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    Default P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?

    What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?

    Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.

    John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?

    What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?

    Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.

    John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?

    What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?

    Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.

    John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.

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    Can you find a non-American based fighter from that?

    For example.. Hatton beat Tsyzu in England but Tsyzu was an American based fighter and P4P no.3

    I'm trying to find any non-American based fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?

    What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?

    Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.

    John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.

    Help?
    The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
    Can you find a non-American based fighter from that?

    For example.. Hatton beat Tsyzu in England but Tsyzu was an American based fighter and P4P no.3

    I'm trying to find any non-American based fighter.
    I gave you the link mate you search yourself im too lazy at the moment

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....

    Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...

    Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....

    Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...

    Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
    No i said American based not specifically Americans.

    Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.

    I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....

    Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...

    Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
    No i said American based not specifically Americans.

    Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.

    I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
    Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....

    Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...

    Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
    No i said American based not specifically Americans.

    Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.

    I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
    Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
    Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.

    Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.

    Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had been DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.

    There's an inconsistency here, no?
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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post

    No i said American based not specifically Americans.

    Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.

    I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
    Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
    Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.

    Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.

    Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had ben DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.

    There's an inconsistency here, no?

    Pavlik also beat top rated at the time..Edison Miranda....

    Taylor had 2 shitty performences against Junior Middleweights...Small ones at that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post

    No i said American based not specifically Americans.

    Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.

    I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
    Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
    Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.

    Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.

    Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had ben DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.

    There's an inconsistency here, no?
    Im pretty sure Jermain Taylor was still in the top 10 P4P.

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
    Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....

    Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...

    Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
    No i said American based not specifically Americans.

    Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.

    I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
    And you never will... Unless there is a Promoter(s) to come out of "Asia" to tie up with "American based" Promoter(s) on a permanent basis. I think it makes perfect sense in a world economy but who is going to do it?

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    Well.... there are currently only 2 US fighters in the Top ten lists. So I don't know where you're getting bias toward Americans.

    Certainly Chris John should be ranked above JMM, if you accept that he lost I believe he'll get some recognition if he beats Juarez convincingly or gets a decisive win in a good fight. One thing for sure if he wins, is he'll be setup to make a lot more money in his next fight. Isn't that what it's really all about? Even the Philippino crowd will back him since there isn't a way for him

    Is there really a non-bias way to rank a P4P fighter with active fighters? You could have a polling system like in American College Football, but then it wouldn't be authoritative to those that come up with P4P list so then they wouldn't like it.

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Well.... there are currently only 2 US fighters in the Top ten lists. So I don't know where you're getting bias toward Americans.

    Certainly Chris John should be ranked above JMM, if you accept that he lost I believe he'll get some recognition if he beats Juarez convincingly or gets a decisive win in a good fight. One thing for sure if he wins, is he'll be setup to make a lot more money in his next fight. Isn't that what it's really all about? Even the Philippino crowd will back him since there isn't a way for him

    Is there really a non-bias way to rank a P4P fighter with active fighters? You could have a polling system like in American College Football, but then it wouldn't be authoritative to those that come up with P4P list so then they wouldn't like it.
    I don't know where you got that from either.

    I never said that.
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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Well.... there are currently only 2 US fighters in the Top ten lists. So I don't know where you're getting bias toward Americans.

    Certainly Chris John should be ranked above JMM, if you accept that he lost I believe he'll get some recognition if he beats Juarez convincingly or gets a decisive win in a good fight. One thing for sure if he wins, is he'll be setup to make a lot more money in his next fight. Isn't that what it's really all about? Even the Philippino crowd will back him since there isn't a way for him

    Is there really a non-bias way to rank a P4P fighter with active fighters? You could have a polling system like in American College Football, but then it wouldn't be authoritative to those that come up with P4P list so then they wouldn't like it.
    I don't know where you got that from either.

    I never said that.
    My Bad, I guess... I just read the thread title as a statement, rather than a question for the content of the thread, I apologize...

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Well.... there are currently only 2 US fighters in the Top ten lists. So I don't know where you're getting bias toward Americans.

    Certainly Chris John should be ranked above JMM, if you accept that he lost I believe he'll get some recognition if he beats Juarez convincingly or gets a decisive win in a good fight. One thing for sure if he wins, is he'll be setup to make a lot more money in his next fight. Isn't that what it's really all about? Even the Philippino crowd will back him since there isn't a way for him

    Is there really a non-bias way to rank a P4P fighter with active fighters? You could have a polling system like in American College Football, but then it wouldn't be authoritative to those that come up with P4P list so then they wouldn't like it.
    I don't know where you got that from either.

    I never said that.
    My Bad, I guess... I just read the thread title as a statement, rather than a question for the content of the thread, I apologize...
    No worries mate.

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