Antonio Margarito is the real deal and I'm just a hatin fool for not recognizing.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Margarito is a truely dangerous animal.
How this will match up with 2008's terminator, Miguel Cotto I'm not sure.

Margaito put on a fearsome display, taking monstrous shots, seemingly unaffected and plundering on to a huge victory.
(I'm very glad he beat Cintron.)

Cotto however showed something different for me. He showed boxing ability, as well as explosive power.

If and when they fight, I fully expect a thriller, but I do feel that Cotto, although smaller, shades a victory.

Two very entertaining fights.

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I agree with you Donny. Whilst I agree Margarito looked like a monster I actually felt Cotto put on the better performance.

Cintron we always knew folds under pressure and I don't think his punching power is quite as good as people claim. Margarito took not even one 10th of the flush shots that Jesse Feliciano took, he was literally eating them up for 10 rounds and Cintron still couldn't put him down.

Although the Gomez fight was a mismatch Gomez has been able to hang with much bigger men than Cotto. I certainly didn't expect him to get blown away and beaten down as easily as Cotto did.

and it wasn't just power punching it was a perfect complete boxing performance. It reminded me a lot of Floyd's clinical dismantling of Sharmba Mitchell in his first fight at welter, just faster to the punch, more accurate, sharp stinging jabs.

It was a faultess performance against an overmatched but still game and solid opponent.

If/when they do get it on I'm expecting one hell of a fight.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

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I am not trying to an asshole about the boxing thing, but in the gym you find pretty quickly that how Cotto holds his hands(beside his head) he eats uppercuts all day, Mosley when he threw the few he did landed them, Judah landed them when he threw them, even Gomez landed an uppercut or two in their fight even though he couldn't land anything else Torrest ripped Cotto a new one with uppercuts. That IMO is the only punch that really lands on Cotto effectively because the right hand over top is usually hitting his glove, and or the top of his head which doesn't really hurt, and only really skilled boxers can time it so they hit Cotto just as he's throwing his punches, Mosley was able to do that, but I doubt Margarito has the skill to do this.

AS for Mayweather vs Cotto what is Cotto going to do if he isn't going to work through Mayweather's defense? Hatton had a unique ability to land punches as well, also was a good body puncher, and Mayweather totally limited Hatton's connect % to only 18. Both Oscar and Hatton had way more footspeed than Cotto which allowed them to keep Floyd against the ropes.
Now where it gets interesting is Mayweather is able to avoid punches no matter who he is fighting he figures how to avoid being hit very often. Judah was hitting him early with 57% of his powerpunches, but by the end it was down to 29%, and in the last round he missed almost every power punch he threw. I think earlier on Mayweather needed to get used to Judah's speed and the fact Mayweather was closing the distance when usually its the other fighter.
Now what makes this interesting is that Cotto has been able to land solid shots on everyone he has faced. He has faced slick fighters in Judah, Malignaggi, and Mosley(sort of), and he has been able to hit them all early. Now none of these guys are particularly great defensively though Mosley used to have a lot better defense when he was younger, Judah doesn't switch up his defense so its easy to figure him out because he doesn't use a lot of head movement, and he never really brought his right hand up to block Cotto's jab. Maglinaggi probably had the best defense of all three of them at this point in their careers and Cotto hit him easily. However Mayweather is a whole other story, he is the only one who has better timing than Cotto, and speed, and didn't crack under the pressure(like Judah who had the other two components). Mayweather loves going backwards unlike two of these three fighters, and Paulie fought aggressively against Cotto because, I assume, of the early cut. This leads me to believe Mayweather who has faced a lot more good offensive fighters will find a way to negate Cotto's offense, because while Cotto has one of the best offenses today Mayweather has one of the three best defenses ever(along with Pep and Whitaker)

Have some rep on me JT,nice to know that you see something in Tony and aren't afraid to admit. You've slated that guy alot in the past,as have most posting in this thread so it's cool to see.

Amat and P4P King,I disagree that we didn't see anything new. Margarito was jabbing quite a bit. His handspeed looked slightly quicker(still not great but trust me,it was better than usual) and he was using head movement after he realised Kermit would just keep pumping the jab.He also started quciker. Those are improvements imo. And sure he was favourite to win but after round 1,I was getting nervous!He adjusted well to get onto the inside.

Someone with slick movement and good jab would cause him problems but I wouldn't discount him. The 2 guys that have beante him:Williams(threw 1,2000 plus punches,was taller,bigger) and Santos(Tony should have gotten the decision,Santos was MUCH bigger), you're not going to find 2 guys like that at WW.

I actually did notice the head movement, he did a bit of bobbing and weaving and thought he intergrated that pretty well on the inside. And I was wrong, he can punch short on the inside but I think the smaller Cotto will still be able to slip and block most everything and punch in between Margarito's long punches.

I don't remember Torres throwing one single uppercut. He threw right crosses and left hooks because Cotto's hands come down to block uppercuts as he's moving in. Sure Judah caught him with an uppercut and Mosley might have a time or two but did Cotto go down? If you have Cotto hurt, and you try to put him away you're still going to get nailed in return.

Ricky Hatton = Junior Welterweight


Miguel Cotto hits people and doesn't care WHERE only that the punch causes damage....if you can stop a guy with a punch to the shoulder then you've shown me Floyd's defense shouldn't bother you.

Hasn't everyone Cotto has fought cemented their right hand to their chin and hasn't the majority of those fighters ended their fights with Cotto with broken jaws and disfigured faces?

Unlike anyone else Floyd has fought Miguel Cotto doesn't rely on ONE PUNCH he's going to beat you up AND he's not going to as Ricky Hatton and De la Hoya did abandon the body attack....he's never going to do it and Floyd has never been attacked to the body the way Cotto is going to attack him.

Sure you have a right to see what Floyd offers but don't just pooh pooh what Miguel Cotto can do to Floyd Mayweather.

Lyle,

You are a one trick pony and a pathetic one at that, you personify the typical loudmoth ignorant pinnacle of Douchebaggery...

You are on everyone that fights Mayweathers nutz, as some bionic hero, you say the same stupid shitt everytime, no wonder why you are such a political whoremonger since your message is as unoriginal, misleading and empty as your political views and ideas...

Here is a sample of Lyles drivel everytime he analyzes Mayweathers opponent or potential opponent.. Note its the same exact Bullshit with just a different name inserted to the begining of the sentence

"No one is gonna attack Mayweathers body like this guy"

"No one is gonna manhandle Mayweather like this guy"

"This guy is gonna crack Mayweathers Defense"

"Mayweather is a fragile fighter":rolleyes:....... as much as this statement is ridiculous and as so removed from reality, its an indictment on your lack of knowledge


So Einstein in your infinite wisdom you fail to realize the facts of Floyds skill..

1) Is in ring intelligence and pre-gameplan execution is 2nd to none not to mention his ability to adapt and adjust is on par with some of the Greats of the past 30 or so years.

2)His defense is top 5 of the past 30 years on par with Whitaker, Wright, Hopkins and Toney.. And none of these guys are on the level of transitioning their defense to offense as good as Floyd, to the degree that he is the quickest and most agile out of the bunch

3) His accuracey combined with speed dont make him a concussive puncher, but he is a sharp stinging puncher that makes ALL of his opponents leary of opening up as the fight progresses for fear of what Floyd will return with... Floyd busts his opponents up throwing half the amount of punches..

4) Floyds fast accurate punches get through holes in defense as well as defenses because of his pinpoint accuracey

5) Floyd is as resilient as they come he has displayed mental and physical toughness time and time again...

6) Floyd DOES NOT rely on athletic ability and reflexes 1st. He relies on technical savy and fundemantal brilliance foremost and then supplements with athletic ability, so if he wasnt at his physical peak for a fight it wouldnt be detrimental to him ALA Roy Jones.

7) Floyds boxing pedigree speaks for itself

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

I was impressed with tony as well, Mostly because he continued to plow forward while getting hit a couple of times each round by some big shots from cintron, tony was just absolutly convinced that no matter how hard kermit may hit they were not going to affect him, you heard some pretty big oooooohhhhh's at my house from time to time but tony just smiled and threw.....i think he may be a little to slow to beat cotto but other than that who knows what could happen.

Well look both Teath and Jt i not going to say PBf is not a great he is somewhere in top 25 or 30 and he beat some good names and really is fighting over his best weight. But i think Cotto while find a way to end his reign if they ever fight personal i think the fight wont happen for a few years. I think some how Oscar at 35 going to put one last performance and beat Floyde some and then they rematch. So by 2010 or 2011 i think Cotto while have fixed his flaws enough to beat Floyde i wish Cotto the best hope he wins the fight but i going to have to wait to see it but i can wait and it will happen and hope Cotto does not let me done hasn't dispointed me yet.

Margarito is a Dangerous fight for anyone, i disliked him before because of his fans but once i started watching more of his fights i gained respect for him

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

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How many fighters finish their careers unbeaten and on top?


Would or would not Miguel Cotto be the most menacing puncher Floyd Mayweather Jr. has ever fought?


I am glad you can notice some similarities in my posts about PBF but he WILL lose, I've always said Cotto was going to be tough for him and even if he was able to beat Cotto he will have been in an actual fight for once in his pathetic career.


JT sure Floyd has skill but he SPLIT DECISIONED Oscar De la Hoya...it took him 11 Rounds to stop Ricky Hatton a JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT. So you keep right on thinking that Mayweather is the greatest of all time.....all I want is for that punk ass to fucking challenge himself...I'd like to see him get his loud mouth wired shut by Cotto but hey just fighting the guy shows Mayweather actually has SOME guts....but I guess we'll just have to watch Floyd vs De la Hoya II the fight everyone wants to see :beat:

Tony IS the most proven welterweight in the world and so deserves his shot at the best fighter in the world.

im sure the Cotto fans will probably disagree with me but Margarito has done far more to earn a shot at Mayweather than Cotto has.
what true welterweights has Cotto faced?
Quintana ,Mosley (a natural lightweight really) and that farce against Gomez.
Margarito deserves a shot a lot more than Miguel does but nobody is coming on websites arguing Tony`s case the way they do with Cotto. i think thats what mayweather was talking about when he said "nobody knows Margarito".
from a financial perspective what he said makes perfect sense if you think about it.The Margarito v Cotto fight is a perfect match to build up the winners profile going into a match with Floyd.
personally i think Tony will be too rugged and strong for Cotto.
i also think he`s the only welter out there that would have a chance with Floyd.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

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How many fighters finish their careers unbeaten and on top?


Would or would not Miguel Cotto be the most menacing puncher Floyd Mayweather Jr. has ever fought?


I am glad you can notice some similarities in my posts about PBF but he WILL lose, I've always said Cotto was going to be tough for him and even if he was able to beat Cotto he will have been in an actual fight for once in his pathetic career.


JT sure Floyd has skill but he SPLIT DECISIONED Oscar De la Hoya...it took him 11 Rounds to stop Ricky Hatton a JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT. So you keep right on thinking that Mayweather is the greatest of all time.....all I want is for that punk ass to fucking challenge himself...I'd like to see him get his loud mouth wired shut by Cotto but hey just fighting the guy shows Mayweather actually has SOME guts....but I guess we'll just have to watch Floyd vs De la Hoya II the fight everyone wants to see :beat:

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are you for real??????
mayweathers "pathetic career"
Mayweather cleaned up the junior lightweight and lightweight divisions in his career.what divisions has Cotto proved himself the best in?????
NONE
this Cotto worshipping is becoming a fucking joke.
he`s proven nothing yet in his career.
do you honestly think Cotto is a more "menacing " puncher than De La Hoya????? are you sick in the fucking head??????
if Bob Arum thought Cotto could beat Mayweather the fight would`ve happened by now. watch how Cotto struggled with Demarcus Corley............and even Judah. Mayweather would box his ears off

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Originally Posted by ds91

Margarito is a Dangerous fight for anyone, i disliked him before because of his fans but once i started watching more of his fights i gained respect for him

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Fair enough bro,good to see you like him now though.

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Originally Posted by barrykil1980

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag

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How many fighters finish their careers unbeaten and on top?


Would or would not Miguel Cotto be the most menacing puncher Floyd Mayweather Jr. has ever fought?


I am glad you can notice some similarities in my posts about PBF but he WILL lose, I've always said Cotto was going to be tough for him and even if he was able to beat Cotto he will have been in an actual fight for once in his pathetic career.


JT sure Floyd has skill but he SPLIT DECISIONED Oscar De la Hoya...it took him 11 Rounds to stop Ricky Hatton a JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT. So you keep right on thinking that Mayweather is the greatest of all time.....all I want is for that punk ass to fucking challenge himself...I'd like to see him get his loud mouth wired shut by Cotto but hey just fighting the guy shows Mayweather actually has SOME guts....but I guess we'll just have to watch Floyd vs De la Hoya II the fight everyone wants to see :beat:

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are you for real??????
mayweathers "pathetic career"
Mayweather cleaned up the junior lightweight and lightweight divisions in his career.what divisions has Cotto proved himself the best in?????
NONE
this Cotto worshipping is becoming a fucking joke.
he`s proven nothing yet in his career.
do you honestly think Cotto is a more "menacing " puncher than De La Hoya????? are you sick in the fucking head??????
if Bob Arum thought Cotto could beat Mayweather the fight would`ve happened by now. watch how Cotto struggled with Demarcus Corley............and even Judah. Mayweather would box his ears off

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Then you are a Joke already by worshiping Floyd

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Originally Posted by amat

I actually did notice the head movement, he did a bit of bobbing and weaving and thought he intergrated that pretty well on the inside. And I was wrong, he can punch short on the inside but I think the smaller Cotto will still be able to slip and block most everything and punch in between Margarito's long punches.

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Cotto's defence is good but he's no Pernell. He eats shots and he'll be eating Tony's shots too. Listen,he'll try to box but when you have a freocious Mexican chasing after you,in a Mexico v PR title fight,and you're getting tagged time and time again,defence will go out of the window.:D:D I hope Marg jumps on him from the opening round,makes him fight a war. Remember,even if Cotto does box,Tony is so much bigger and longer,Cotto will still be blocking long and looping right hands!

Number 1 weapon for Tony=UPPERCUT!! Cotto is open to it,the way he places his hands. Judah has shown it too.