P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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02-09-2009, 09:54 PM
amat

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

So they're fighting in baseball stadiums? How many of those stadiums you listed have had a fight in the past 5 years?
02-09-2009, 09:55 PM
Trainer Monkey

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by amat

We get it, you are important. With that said, what does a list of stadiums where they don't hold boxing cards have to do with P4P lists having a bias towards Americans?

Yankee Stadium
Held fights?
Yes
The Spectrum in Philly
Held fights?
Yes
List could go on endlessly
Yes
If there are more fighters,and more venues that can hold fights,sooner or later you will fight in the States
Fenster wants exclusion of every fighter who's fought in the states,well guess where the money is,in the states
02-09-2009, 10:00 PM
amat

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

Endlessly? Really? Let's see you name more then 5 of the stadiums you listed that have had cards within the last 10 years. That's the only way anything you posted is at all relevant to the discussion.
02-09-2009, 10:01 PM
amat

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

Using those rules, Yankee Stadium wouldn't count. Neither would any of those. Please this is nonsense dribble ruining a fairly interesting topic.
02-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Fenster

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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You asked a simple question,does the United States have more stadiums then the rest of the world,you got your answer
And its pretty conclusive

;D

I never asked that question. I never even mentioned stadiums. Venue!!! That was YOUR word - Venue!!!

Venue could be a small club, or sports hall, or pub (bar)

You donut ;D

Considering you were talking about title fights,I was pretty sure that was a safe assumptive
I mean it was supposed to be about P4P champions,I dont think their fighting in bars
And if they are,there's a trainer somewhere crying

They're not fighting in stadiums either.

Most big fights in America are held in Vegas.. maybe New York - MSG.. Los Angeles. Especially if involving a non-American.

How many fights per year are held in US stadiums? ;D
02-09-2009, 10:05 PM
Fenster

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by amat

Endlessly? Really? Let's see you name more then 5 of the stadiums you listed that have had cards within the last 10 years. That's the only way anything you posted is at all relevant to the discussion.

I missed this. I guess he's already looking for the answer ;D
02-09-2009, 10:07 PM
Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by amat

Endlessly? Really? Let's see you name more then 5 of the stadiums you listed that have had cards within the last 10 years. That's the only way anything you posted is at all relevant to the discussion.

MSG would be in there,just recently scheduled

2009-05-07Main Street Armory, Rochester, New York, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-05-02MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-05-01Blue Horizon, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-25The Village, Little Rock, Arkansas, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-11Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-11Woodlands Resort, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-11City Armory, Lynchburg, Virginia, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-10Morongo Casino Resort & Spa, Cabazon, California, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-04Texas, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-04Masonic Temple, Norfolk, Virginia, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-04-03Amelia Island, Fernandina Beach, Florida, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-28Red & Jerrys, Denver, Colorado, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-28Grand Casino, Hinckley, Minnesota, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-28Harlingen Field, Harlingen, Texas, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-27United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-27A La Carte Event Pavilion, Tampa, Florida, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-21Playboy Mansion, Beverly Hills, California, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-21Civic Center, Pensacola, Florida, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-21Ramada Inn, Saint Joseph, Missouri, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-16Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States http://static.boxrec.com/view.gif

2009-03-14Dorchester Armory, Dorchester, Massachusetts, United States
02-09-2009, 10:11 PM
amat

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

Back to the topic at hand, when did Calzaghe and Hatton crack the P4P lists? Surely Joe made it before fighting Hopkins and Hatton never fought stateside until he fought Collazo. I'm not sure if he was on the P4P lists by that time or not but I'm fairly confident he was.

Abraham doesn't really have a case to be on the P4P list because the only guy he has beaten that opens any eyes is Miranda. Ivan Calderon was at the 10 spot in the January issue which I have right now. He may have fought in the US before but he's definitely a Puerto Rico based fighter.

Actually, I'll go ahead and list the guys in the Ring 100 who haven't fought in America or who at least aren't American based.

10. Calderon
18. Abraham
19. John
20. Kessler
23. Hasegawa
32. Naito
35. Haye
37. Gonzalez
43. Pongslakek
44. Sakata
45. Erdei
48. Valero

Those are it for the top 50. I think most of those are about right but there are some American fighters who probably are to high up on the list like Pavlik at 11.
02-09-2009, 10:16 PM
Fenster

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Fenster wants exclusion of every fighter who's fought in the states

What does that even mean? Seriously
02-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Trainer Monkey

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Fenster wants exclusion of every fighter who's fought in the states

What does that even mean? Seriously

Every time we pointed out a foreign based fighter is in the top ten,that would be 8 out out of the top 10 by the way,you claimed it didnt count because theyd fought in the states at some point
02-09-2009, 10:30 PM
Fenster

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Fenster wants exclusion of every fighter who's fought in the states

What does that even mean? Seriously

Every time we pointed out a foreign based fighter is in the top ten,that would be 8 out out of the top 10 by the way,you claimed it didnt count because theyd fought in the states at some point

Well it doesn't count. My question was spefically about fighters without ties to America. I can see the word "based" confused you. But i did explain a billion times what i meant.

The answer is just ONE fighter.
02-09-2009, 10:33 PM
Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Fenster

What does that even mean? Seriously

Every time we pointed out a foreign based fighter is in the top ten,that would be 8 out out of the top 10 by the way,you claimed it didnt count because theyd fought in the states at some point

Well it doesn't count. My question was spefically about fighters without ties to America. I can see the word "based" confused you. But i did explain a billion times after what i meant.

The answer is just ONE fighter.

And the answer is,with bigger venues,larger paychecks,and more fighters to choose from,sooner or later your coming to the states
Which Ive said a dozen times now
02-09-2009, 10:34 PM
Fenster

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by amat

Back to the topic at hand, when did Calzaghe and Hatton crack the P4P lists? Surely Joe made it before fighting Hopkins and Hatton never fought stateside until he fought Collazo. I'm not sure if he was on the P4P lists by that time or not but I'm fairly confident he was.

Abraham doesn't really have a case to be on the P4P list because the only guy he has beaten that opens any eyes is Miranda. Ivan Calderon was at the 10 spot in the January issue which I have right now. He may have fought in the US before but he's definitely a Puerto Rico based fighter.

Actually, I'll go ahead and list the guys in the Ring 100 who haven't fought in America or who at least aren't American based.

10. Calderon
18. Abraham
19. John
20. Kessler
23. Hasegawa
32. Naito
35. Haye
37. Gonzalez
43. Pongslakek
44. Sakata
45. Erdei
46. Wlad
47. Vitali
48. Valero

Those are it for the top 50. I think most of those are about right but there are some American fighters who probably are to high up on the list like Pavlik at 11.

Hatton after beating Tszyu and Calzaghe when he beat Lacy.

I was just trying to show how crap P4P is. But really it just highlighted America is the daddy of boxing. Without a connection to the States a fighter will never get recognition.

Fair enough. That's the way she goes... most top fighters want to fight in the States anyway.
02-09-2009, 10:45 PM
Fenster

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Every time we pointed out a foreign based fighter is in the top ten,that would be 8 out out of the top 10 by the way,you claimed it didnt count because theyd fought in the states at some point

Well it doesn't count. My question was spefically about fighters without ties to America. I can see the word "based" confused you. But i did explain a billion times after what i meant.

The answer is just ONE fighter.

And the answer is,with bigger venues,larger paychecks,and more fighters to choose from,sooner or later your coming to the states
Which Ive said a dozen times now

Stop with the bigger venues crap. Germany, Britain, Japan they fight in front of huge audiences. MOST big fights happen in Vegas.

Ive shown you DON'T need to fight in the States to be P4P ranked.

America has the glamour the glitz and pizzazz, so naturally will produce popular fighters who inturn will become P4P rated. ;)
02-10-2009, 12:54 AM
antimoron

Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Well it doesn't count. My question was spefically about fighters without ties to America. I can see the word "based" confused you. But i did explain a billion times after what i meant.

The answer is just ONE fighter.

And the answer is,with bigger venues,larger paychecks,and more fighters to choose from,sooner or later your coming to the states
Which Ive said a dozen times now

Stop with the bigger venues crap. Germany, Britain, Japan they fight in front of huge audiences. MOST big fights happen in Vegas.

Ive shown you DON'T need to fight in the States to be P4P ranked.

America has the glamour the glitz and pizzazz, so naturally will produce popular fighters who inturn will become P4P rated. ;)

i think UK can create their own P4P list... why bother US P4P list if you don't agree with it.. Lets get real here, lots of big fights happen in america, im not saying happening only in america. If you dont fight in US how are they going to rate you? same goes to UK and other countries. So go on create your UK P4P myth list nobody is going to stop you guys anyway.. stop this America bias crap..

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