Kid thunder

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Originally Posted by smashup

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Originally Posted by kid_thunder

to pace my self and self control and making my shots tighter

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Sorry KT but after seeing that shower of shite i'm gonna have to call you out:cool:

I'll crush you in all departments and want to smash you to the canvas and badly hurt you.
Can you arrange for Trainer Monkey to fly me over asap so i can fight you?

In the meanwhile you should change your fighting name to "Skid Thunder" as thats all you'll be remembered for after i've schooled you (Skid being the marks you'll leave on the back of your shorts);)

Bring it:cool:

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;D

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You wasn't "training" Kid Thunder when he won those fights ;D

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But I was training him for this fight,which everybody who saw it thought was the best fight of his career.
Which any idiot could see he won.
Of course your not any idiot,your work harder at it

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I must be an idiot because I have no idea what that means.

So you improved Kid Thunder to lose again. Well done.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by kid_thunder

i go to stacy gyms 3 times a week

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may I suggest upping that. Several pros I know go 5 times a week as well as a number of amateurs. Not every workout has to be a killer but there is always something to be improving on. It's still early you could for example take things right down to basics and focus for a month - yes a whole month on the jab. Circle left/right/pivot/moving forward/moving back. Watch vids of good jabbers, watch their footwork. When do they get hit? Do they drop or loop their arm as they return it? etc etc etc.

Shadowbow it, work it on the bag, on the pads, constructive sparring.

I'll collect my 10% now;D

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He really cant go more often then that.
But his crosses and jabs are much tighter now,and he actually slips shots side to side rather then allways trying to lunge backwards.
He knows I still want him to stop cocking for those wild hooks,and Im not pleased that he's afraid to use the uppercut,but Rome wasnt built in a day. We're making progress in a non-ideal situation,and thats my main concern is to constantly make progress. As long as I see him progressing,Im happy with what Im seeing. If he stagnates,or regresses,he knows he'll hear it from me.

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

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Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

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Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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That just isnt true is it? I didnt see one straight punch at all, admitedly I didnt watch vid two but Im going to stick my neck out and say his technique wont have improved any. As Ive said before I can see that he's trying to be a bit more measured and put some thought into what he's trying to do but lets be honest here, he doesnt have a jab, he doesnt have a cross, he has a series of swipes coming from his hip and he switches stance so frequently he's making Naz jelous.

I could understand the straight punches going out the window after a few mins and he starts to tire, but they were never there?

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

In a sense I think he needs to go back to the drawing board. There's no sense in teaching him when to use an uppercut etc if he can't actually throw a proper one in the first place.

In my opinion he needs to work on purely just the execution and movements of his techniques and then worry about how to apply them.

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Its not that he cant throw one,he just doesnt have confidence in it yet,your sort of saying what Ive been stressing with him. Lets get your punches correct,and then put it in to sequence.
The jab and the cross are fixed,his hook is better,but it still needs work,when he's tired or mad he lapses back to old Andrew,and cocks it.And he still doesnt trust his upercuts or his clinches.
Its a process,yeah if I had him here all the time it would go faster,but I cant help that.I can only deal with the situation in front of me. He has improved dramatically,which means he's doing as he's told. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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That just isnt true is it? I didnt see one straight punch at all, admitedly I didnt watch vid two but Im going to stick my neck out and say his technique wont have improved any. As Ive said before I can see that he's trying to be a bit more measured and put some thought into what he's trying to do but lets be honest here, he doesnt have a jab, he doesnt have a cross, he has a series of swipes coming from his hip and he switches stance so frequently he's making Naz jelous.

I could understand the straight punches going out the window after a few mins and he starts to tire, but they were never there?

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Maybe you should have watched it,he's throwing a nice tight cross now,and he's turning over and snapping off his jab now,which he never did before,he did throw a couple of very nice crisp hooks,but when he started gassing out he'd revert on the hook and start cocking it again.
He also has started working up and down,which he never did before either. He also threw a couple of nice straight rights,which he also never did before.
Not everything landed,but the progress is there

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

[. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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Not to dog on Andrew, as I have nothing against him, but this also is not true?

this is his boxrec listing. As you can see, most of the people he has fought were 0-0-0 or similar, with a few having more experience, a few with limited, but largely he has more experience then most he faces.

So seeing as being pro is your measurin stick of a fighter, he surely has more 'pro' experience then most everyone he fought.

Andrew Hartley

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

[. I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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Not to dog on Andrew, as I have nothing against him, but this also is not true?

this is his boxrec listing. As you can see, most of the people he has fought were 0-0-0 or similar, with a few having more experience, a few with limited, but largely he has more experience then most he faces.

So seeing as being pro is your measurin stick of a fighter, he surely has more 'pro' experience then most everyone he fought.

Andrew Hartley

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He had no ammie experience at all,he had no Toughman experience at all,he had no training at all,before I got him his gameplan was to go in throwing haymakers and hope for the best.
We were kind of lamenting this the other night,if I could have gotten him 5 years ago,his record wouldnt look like when the train met the stalled car on the tracks.
But you build with what you have,and in the 3 months I've had him,he's a different fighter entirely,he actually looks like a real boxer now,not just a slugger who hopes it all works out

Even so he still has more experience then most everyone he fought. Including their amateur records, toughman and pro. Can you just admit it was an incorrect statement?

Let's look at his last 4 fights.

McClure. 0-4 4 KOs Did he have more experience? This was Andrews 17th pro fight. His 5th year as a professional boxer.

David Dumas. 2-0. Did he have more experience? This was Andrws 16th pro fight.

Charlie Zelenoff. LOL Charlie. Well aside from being a street fighter of epic proportions and all around russian badass, I think it is safe to say he didn't have much experience. Andrew's 15th fight.

Blaine Burke. 1-3. his only win, Hartley. This was Andrews 14th pro fight.

Are you starting to get the picture? So can you just admit he often has more experience, and not in fact less? Can you admit you made an incorrect statement? Like once. ever?

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Even so he still has more experience then most everyone he fought. Including their amateur records, toughman and pro. Can you just admit it was an incorrect statement?

Let's look at his last 4 fights.

McClure. 0-4 4 KOs Did he have more experience? This was Andrews 17th pro fight. His 5th year as a professional boxer.

David Dumas. 2-0. Did he have more experience? This was Andrws 16th pro fight.

Charlie Zelenoff. LOL Charlie. Well aside from being a street fighter of epic proportions and all around russian badass, I think it is safe to say he didn't have much experience. Andrew's 15th fight.

Blaine Burke. 1-3. his only win, Hartley. This was Andrews 14th pro fight.

Are you starting to get the picture? So can you just admit he often has more experience, and not in fact less? Can you admit you made an incorrect statement? Like once. ever?

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Dumas,I didnt have him for
Burke,I didnt even know him for
Everybody says at worst it should have been a draw,and I do mean at worst considering it was McClures home town
Do you ever check your facts,ever?
Getting tossed in the ring with no training against a better fighter,doesnt exactly count as experience,unless you count have your head pounded in as experience. I guess it is an experience,but not one youd like to repeat

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Even so he still has more experience then most everyone he fought. Including their amateur records, toughman and pro. Can you just admit it was an incorrect statement?

Let's look at his last 4 fights.

McClure. 0-4 4 KOs Did he have more experience? This was Andrews 17th pro fight. His 5th year as a professional boxer.

David Dumas. 2-0. Did he have more experience? This was Andrws 16th pro fight.

Charlie Zelenoff. LOL Charlie. Well aside from being a street fighter of epic proportions and all around russian badass, I think it is safe to say he didn't have much experience. Andrew's 15th fight.

Blaine Burke. 1-3. his only win, Hartley. This was Andrews 14th pro fight.

Are you starting to get the picture? So can you just admit he often has more experience, and not in fact less? Can you admit you made an incorrect statement? Like once. ever?

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Dumas,I didnt have him for
Burke,I didnt even know him for
Everybody says at worst it should have been a draw,and I do mean at worst considering it was McClures home town
Do you ever check your facts,ever?

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yes I do check my facts. it is facts I used to call out your for a more pleasant saying, umm, made up stuff.

You stated exactly

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I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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To which I answered that is not true. With you know. Facts.

lol

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by Tilt A Whirl

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Even so he still has more experience then most everyone he fought. Including their amateur records, toughman and pro. Can you just admit it was an incorrect statement?

Let's look at his last 4 fights.

McClure. 0-4 4 KOs Did he have more experience? This was Andrews 17th pro fight. His 5th year as a professional boxer.

David Dumas. 2-0. Did he have more experience? This was Andrws 16th pro fight.

Charlie Zelenoff. LOL Charlie. Well aside from being a street fighter of epic proportions and all around russian badass, I think it is safe to say he didn't have much experience. Andrew's 15th fight.

Blaine Burke. 1-3. his only win, Hartley. This was Andrews 14th pro fight.

Are you starting to get the picture? So can you just admit he often has more experience, and not in fact less? Can you admit you made an incorrect statement? Like once. ever?

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Dumas,I didnt have him for
Burke,I didnt even know him for
Everybody says at worst it should have been a draw,and I do mean at worst considering it was McClures home town
Do you ever check your facts,ever?

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yes I do check my facts. it is facts I used to call out your for a more pleasant saying, umm, made up stuff.

You stated exactly

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I understand his discomfort on the inside,he's used to being the smaller and more inexperienced guy.

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To which I answered that is not true. With you know. Facts.

lol

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Apparantly you dont
Was he the more or less experienced guy against Oison Fagan?
Its almost like something like that would create bad habits that need to be broken.
I mean Fagan was only an amatuer champion and Andrew had no amateur backround at all.
I mean that might be something that would throw you off your game plan. If they had bothered to give him a game plan.
Dig a little deeper next time before you mouth off.

Listen, quoting one fighter hardly makes your point.

It just further proves that you have no interest in dealing with truth. It isn't a dig against Andrew, he does what he does. But let's face it, he isn't facing more experienced people. Simple. If you read my statement (if you can even read) you'd see how I broke it down in simple terms for you.

Now ask yourself why it is that person after person calls you on the things you say. I am guessing somewhere in your mind you figure it is because every other person is wrong, and you are correct. Again and again, over and over, everyone is wrong, but you are right. Do you know what the odds are for that? Given the many subjects and number of different people?

Even in the face of facts, logic, reason, you still go on...unable to EVER admit a slip up or incorrect statement. If it isn't a mental illness, it is surely the greatest case of denial in the history of human existance.

This is what any arguement or debate IMO breaks down to with you. I am no longer going to try to talk to you, for it is pointless. But when I get in these situations I will just post this video clip of the degradation of an arguement, to save us all a lot of time and finger tip wear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znowCx_y7nU

good day, sir.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Listen, quoting one fighter hardly makes your point.

It just further proves that you have no interest in dealing with truth. It isn't a dig against Andrew, he does what he does. But let's face it, he isn't facing more experienced people. Simple. If you read my statement (if you can even read) you'd see how I broke it down in simple terms for you.

Now ask yourself why it is that person after person calls you on the things you say. I am guessing somewhere in your mind you figure it is because every other person is wrong, and you are correct. Again and again, over and over, everyone is wrong, but you are right. Do you know what the odds are for that? Given the many subjects and number of different people?

Even in the face of facts, logic, reason, you still go on...unable to EVER admit a slip up or incorrect statement. If it isn't a mental illness, it is surely the greatest case of denial in the history of human existance.

This is what any arguement or debate IMO breaks down to with you. I am no longer going to try to talk to you, for it is pointless. But when I get in these situations I will just post this video clip of the degradation of an arguement, to save us all a lot of time and finger tip wear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znowCx_y7nU

good day, sir.

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Good day indeed,almost everybody except for Charlie had more sparring experience,and more legit experience,and definitly more training then he had.
He finally showed up for a fight,ready to fight,won the fight,and got hosed on the cards
Hey mule boy,your cart is waiting to be pulled.
Face it Sahib,before I got him Andrew just got thrown to the wolves,like he was a piece of meat.
You could celebrate the fact that somebody decided to change that,or you could act,exactly like you are.
Your momma must be proud that she didnt give you any morals