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I most definitely retract my statements of you not giving PAC credit, but i stand by the fact i think you go out of your way to Hate on him any chance you get...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
look up my posts and in not one did i say that Margarito ruined Cotto, only thing i said was that Cotto's corner didn't help the matter much and that if he ever hopes to bounce back he better get new people around himQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Pacquiao and camp chose Clottey less than 2 weeks before Mosley-Berto was to take place. Berto pulled out only days before the fight in wake of the Haiti quake. All Pacquiao had to do was wait for what they thought would be the fight and had Shane won they could have entered into negotiations. They knew damn well whoever would have won Mosley-Berto would be the best available opponent. Floyd didn't even look elsewhere until Pacquiao made it clear he was signing on to fight someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerManny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngbloodanyone want to elaborate on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by match
Lol liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
50-50 split - Random Blood Tests - Let's get it on. Simple
(IF Mayweather can beat Mosley and when Pac beats Clottey)
If Manny was to wait for the winner of the Mosley-Berto fight, when do you think their bout would be? Manny is running for political office in his country hence would be unable to fight four to six months after the Mosley-Berto bout. That's why he's trying to have a fight in March. He wants to stay as active as possible. So why wasn't Floyd waiting to see who the winner of that bout will be? Why were Paulie Malignagi or Matthew Hatton even considered as possible opponents?Quote:
Originally Posted by matchPacquiao and camp chose Clottey less than 2 weeks before Mosley-Berto was to take place. Berto pulled out only days before the fight in wake of the Haiti quake. All Pacquiao had to do was wait for what they thought would be the fight and had Shane won they could have entered into negotiations. They knew damn well whoever would have won Mosley-Berto would be the best available opponent. Floyd didn't even look elsewhere until Pacquiao made it clear he was signing on to fight someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerManny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
My question to you, who then would have been the best opponent for Manny Pacquiao after the collapse of his megafight with Mayweather?
Pacquiao only has himself to blame and Bob Arum as well.
Everything was on the table and what did he refuse? Drug tests! DRUG TESTS!!!
And then his promotional team tried to make Mayweather look bad by quickly making a fight a day later lol.
Mayweather waited... and got Mosley. And now he is holding the cards.
Mayweather is in control now whether Arum/Pacquiao like it or not and they only have themselves to blame.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I really hope the PPV figures for Pac/Clottey bomb because Pacquiao needs to be hit where it hurts the most, namely the pocket. He screwed up big time with the Mayweather shenigans and deserves to pay the penalty.
Pacquiao needs to stop letting Arum run his career too, he told Arum "make this go away" when the drug test thing came up. And Arum did, he made EVERYTHING go away. Including his reputation.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I really hope the PPV figures for Pac/Clottey bomb because Pacquiao needs to be hit where it hurts the most, namely the pocket. He screwed up big time with the Mayweather shenigans and deserves to pay the penalty.
It doesn't matter what either fighter does in pvv unless Floyd is beats Mosley and there is no guarantee that Pacquiao is going to beat Clottey.
Listen, the two camps are not going to be able to come to agree as much as we all want to see the fight. It's not going to happen.
The best-case scenario for a clear p4p and welterweight champion (and for boxing) to emerge from this mess is if Mosley beats Mayweather and Pacquiao beats Clottey because there are no obstacles to a Mosley-Pacquiao fight and it is a mega event.
On another note, Mayweather-Mosley is a more significant fight than Pacquiao-Clottey. No doubt about it. It would be very surprising if Pacquiao-Clottey outsells Mayweather-Mosley.
not really lol Mosley already proposed the fight to Pacquiao and he tucked ass and ran from the fight, i wouldn't be shocked if he went ahead and retired after the Clottey fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I say if anyone deserves more it would be Floyd. I think the statement is just a ploy to get Pac to agree to what he walked away from. Floyd is the bigger draw, let's be honest, Marquez is not a PPV draw, Miguel Cotto is. Mayweather had higher numbers against common opponentsQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela HoyaQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:
Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000
TOTAL : 1,064,000
Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:
Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000
TOTAL: 1,110,000
Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000
TOTAL: 1,975,000
Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya
Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000
TOTAL: 2,100,000
The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.
But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:
Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill
Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k
De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill
But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.
If Pacquiao & Mayweather do win their respective matches, don't we want them to meet and settle once & for all who really is the P4P king? And we know that neither of them would give in to a lesser purse. It should either be a 50/50 or a 55/45, 60/40 with the remaining amount going to the winner. Why should we insist that one fighter gets more? We won't be getting a cut from their share. So what benefit would we get from favoring a higher split for a certain boxer?
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Originally Posted by miron_langThat might be true. but its is a well known fact the Hatton has zero loss at 140. or to word it differently Hatton was undefeated at 140 prior to facing Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Hatton was so overrated; always was fed 2nd rate opponents. He was a cash cow with that huge following, and his style was perfect for MP -just like all of the opponents Arum has picked since MM II.
This make me laugh, I guess your right maybe Pac should retire after IF he cant deal with Floyd, but remember Cotto boxed and beat Mosley the Pacquiao beat Cotto this you mean that Pacquiao will duck Mosley?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really lol Mosley already proposed the fight to Pacquiao and he tucked ass and ran from the fight, i wouldn't be shocked if he went ahead and retired after the Clottey fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
No doubt Floyd and Pac should face each other. This what people wants, no Mosley/Margarito-Pac nor Floyd-whoever. This is really sad if aint gonna happen
What I meant is that a Floyd-Pac fight ain't happening. It would be great for boxing but it just ain't happening while a Pacquiao-Mosley fight would definitely happen. Mosley beating Floyd sets up a Mosley-Pacquiao show-down, which would clear up the p4p and welterweight questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPHThis make me laugh, I guess your right maybe Pac should retire after IF he cant deal with Floyd, but remember Cotto boxed and beat Mosley the Pacquiao beat Cotto this you mean that Pacquiao will duck Mosley?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really lol Mosley already proposed the fight to Pacquiao and he tucked ass and ran from the fight, i wouldn't be shocked if he went ahead and retired after the Clottey fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
No doubt Floyd and Pac should face each other. This what people wants, no Mosley/Margarito-Pac nor Floyd-whoever. This is really sad if aint gonna happen
As an aside, Doug Fischer in his blog at RingTV below said that Floyd negotiated for an immediate rematch with Shane should Shane win. Is there any truth to this?
"Hi Dougie,
Long time reader here. First off, let me say that I sincerely hope I am wrong and you are right about Shane beating Floyd. I'm a big Mosley fan and have been for years. That said, speed kills - and I think people will be surprised at how slow Floyd will make Shane look. My greatest wish is for Shane to grind him down and stop him, but it just ain't happening. When's the last time you saw anyone able to consistently get to Floyd's body? Do you think it's because nobody's thought of that or tried? As much crap as the guy gets (most of it deserved), Money's absolutely brilliant about not getting in positions where he can get touched up to the body - or head for that matter.
Interesting fight for 3-4 rounds until Floyd solves Shane and shuts him out with annoying but scoring counters en route to a wide UD. -- Scott
You are so wrong, Scott. I can’t believe how many fans and members of the media are sleeping on Sugar Shane. It’s sad. It really is.
Dude, Floyd didn’t want this fight. He was forced to take it because it’s the only fight (outside of the Pacquiao showdown) that would guarantee him $15-$20 million-plus and it’s the only bout that fans and the media (including his apologists) would accept in lieu of the Pac-Man fight. Mayweather’s side wanted an immediate rematch clause in the contract. What does that tell you about his confidence going into this bout? "