Joe Calzaghe???????

You can literally break down ANY fighter's record like that. People do it all the time. Hindsight is one thing, sometimes we go a bit overboard with it. Lacy may have been overrated, Calzaghe was still the underdog in that one.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well there's a reason RJJ and Hopkins didn't want to fight him....they'd have to go to England which is 100% the reason HBO and the US didn't care about him.


Sorry if you don't like it but RJJ and Hopkins brought the $$$$$ to the table, Joe was talented but he didn't bring what those guys brought to the table.

All those guys had options of fighting proper big name talent and they didn't do it....it could have been a golden age of boxing, it's very sad

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Actually they had an agreement to fight Hopkins. It was practically all done and dusted and then Hopkins suddenly demanded double of what he had initially agreed to. So that's why the fight didn't happen sooner.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

45-0 And what??? come on fill me in tell me what i'm missing after years of watching i still think he is CRAP!!
In 45 fights these are the best he has fought.

Chris Eubank:
Who came in at short notice had to lose 11lbs in 7 days Eubanks was past his best but still gave Calzaghe a good fight one of his toughest in fact but this did show us what Calzaghe was made of.

Robin Reid:
Who in my eyes beat him alot of people thought so as well he should have at least got a rematch.

Omar Sheika:
Lets have it right this was a guy who got beat by Tony Booth for god sake.

Richie Woodhall:
A good fighter won a WBC world title at super middle but he nearly got beat by Glenn Catley many thought he did get beat.Then he got beat by Markus Beyer and lost his world title.Woodhall was a good fighter but just good not outstanding.

Charles Brewer:
This guy lost twice to Sven Ottke he had 8 losses before he got to Calzaghe and Calzaghe had some rough times in this fight and he should have KO'd Brewer in my opinion for it to be a impressive win.

Byron Mitchell:
A fairly good puncher won a world title vs Frankie Liles TKO11 but then went on in his first defence and drew with Bruno girard then lost it in his 2nd defence in a rematch vs Gerard.In his fight before Calzaghe lost vs Sven Ottke so it was a safe bet for Calzaghe to win.Calzaghe got dropped heavy but came back to KO mitchell a good win.

Jeff Lacy:
IBF Super Middleweight champ but well overrated and overhyped.He had good power but relied on it he had struggled vs Omar Sheika so more reason for Calzaghe to fight him.Since his loss to Calzaghe Lacy has still failed to impress vs Tsypko and Manfredo so proves to a certain degree he was overhyped.

Mikkel Kessler:
39-0 a good solid fighter number 2 in the world WBC/WBA world champ.A good competetive fight hat off to Calzaghe for this win.

Bernard Hopkins:
43 year old former middleweight champ ranked number 1 at light heavy i think Hopkins won as do many others .

I think calzaghe is overrated slightly i think people get caught up in the he's made 22 world title defences.yes he made 22 defences but went alot of easy routes to do it so could he beat a peak Hopkins or Jones the answer is NO!;);D

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Eubank came in at short notice? this is a myth as Eubank was already fighting on that date, Collins ducked Calzaghe so Eubanks stepped in at 11days notice.

Chris Eubank had already been in camp for 8wks before that and on his lifestory dvd states it was his "last good camp"

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Yes he was set to fight Mark Prince at Light heavy i know this but rather than losing 4lbs to 175lbs he had to lose 11lbs to 168lbs the fact Eubank went upto Cruiser after shows he had weight problems.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Just read Calzaghe punked out again and postponed the Jones fight. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out completely like he did against Glen Johnson

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Why would he punk out of a gimmie? Jones had no chance.

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Jones had no chance PLEASE!! are you sure your not Joe Calzaghe;D Roy Jones has every chance its Roy Jones.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...04_468x343.jpg

Cmon Joe!!!

Pick on someone your own age!!

;D

I prefer these pics

Yeah but those are old nws because my pic has the last laugh because it happened last and whats even worse is that Hopkins threw him self on the floor like a whining kid being told off by his dad and thats basicly what happened, Hopkins was looking for mercy all over the place;D;D;D;D

Ha ha I win

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Originally Posted by ross

To be honest, Joes style of fighting isnt too pleasing on the eye, he does throw alot of arm punches, he doesnt put his back in to them.

Personally I dont particularly find his fights exciting.

What I do like about him is how he can piiss all over very good fighters with that style, his workrate and desire at his age is amazing, he takes a good shot and roars back.

What would be interesting is if they were the same size, Calzaghe v Mayweather, Floyd is hard to catch but lays on the ropes alot, especially against aggressive fighters, Joe would keep throwing those combinations and Floyd wouldnt keep out the way, hed make Floyd work like none has and catch him like no one has.

Joe has a style that could potentially beat anyone in history, no one has come close yet even fighting good fighters in his late 30's hes dominating like he was 10 years younger.

He demands respect and what piisses me off is all the gay boys that went on about how big and ripped Lacy and Kessler were and they were sure to win because of it, its not a body building contest its fighting and no one can match Joe in a scrap.

Jones is just a name to add to his resume, if he fights Pavlik id be concerned for him, especially if it were at super middle because his last Two fights would have been against old has beens who cant fight hard any more and both would have been at light heavy, I think hed struggle to make the weight and may struggle finally at his age with the pace. On the other hand it may have allowed him to stay that bit fresher, not struggliong with the weight and fighting young contenders.

Calzaghe on his day outworks and stops Pavlik late after being hurt a couple of times;D Pavlik is good no doubt but Joe is proven quality;)

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To bring Mayweather into this is dumb... yo just said Calzaghe throws arm punches... you think Floyd wont stand toe to toe with an armpuncher:confused: In your fantasy matchup Floyd on paper would have the speed, power and accuracy advantage along with the quickness and light years ahead on defense... Not to mention Floyds straight right hand would land time after time, while Floyd sits in the pocket ducking and rolling Calzaghes punches.. Floyd would shiit all over him

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Originally Posted by ross

To be honest, Joes style of fighting isnt too pleasing on the eye, he does throw alot of arm punches, he doesnt put his back in to them.

Personally I dont particularly find his fights exciting.

What I do like about him is how he can piiss all over very good fighters with that style, his workrate and desire at his age is amazing, he takes a good shot and roars back.

What would be interesting is if they were the same size, Calzaghe v Mayweather, Floyd is hard to catch but lays on the ropes alot, especially against aggressive fighters, Joe would keep throwing those combinations and Floyd wouldnt keep out the way, hed make Floyd work like none has and catch him like no one has.

Joe has a style that could potentially beat anyone in history, no one has come close yet even fighting good fighters in his late 30's hes dominating like he was 10 years younger.

He demands respect and what piisses me off is all the gay boys that went on about how big and ripped Lacy and Kessler were and they were sure to win because of it, its not a body building contest its fighting and no one can match Joe in a scrap.

Jones is just a name to add to his resume, if he fights Pavlik id be concerned for him, especially if it were at super middle because his last Two fights would have been against old has beens who cant fight hard any more and both would have been at light heavy, I think hed struggle to make the weight and may struggle finally at his age with the pace. On the other hand it may have allowed him to stay that bit fresher, not struggliong with the weight and fighting young contenders.

Calzaghe on his day outworks and stops Pavlik late after being hurt a couple of times;D Pavlik is good no doubt but Joe is proven quality;)

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To bring Mayweather into this is dumb... yo just said Calzaghe throws arm punches... you think Floyd wont stand toe to toe with an armpuncher:confused: In your fantasy matchup Floyd on paper would have the speed, power and accuracy advantage along with the quickness and light years ahead on defense... Not to mention Floyds straight right hand would land time after time, while Floyd sits in the pocket ducking and rolling Calzaghes punches.. Floyd would shiit all over him

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I agree that bringing Floyd into this is unecessary. But since he already is, Floyd would beat Joe...

Cal is a good fighter. But he could of been great

Calzaghe does throw alot of arm punches but why dyou think people havent walked through them before?

They are constantly getting tagged, Floyd would be rolling around waiting for a counter but Joe dont stop, which is what I was getting at, also if Joe is such a week puncher, how come he made Bernard crawl around on all fours bitching to the ref and millions of viewers like a little sissy looking for a way out?

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Originally Posted by ross

Calzaghe does throw alot of arm punches but why dyou think people havent walked through them before?

They are constantly getting tagged, Floyd would be rolling around waiting for a counter but Joe dont stop, which is what I was getting at, also if Joe is such a week puncher, how come he made Bernard crawl around on all fours bitching to the ref and millions of viewers like a little sissy looking for a way out?

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Because Bernard is 44 and couldnt keep a 12 round pace with John Ruiz, Hopkins compubox punch out put is amoungst the lowest, you realize that right? So Nard OVEREMBELISHED a beltline shot to slower an already turtle paced fight... Cmon Ross I like Joe like the next guy, but Joe dosent like in rough in there and isint dazzling on the inside now is he? Dosent do well with a little duffing up on the inside does he? Exactly!!! Floyd would rough him up make it messy on the inside, duck and roll and then deep in the fight when Joe is frustrated Mayweather would drown him in the deep waters... Matter of Fact Joe just squeaked out a win over as guy that proved he cant keep pace for 4 years now, if Nard was a few years younger and fresher Joe was getting the 0 period!!! So Mayweather who is as well rounded and technically sound as theres been a fighter in the last 50 years would keep pace and just out class Calzaghe on every front in theis fight..

Congrats for winding me up enough to bite on this ridiculous matchup:biteit: ;D

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Originally Posted by ross

Calzaghe does throw alot of arm punches but why dyou think people havent walked through them before?

They are constantly getting tagged, Floyd would be rolling around waiting for a counter but Joe dont stop, which is what I was getting at, also if Joe is such a week puncher, how come he made Bernard crawl around on all fours bitching to the ref and millions of viewers like a little sissy looking for a way out?

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Hopkins was never hurt by that shot he new it was a close fight so he tried to get Calzaghe deducted points.You Carnt tell me if Hopkins was winning easy or had Calzaghe hurt and he got hit with the say shot he would of reacted like that cause there is no way he would of.

Mayweather is one of the fittest fighters ever i remember Calzaghe been fucked in last 3 rounds vs Kessler he said it himself after the fight.