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No, he's talking about the time he fought McCrary and was out on his feet taking clean shots forever and the fight wasn't stopped. Really he was stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Huh? You mean Edison Miranda? He didnt get k.o.'d, and he was just coming off a big surgery. Believe me if they fought again I'd put alot on Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Wow, never saw that fight but its listed as a win for Green. If he came back to win by K.O. how do you reason he was out of it? McCrary is a tough nut but hasnt realized you can block punches in boxing its not illegal. Was it a end of the round deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by amatNo, he's talking about the time he fought McCrary and was out on his feet taking clean shots forever and the fight wasn't stopped. Really he was stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestHuh? You mean Edison Miranda? He didnt get k.o.'d, and he was just coming off a big surgery. Believe me if they fought again I'd put alot on Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
It was more of a 'this guy is undefeated, better not stop it' deal. He had the silliest look on his face of any fighter ever maybe, standing straight up, hands down stumbling around with his chin in the air. It was bad but yeah he came back like 2 rounds later but he never should have been in the situation in the first place.
Also, this fight I'm pretty sure is gone from the web because I've been searching for it for over a year and have had no luck.
No Francisco Bojado??
Escalante shouldn't be in there, he was never the future of the division just a great all-action fighter who got clocked once. If Ortiz (who had more hype than any fighter in recent memory) shouldn't be in there, neither should he. The same goes for Sechew Powell.
I think John Duddy & Curtis Stevens are good calls, and Julio is an excellent call.
I think Shawn Porter will be a major bust, I don't rate him at all.
I think Jacobs, Guerrero and Lara will all go on to be dominant though. Craig McEwan looks destined for the bust bin, as does Frankie Gavin to me.
I can't remember if he's been mentioned, but Vicente Escobedo was the Ortiz before Ortiz. Orlando Cruz also had a lot of hype around him from Puerto Rico particularly.
Another one of the "next big things" was one of the Velazquez brothers from Puerto Rico, can't remember which. He got shut down and had his will broken much like Ortiz, but at least he went to the cards after getting knocked down a few times (I think the ref actually even counted one as a knockdown).
This is a great topic and as a fan of ESPN2 FNF, this is something that happens pretty regularly on that show.
I think that was Juan Velasquez, I was big on him thinking he'd be the future of 122. I thought about mentioning him, but chose Cruz instead because he was further along in his career. FNF is great for seeing this, you really do get competitive fights generallyQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
A lot of times it's the first time you get to see how the fighters react to all the studio lights and stuff. Not everyone can handle that pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think that was Juan Velasquez, I was big on him thinking he'd be the future of 122. I thought about mentioning him, but chose Cruz instead because he was further along in his career. FNF is great for seeing this, you really do get competitive fights generallyQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Miranda still got a lot of hype after the Abraham loss. He broke his jaw and then lost a 'controversial' decision. Nobody knew Miranda until after that fight. Remember Hopkins called him the 'future' of the middleweight division and then Kelly Pavlik promptly shoved his face in the mud. I say after Pavlik is when the air went out of that balloon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Rey Bautista comes to mind straight away.
Yeah, he was not mentally ready for deLeon. I remember people saying he had a lot of similarities to a young Manny Pacquiao, and would be the next big pinoy star.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I rated him quite high at that time, i knew it was a big step up for him. But i thought he really would produce the goods, but it really ruined him as a fighter. I thought he could maybe comeback but it was sad to see him, lose so badly to Heriberto Ruiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYeah, he was not mentally ready for deLeon. I remember people saying he had a lot of similarities to a young Manny Pacquiao, and would be the next big pinoy star.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Bautista did go on to win a world title though right, albiet briefly?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI rated him quite high at that time, i knew it was a big step up for him. But i thought he really would produce the goods, but it really ruined him as a fighter. I thought he could maybe comeback but it was sad to see him, lose so badly to Heriberto Ruiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYeah, he was not mentally ready for deLeon. I remember people saying he had a lot of similarities to a young Manny Pacquiao, and would be the next big pinoy star.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Jazmerkin, you're writing of Frankie Gavin all ready, Jim Watt and the Sky crew seem to love him, and Billy Jo Saunders :p
Maybe you guys are right about Escalante and Sechew Powell, it's just the first time I ever saw both fight they were getting an awful lot of attention.
For me I think Duddy, Julio and Andy Lee are the biggest recent failures, as it seems clear now from multiple outings for each that they are not cut out for world level, and all of them were hotly touted in the past.
Victor Ortiz I believe can be like Amir Khan and still get himself a world title so I don't discount him. I don't think Escalante will get that far, but maybe you are right and he wasn't as hyped as I thought.
I've only seen Craig McEwen fight once, has he lost yet? Maybe a bit soon to write a fighter off until they have actually been beat.
No he didn't win a world title to my knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBautista did go on to win a world title though right, albiet briefly?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI rated him quite high at that time, i knew it was a big step up for him. But i thought he really would produce the goods, but it really ruined him as a fighter. I thought he could maybe comeback but it was sad to see him, lose so badly to Heriberto Ruiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Jazmerkin, you're writing of Frankie Gavin all ready, Jim Watt and the Sky crew seem to love him, and Billy Jo Saunders :p
Maybe you guys are right about Escalante and Sechew Powell, it's just the first time I ever saw both fight they were getting an awful lot of attention.
For me I think Duddy, Julio and Andy Lee are the biggest recent failures, as it seems clear now from multiple outings for each that they are not cut out for world level, and all of them were hotly touted in the past.
Victor Ortiz I believe can be like Amir Khan and still get himself a world title so I don't discount him. I don't think Escalante will get that far, but maybe you are right and he wasn't as hyped as I thought.
I've only seen Craig McEwen fight once, has he lost yet? Maybe a bit soon to write a fighter off until they have actually been beat.
Yeah I don't remember Bautista ever winning an actual title.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo he didn't win a world title to my knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBautista did go on to win a world title though right, albiet briefly?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Jazmerkin, you're writing of Frankie Gavin all ready, Jim Watt and the Sky crew seem to love him, and Billy Jo Saunders :p
Maybe you guys are right about Escalante and Sechew Powell, it's just the first time I ever saw both fight they were getting an awful lot of attention.
For me I think Duddy, Julio and Andy Lee are the biggest recent failures, as it seems clear now from multiple outings for each that they are not cut out for world level, and all of them were hotly touted in the past.
Victor Ortiz I believe can be like Amir Khan and still get himself a world title so I don't discount him. I don't think Escalante will get that far, but maybe you are right and he wasn't as hyped as I thought.
I've only seen Craig McEwen fight once, has he lost yet? Maybe a bit soon to write a fighter off until they have actually been beat.