Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
i think roach is trying to bypass.............if pac-man fights mosley, and sugar shane does a good job which he would even if he loses..........if shane beats pac, thats the mayweather fight gone, if he beats mosley but is a tricky fight then that may give mayweather a blueprint to work with........roach is just trying to avoid theses facts
Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
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osncoll_0716
- Wait a second what exactly does pound for pound mean? means weight for weight who is better right???if pac is a natural 135lb and mayweather is a natural 147lb, wouldnt a 142 be a good catch weight??? if Mayweather never leaves 147lb and even beats pac he would only be the best 147lb boxer ever...but not a p4p great.....
Yeah 142 is a great weight for Manny, he just has a shite before the weigh in and he is there. For a natural 147 fighter it's much bigger deal, how do they lose the extra weight safely?
Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
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Howlin Mad Missy
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SaddoBoxer
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You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.
It's Mosley who's been chasing the Pacquiao fight... PAC's coach said it, he's just protecting his boxer... No need for PAC to fight Mosley at 147... PAC might just wait for the winner of PBF-JMM...
He mentioned fighting Mosley before the Hatton fight.
If there is no need for Pac to fight him why say it's an option? If it's not an option say there is no way they'll fight not talk up some crap about a stupid 'catchweight'. Another thing if Roach gave a shit about other boxers he wouldn't insist on them dropping weight to fight Pac.
By rabbiting on in the public eye about it he is putting pressure on fighters to sign.
They should stick together and go tell Roach/Pac to screw themselves. If the other big names refuse these conditions Pas gets frozen out at true world level. They need to realise it takes two big names to make a fight legit.
Wanna play hardball? Come sign with Missy. I'll look after a fighter;D
Mosley still an option for PAC if he will agree to come down at 142 but it seems Mosley can't do it then I think Mosley is now excluded as a possible PAC opponent...
Cotto already declared that he can go down to 144 to fight PAC so maybe Team PAC can consider that catchweight instead of having Cotto go down to 140 as what Roach was originally asking...
PBF and JMM will be fighting at 143 so it's a no brainer that the winner of PBF-JMM can also fight PAC at 143...
Still lots of options for PAC...
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JT Rock
Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category
If PAC wants to get his 7th division title then maybe he can get it from the winner of Urango-Berto fight... Remember Hatton "beat" Urango and PAC KO'ed Hatton cold... Plus Urango is super slow... Hatton "beat" Collazo and Collazo did good against Berto and PAC KO'ed Hatton cold...;)
PAC has good chances against either Urango or Berto...;D I'm really hoping Urango upsets Berto... :lolhaha:
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Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
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SaddoBoxer
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Howlin Mad Missy
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SaddoBoxer
It's Mosley who's been chasing the Pacquiao fight... PAC's coach said it, he's just protecting his boxer... No need for PAC to fight Mosley at 147... PAC might just wait for the winner of PBF-JMM...
He mentioned fighting Mosley before the Hatton fight.
If there is no need for Pac to fight him why say it's an option? If it's not an option say there is no way they'll fight not talk up some crap about a stupid 'catchweight'. Another thing if Roach gave a shit about other boxers he wouldn't insist on them dropping weight to fight Pac.
By rabbiting on in the public eye about it he is putting pressure on fighters to sign.
They should stick together and go tell Roach/Pac to screw themselves. If the other big names refuse these conditions Pas gets frozen out at true world level. They need to realise it takes two big names to make a fight legit.
Wanna play hardball? Come sign with Missy. I'll look after a fighter;D
Mosley still an option for PAC if he will agree to come down at 142 but it seems Mosley can't do it then I think Mosley is now excluded as a possible PAC opponent...
Cotto already declared that he can go down to 144 to fight PAC so maybe Team PAC can consider that catchweight instead of having Cotto go down to 140 as what Roach was originally asking...
PBF and JMM will be fighting at 143 so it's a no brainer that the winner of PBF-JMM can also fight PAC at 143...
Still lots of options for PAC...
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Links?
PBF JMM at 143 please?
Cotto agreeing to 144 please?
Just links thankyou SB.
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SaddoBoxer
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Howlin Mad Missy
He mentioned fighting Mosley before the Hatton fight.
If there is no need for Pac to fight him why say it's an option? If it's not an option say there is no way they'll fight not talk up some crap about a stupid 'catchweight'. Another thing if Roach gave a shit about other boxers he wouldn't insist on them dropping weight to fight Pac.
By rabbiting on in the public eye about it he is putting pressure on fighters to sign.
They should stick together and go tell Roach/Pac to screw themselves. If the other big names refuse these conditions Pas gets frozen out at true world level. They need to realise it takes two big names to make a fight legit.
Wanna play hardball? Come sign with Missy. I'll look after a fighter;D
Mosley still an option for PAC if he will agree to come down at 142 but it seems Mosley can't do it then I think Mosley is now excluded as a possible PAC opponent...
Cotto already declared that he can go down to 144 to fight PAC so maybe Team PAC can consider that catchweight instead of having Cotto go down to 140 as what Roach was originally asking...
PBF and JMM will be fighting at 143 so it's a no brainer that the winner of PBF-JMM can also fight PAC at 143...
Still lots of options for PAC...
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Links?
PBF JMM at 143 please?
Cotto agreeing to 144 please?
Just links thankyou SB.
link --> PBF JMM at 143
link --> Cotto agreeing to 144
No worries mate...
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Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
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JT Rock
Pac and Roach are showing what a bunch of pussies they really are, what a gotdam joke.
If you want to fight these guys than fight them at their weight where they are their strongest and best. Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.
When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.
So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.
Also if Roach was saying what a phenom Pac was at 147 with speed and combos, why fear Shane and Cotto then? I smell piss and its coming from roaches pants! By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.
Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category
Your such a loser JT, do you ever make sense?:rolleyes: Find a new forum please, where someone cares what you say! How can you make those claims, Berto hasn't even been tested yet? What an idiot!
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levi#1BoxingFan
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JT Rock
Pac and Roach are showing what a bunch of pussies they really are, what a gotdam joke.
If you want to fight these guys than fight them at their weight where they are their strongest and best. Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.
When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.
So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.
Also if Roach was saying what a phenom Pac was at 147 with speed and combos, why fear Shane and Cotto then? I smell piss and its coming from roaches pants! By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.
Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category
Your such a loser JT, do you ever make sense?:rolleyes: Find a new forum please, where someone cares what you say! How can you make those claims, Berto hasn't even been tested yet? What an idiot!
dude you shouldn't be talkin too much cause you're on that list as well, haven't seen one semi-intelligent post from you
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ElTerribleMorales
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levi#1BoxingFan
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JT Rock
Pac and Roach are showing what a bunch of pussies they really are, what a gotdam joke.
If you want to fight these guys than fight them at their weight where they are their strongest and best. Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.
When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.
So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.
Also if Roach was saying what a phenom Pac was at 147 with speed and combos, why fear Shane and Cotto then? I smell piss and its coming from roaches pants! By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.
Saddoboxer you crack me up... you honestly think Pac would pick Bertos pocket for a 7th championship? You must be joking !! pac is all wrong for Berto, Andres hands are signifigantlly faster and more powerful. Pac would last 6 with Berto before getting blown out. Berto would outmuscle and outclass pac in every category
Your such a loser JT, do you ever make sense?:rolleyes: Find a new forum please, where someone cares what you say! How can you make those claims, Berto hasn't even been tested yet? What an idiot!
:lol::lolhaha::biglaugh::lolololol: :LMAO::rofmaoal: hahahahahahaha
Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
If it's not safe for a former 135 pounder to fight at 142 then I guess it also not safe for a former 106 pounder to fight at 147lbs.
I guess it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.:)
Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.
Re: Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"
yeah Roach , building a legacy on beating up old former champions, raw decisions to JMM and asking older fighters to drop down to a catch weights....... and asking lighter fighters to move up in weight .... enough already of this bullshit manilpulation !! Fight top names at their best weights !!!
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Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.
lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!
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Pavlik
Manny becoming a 7 division champ will make him one of the most envied fighter of all time.
lol .... The most shameful thing in life is beating up old men !!
What's your comment if the 30 year old PAC will try to get his 7th division title from 28 year old Urango or from 25 year old Berto? ;)
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osncoll_0716
- Wait a second what exactly does pound for pound mean? means weight for weight who is better right???if pac is a natural 135lb and mayweather is a natural 147lb, wouldnt a 142 be a good catch weight??? if Mayweather never leaves 147lb and even beats pac he would only be the best 147lb boxer ever...but not a p4p great.....
I should ban you for such stupidity.
