn't take A levels, got suspended from school, drinks strong lager in the day, has 3 kids despite never been married, never held down a full time job more than a year. There are enough of them to try and manage without opening up to 5 children per family Muslim families. It's insanity really. That's a culture in serious trouble.
Oddly enough, I actually have a lot of fondness for British culture. However, I don't relate to nor understand what the country has done to itself. Brexit is an obvious sign that a lot of people feel the same way. I watch documentaries and I am astonished when I hear that schools have 67 languages being spoken. How is that fundable? How does that even work? I teach language, but I am not teaching history to a bunch of people who don't speak English well. Where have they all come from? What are they doing there? Yet if I as a citizen want to come back, I have to prove my income for 2 years for it to be even considered if my wife can stay. What is that? They call it the anti-love law. Yet 67 languages in a school. They got in with many of their parents having no skills! In my household there are a lot of skills and English is spoken to a remarkably refined standard.
Then you see the housing shortages. The only properties being built get sold to Hong Kong investors and the lights are all off at night. What kind of culture is that? Meanwhile under the bridges they build spikes to get rid of the homeless of whom there are more everyday as there are too many people and not enough homes or support. Then you see students put under mountains of debt, yet banks get taxpayer money to bail them out and society pays through austerity. Wages don't go up in a decade. Meanwhile the government sells weapons to despots and says it would use nukes if it has to. The Queen gets hundreds of millions to decorate the palace. Meanwhile the borders remain open and in construction foreign workers living 3 to a room will undercut local workers and save their money which is 5 times what they could earn at home. Where can I go to earn 5 times more? Where?
Then they say no pay increases for teachers, there is no money. The health system collapses. Not enough money they protest. Meanwhile they cut corporation tax further and pledge to make the UK into a tax haven. It's a society with one or two problems and the lack of planning, insight or vision is testament to a culture in terminal decline. Yet they could vote for Corbyn, but nah, now 20 points down in the polls. They know he is soft on the old migration thing too and after all he just won't use a nuke. Silly man.
The good things about British culture/lifestyle are as follows:
a) sunday cricket
b) beautiful weather all year round and clean air (even the short days; perfect)
c) some of the best food in the world
d) some of the best hospitals/educational facilities
e) not so much these days as the music is all crap, but when I was younger music was great (most mainstream music has always sucked though)
f) piers, beaches and gulls
And that's about it really. I used to enjoy reading a paper for instance, but now all the papers are appalling. So, a lot of things I used to like I really don't like anymore. I am free from the programming and nothing can zap me. The BBC makes me feel physically ill. The monarchy actually makes me throw up. Blair makes my blood boil. Yet these are all meant to be happy clappy British culture things. They are rotten.
Alex Jones was one of the first people all the way back starting in 1996 he started saying that there was a couple of globalist people led by George HW Bush Senior and some of those others that we're going to start a new world order. Alex Jones was correct about everything and he was well ahead of his time. The first time I heard him I thought he was just being dramatic but I did I realize little by little over the years that he was always calling the shots six months to a year before things would actually happen or even be admitted grudgingly in the mainstream news. The United States in the United Kingdom have been destroyed and taken down by Design with a globalist agenda any kind of a feeling of nationalism has been demonized and so he turned into a narrative which says that it is racist to feel patriotic and it is prejudiced to feel nationalistic. The study narrative in the study drumming and drumming of this into people's minds over the last 20 to 25 years has really convinced people that protecting your borders and requiring English to be spoken is somehow some sign of white privilege and that we must now reverse all of the abusive of the past 500 years and allow anyone and everyone to come in no matter what they can contribute or not. You just can't make this s*** up
I have not changed my position which is why you could not address one single point in my post. You have went from seeing America as " a highly aggressive and hostile country made up of battling factions " to hating anyone who has not sold out like yourself. You have gone from counselling Lyle about just sticking up for the Republicans, because the democrats are corrupt, to buying wholesale into the right wing myth of rich tax avoiding bozos being miraculous job creators. You used to moan about there being too much hate in America and now you seem disappointed there isn't more.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You have both invented this political and ideological position for me to occupy so that you can justify an extreme binary unsophisticated view of the world in which there are only ever two choices.
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Originally Posted by GandalfAn American cannot call out Korea for plastic surgery considering Michael Jackson and Joan Rivers as two examples of complete freaks. What's with all the weird orange people and elongated shiny teeth as well. Does Trump think he is in a Kpop band with all that orange makeup going on? Does he leave great orange stains on the pillow?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustPlastic boobs, CALF-REDUCTIONS (SICKO KOREANS DO THIS---WOMEN HAVE 1/2 THEIR CALF MUSCLES CUT OUT!!! HIGHEST SUICIDE RATE IN THE WORLD OVER THERE, SICK SICK KOREAN SOCIETY) MAKE ME SICK, as does any kind of cosmetic plastic surgery unless it is needed due to an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo i am not, i am just pointing out the contradiction in their society which occurs to some extent in all societies. Women are celebrated for having plastic boobs and huge asses over here in the west.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYEAH BUT if all them lady judges can get smacked around by their hubbies at night, then who really cares about their paychecks? Are you saying HIGH PAID BATTERED WIVES ARE DESIRABLE, MASTER? That is like saying HERE TAKE THIS $1000/HOUR JOB, NOW IT'LL BE OK TO GET DOMESTICALLY ABUSED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What I was saying sir, was merely that I'd prefer seeing a cashier who doesnt get beaten than a judge who gets beaten. As I am quite sure you would prefer as well. BTW @Master I got that written consent form, here it is:
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
agree with it all still. where is any contradiction? you actually need $8,000 per month before taxes to survive here, I was wrong. A 1-bedroom apartment here costs $2,700 per month, that is British Pounds 2,500 per month mate, that is what me and my wife are paying right now --- curious to now if anybody at all on this forum has to pay that much of their income JUST FOR RENT EACH MONTH? ANYBODY??? IS ANYBODY PAYING MORE THAN 2,500 POUNDS PER MONTH??? GOD I HOPE NOT :shocking::shocking::shocking::shocking::shocking: :shocking::shocking::shocking::stars::stars::stars ::stars::furious2::furious2::furious2::furious2::d ontknow:
Not so.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzI have not changed my position which is why you could not address one single point in my post. You have went from seeing America as " a highly aggressive and hostile country made up of battling factions " to hating anyone who has not sold out like yourself. You have gone from counselling Lyle about just sticking up for the Republicans, because the democrats are corrupt, to buying wholesale into the right wing myth of rich tax avoiding bozos being miraculous job creators. You used to moan about there being too much hate in America and now you seem disappointed there isn't more.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You have both invented this political and ideological position for me to occupy so that you can justify an extreme binary unsophisticated view of the world in which there are only ever two choices.
You say "Why focus on wife beating in Islam?" and "We have a problem with wife beating in the west"....because Beanz old boy, it's 1 issue, 1 issue handled by 2 cultures in a very different manner.
In the West, wife beating is not something that is accepted in everyday life. It is prosecuted, people who do it are looked down upon, they are the scum of the earth.
In Islam there's a different attitude towards it. It's not against the law in Morocco to beat your wife. It's a great example of where our cultures diverge.
You have been told this again and again and again....but you fail to see the difference.
You want to bring up the KKK....alright well then you must understand that the KKK is not a group that is welcomed by, supported by, or celebrated by the average person in the west. And yet again you fail to acknowledge this and it's funny how you STILL don't see A) the difference in cultures or B ) that the example you bring up, the KKK has absolutely 0 effects on the argument at hand. You are just being contrary and I'm tired of trying to teach you how fucking wrong you are. You don't understand...ok well you can't make a horse climb a tree
Why are you so obsessed with the KKK? I actually posted that you DONT have to be a member of the KKK to be a white Christian wife beater. You don't respond to posts or engage in debate Lyle, you invent the oppositions position so that you can prove yourself right and make up a load of bollocks to discredit my credibility without actually reading or responding to anyone in a manner even slightly resembling a debate. You are a joke and it's getting old now.
Since I've been here beanz has been a staunch supporter of violence against women in the Middle EastQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNot so.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzI have not changed my position which is why you could not address one single point in my post. You have went from seeing America as " a highly aggressive and hostile country made up of battling factions " to hating anyone who has not sold out like yourself. You have gone from counselling Lyle about just sticking up for the Republicans, because the democrats are corrupt, to buying wholesale into the right wing myth of rich tax avoiding bozos being miraculous job creators. You used to moan about there being too much hate in America and now you seem disappointed there isn't more.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You have both invented this political and ideological position for me to occupy so that you can justify an extreme binary unsophisticated view of the world in which there are only ever two choices.
You say "Why focus on wife beating in Islam?" and "We have a problem with wife beating in the west"....because Beanz old boy, it's 1 issue, 1 issue handled by 2 cultures in a very different manner.
In the West, wife beating is not something that is accepted in everyday life. It is prosecuted, people who do it are looked down upon, they are the scum of the earth.
In Islam there's a different attitude towards it. It's not against the law in Morocco to beat your wife. It's a great example of where our cultures diverge.
You have been told this again and again and again....but you fail to see the difference.
You want to bring up the KKK....alright well then you must understand that the KKK is not a group that is welcomed by, supported by, or celebrated by the average person in the west. And yet again you fail to acknowledge this and it's funny how you STILL don't see A) the difference in cultures or B ) that the example you bring up, the KKK has absolutely 0 effects on the argument at hand. You are just being contrary and I'm tired of trying to teach you how fucking wrong you are. You don't understand...ok well you can't make a horse climb a tree
And Islam
He HAS, and quite frankly, he has found a not-so-masked excuse to "play the piper", and never gets out of his Rocking chair to actually fucking PAY.
In the West wife beating is not an acceptable action. How are you still not getting that? In Islam wife beating is acceptable ie Muhammad did it and Allah doesn't forbid it and governments don't arrest people for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I've invented nothing. I've given a straight take and you are only riled up because you have been throttled in this debate.
Squeal all you want, you got done in this debate and you know it.
That's where you went wrong B Man.Quote:
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Honestly can't believe you boys are still knocking these same arguments around.
Without reading I know who has said what. The funny thing is Beanz, Gandalf, Lyle might argue but all come from a place of decency and respect. Walrus too if he is still here (although he is a total wind-up that will say anything to poke the bear). Lyle has the polar opposite of my political views yet I've always had nothing but respect for him. He has logic and compassion. Even though he is a Republican cunt (;)) . My point being that opposing views are no problem. The problem is, and always was, anti-intellectualism. Hence why I can't take much of a part here anymore. It's a caricature of what it was.
Can we all agree that this is an amazing song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxtfdH3-TQ4
No offence to anti-zionists meant.
It's a topic I mostly stayed out of until later on, but did join in to say that there are aspects of Asian cultures I find superior to my own. However, in saying that there are aspects that disgust me, but I think issues of corruption, cronyism, and dumb jingoism are just as prevalent back home too so I couldn't call that any better or worse. One thing that is definitely worse here is the driving. People don't indicate and if you do indicate they don't let you in. Another is the nonsense concept of face. When you are out of order you should say sorry, but people refuse to lose face, especially older people mired most heavily in corruption or deceit of some kind. I end up having to take legal action against them and the argument that 'this is how we do it here' dissipates in the face of legality which proves that it isn't really the culture at all. Bow to everyone. Nope, never have, never will. Same back home though, Memphis refuses to apologise. I don't see any need to intellectualise what for me at least is an experiential reflection on having lived in two very distinctly different cultures.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GandalfIt's a topic I mostly stayed out of until later on, but did join in to say that there are aspects of Asian cultures I find superior to my own. However, in saying that there are aspects that disgust me, but I think issues of corruption, cronyism, and dumb jingoism are just as prevalent back home too so I couldn't call that any better or worse. One thing that is definitely worse here is the driving. People don't indicate and if you do indicate they don't let you in. Another is the nonsense concept of face. When you are out of order you should say sorry, but people refuse to lose face, especially older people mired most heavily in corruption or deceit of some kind. I end up having to take legal action against them and the argument that 'this is how we do it here' dissipates in the face of legality which proves that it isn't really the culture at all. Bow to everyone. Nope, never have, never will. Same back home though, Memphis refuses to apologise. I don't see any need to intellectualise what for me at least is an experiential reflection on having lived in two very distinctly different cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I think what ryanman is saying in a roundabout way is that I'm right, and everybody else is wrong.
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Originally Posted by GandalfIt's a topic I mostly stayed out of until later on, but did join in to say that there are aspects of Asian cultures I find superior to my own. However, in saying that there are aspects that disgust me, but I think issues of corruption, cronyism, and dumb jingoism are just as prevalent back home too so I couldn't call that any better or worse. One thing that is definitely worse here is the driving. People don't indicate and if you do indicate they don't let you in. Another is the nonsense concept of face. When you are out of order you should say sorry, but people refuse to lose face, especially older people mired most heavily in corruption or deceit of some kind. I end up having to take legal action against them and the argument that 'this is how we do it here' dissipates in the face of legality which proves that it isn't really the culture at all. Bow to everyone. Nope, never have, never will. Same back home though, Memphis refuses to apologise. I don't see any need to intellectualise what for me at least is an experiential reflection on having lived in two very distinctly different cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
You've encapsulated my thoughts there Miles. You're a pragmatist. Of course there are aspects of cultures that are bad. Yes, cultures are different, there are strengths and weaknesses, I just can't stand hyperbole and dogma and it seems that's what this site has become.
@ryanman don't be coming up in this piece being all logical and whatnot
Also u saying this place is a caricature of what it was is how I feel about The Rolling Stones they have become their own cover bandQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
What kind of pathetic failed attempt is that to use some kind of jingo or lingo that you have never used in the past six months and now that you are addressing Ryan man you suddenly want to come out with that shit*? Where the hell do you get the gall to come across like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNIof46ITm0
....things that make you go "Some cultures are better than others" ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A55VoC6Co-8
Hillary Clinton "We came, we saw, he (Gaddafi) died! [cackle]"
....aaaaaaand some cultures are better than others....but wait, wait, Beanz thinks you can't fucking tell if one culture is better or worse than another.....do you think slavery is a GOOD thing? Does your society currently practice slavery in the #currentyear? Then how/why can't you tell if some cultures (which do not have slavery) are better than the cultures which DO have slavery??? How do you fail to logic that out???
Also #thanksObama for the regime change in Libya....the first black President allows for slavery to get back in fashion lul, muh ironyz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXIM3nkn0Kk
ATHEIST Bill Maher "Some religions are better than others".......and I hate Bill Maher most of the time, but boy oh boy is he right on this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh8mGlO8bIU
....but I mean you really CAN'T tell if some cultures are better than others, I mean how could you even begin to tell which culture is better than another????
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