Recent superstars to be who went bust

[Tam Seddon]

I think Edison Miranda got a lot of hype before and after his first loss to Abraham, ever since then he was made to look ordinary.

Definatly Jeff Lacy falls into this section

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think Edison Miranda got a lot of hype before and after his first loss to Abraham, ever since then he was made to look ordinary.

Definatly Jeff Lacy falls into this section

if Khan is saved due to winning a title, Lacy should get the same treatment he won the IBF Super Middleweight title, hence is exempt

[Kev]

I think Edison Miranda got a lot of hype before and after his first loss to Abraham, ever since then he was made to look ordinary.

Definatly Jeff Lacy falls into this section

if Khan is saved due to winning a title, Lacy should get the same treatment he won the IBF Super Middleweight title, hence is exempt

I agree Lacy made it all the way to a superfight.

I don't think Edison counts either, he gave Artur Abraham a hell of a first fight and has since fought in several world title bouts, although losing them all.

I'm talking here about young prospects, seen as big talents, and maybe the future of their divisions on the way up, but who fall short before even challening for the top, i.e losing to a journeyman like Escalante, Duddy and Lee, or losing the first time they step up to fringe world level like Julio did against Quintana.

Miranda must have fought in at least 5 world title fights, he's not what I'm talking about.

Julio never even got there, he fits the bill perfectly.

Anyway my question was out of the current prospects who won't make it to world level.

Some prospects I can think of, tell me if you think they will succeed or not.


Guillermo Rigondeaux
Erislandry Lara
Odlanier Solis
Daniel Jacobs
Shawn Porter
Fernando Gurrero
Matt Korobov
Antony Peterson ( I think it was Lamont who fought Bradley? That means he fought for the top at least and got there despite losing)

Those are a few of the talents I can think of. So who do we think will make it and won't?

I consider Gamboa to have just about arrived now, holding an interim title or whatever so he's moved beyond the kind of prospects I'm talking about

[CFH]

I think Edison Miranda got a lot of hype before and after his first loss to Abraham, ever since then he was made to look ordinary.

Definatly Jeff Lacy falls into this section

if Khan is saved due to winning a title, Lacy should get the same treatment he won the IBF Super Middleweight title, hence is exempt

I agree Lacy made it all the way to a superfight.

I don't think Edison counts either, he gave Artur Abraham a hell of a first fight and has since fought in several world title bouts, although losing them all.

I'm talking here about young prospects, seen as big talents, and maybe the future of their divisions on the way up, but who fall short before even challening for the top, i.e losing to a journeyman like Escalante, Duddy and Lee, or losing the first time they step up to fringe world level like Julio did against Quintana.

Miranda must have fought in at least 5 world title fights, he's not what I'm talking about.

Julio never even got there, he fits the bill perfectly.

Anyway my question was out of the current prospects who won't make it to world level.

Some prospects I can think of, tell me if you think they will succeed or not.


Guillermo Rigondeaux
Erislandry Lara
Odlanier Solis
Daniel Jacobs
Shawn Porter
Fernando Gurrero
Matt Korobov
Antony Peterson ( I think it was Lamont who fought Bradley? That means he fought for the top at least and got there despite losing)

Those are a few of the talents I can think of. So who do we think will make it and won't?

I consider Gamboa to have just about arrived now, holding an interim title or whatever so he's moved beyond the kind of prospects I'm talking about

Lara will be a P4P mainstay some day.

[Kev]

if Khan is saved due to winning a title, Lacy should get the same treatment he won the IBF Super Middleweight title, hence is exempt

I agree Lacy made it all the way to a superfight.

I don't think Edison counts either, he gave Artur Abraham a hell of a first fight and has since fought in several world title bouts, although losing them all.

I'm talking here about young prospects, seen as big talents, and maybe the future of their divisions on the way up, but who fall short before even challening for the top, i.e losing to a journeyman like Escalante, Duddy and Lee, or losing the first time they step up to fringe world level like Julio did against Quintana.

Miranda must have fought in at least 5 world title fights, he's not what I'm talking about.

Julio never even got there, he fits the bill perfectly.

Anyway my question was out of the current prospects who won't make it to world level.

Some prospects I can think of, tell me if you think they will succeed or not.


Guillermo Rigondeaux
Erislandry Lara
Odlanier Solis
Daniel Jacobs
Shawn Porter
Fernando Gurrero
Matt Korobov
Antony Peterson ( I think it was Lamont who fought Bradley? That means he fought for the top at least and got there despite losing)

Those are a few of the talents I can think of. So who do we think will make it and won't?

I consider Gamboa to have just about arrived now, holding an interim title or whatever so he's moved beyond the kind of prospects I'm talking about

Lara will be a P4P mainstay some day.

That's interesting, he's one of those I'm least sold on of that bunch. Doesn't have anything special imo. I can see him being another Julio.

[CFH]

I agree Lacy made it all the way to a superfight.

I don't think Edison counts either, he gave Artur Abraham a hell of a first fight and has since fought in several world title bouts, although losing them all.

I'm talking here about young prospects, seen as big talents, and maybe the future of their divisions on the way up, but who fall short before even challening for the top, i.e losing to a journeyman like Escalante, Duddy and Lee, or losing the first time they step up to fringe world level like Julio did against Quintana.

Miranda must have fought in at least 5 world title fights, he's not what I'm talking about.

Julio never even got there, he fits the bill perfectly.

Anyway my question was out of the current prospects who won't make it to world level.

Some prospects I can think of, tell me if you think they will succeed or not.


Guillermo Rigondeaux
Erislandry Lara
Odlanier Solis
Daniel Jacobs
Shawn Porter
Fernando Gurrero
Matt Korobov
Antony Peterson ( I think it was Lamont who fought Bradley? That means he fought for the top at least and got there despite losing)

Those are a few of the talents I can think of. So who do we think will make it and won't?

I consider Gamboa to have just about arrived now, holding an interim title or whatever so he's moved beyond the kind of prospects I'm talking about

Lara will be a P4P mainstay some day.

That's interesting, he's one of those I'm least sold on of that bunch. Doesn't have anything special imo. I can see him being another Julio.

Did you see the Brewer fight? I thought given his inexperience as a pro that that was a very impressive performance. I've been big on Lara since I saw his 3rd or 4th fight. He doesn't have a ton of power, but he's fast, accurate, and good defensively. I think he'll be the best out of the bunch you listed.

I haven't seen all the fighters you listed, but I'm far from sold on Porter. Jacobs is a good fighter, but Ishe Smith could have beaten him if he started fighting before the 5th round. Rigondeaux I just think is too old. He's looked good so far though. I've never been all that big on Peterson, but he's a solid fighter with no glaring weaknesses.

That's my opinion on the guys I've seen enough of to have an opinion on.

[Kev]

Lara will be a P4P mainstay some day.

That's interesting, he's one of those I'm least sold on of that bunch. Doesn't have anything special imo. I can see him being another Julio.

Did you see the Brewer fight? I thought given his inexperience as a pro that that was a very impressive performance. I've been big on Lara since I saw his 3rd or 4th fight. He doesn't have a ton of power, but he's fast, accurate, and good defensively. I think he'll be the best out of the bunch you listed.

I haven't seen all the fighters you listed, but I'm far from sold on Porter. Jacobs is a good fighter, but Ishe Smith could have beaten him if he started fighting before the 5th round. Rigondeaux I just think is too old. He's looked good so far though. I've never been all that big on Peterson, but he's a solid fighter with no glaring weaknesses.

That's my opinion on the guys I've seen enough of to have an opinion on.

Good points Josh, I don't know Lara doesn't do it for me. He didn't look too good last time out imo going 10 rounds with Danny Perez. I mean ok, he's never been stopped, but even Jesse Brinkley beat him. And going 12 rounds with a 26-11 almost 40 year old journeyman in Brewer doesn't equal future p4p star to me either.

If he was going to be great I'd expect him to dazzle and destroy guys like this not go the full distance with them.

[DAWGSWIN]

I almost immediately thought of David Reid. Trinidad (and his eye) ruined him.

[Kev]

I almost immediately thought of David Reid. Trinidad (and his eye) ruined him.

About 10 years too late for this thread though

I'm talking about the current prospects. Which ones will fall short BEFORE stepping up to fight world titles.

[ElTerribleMorales]

well the first name to come to mind for me is Vicente Escobedo

[amat]

Powell was still on the bounce back when he lost to Latimore, he was by no means considered a sure thing at the time. He had lost and had won so ugly that he was basically written off. With Escalante, he wasn't talked about for his tremendous talent it's just that he was an exciting young fighter and that's why he generated buzz. He's actually an overachiever imo and now has the FOTY so far and it might hold up throughout the year. Til Izzy and Rafa fight again at least.

[amat]

Escobedo qualifies for sure, he has smarts and talent just not enough of the physical attributes to succeed.

[Kev]

Powell was still on the bounce back when he lost to Latimore, he was by no means considered a sure thing at the time. He had lost and had won so ugly that he was basically written off. With Escalante, he wasn't talked about for his tremendous talent it's just that he was an exciting young fighter and that's why he generated buzz. He's actually an overachiever imo and now has the FOTY so far and it might hold up throughout the year. Til Izzy and Rafa fight again at least.

Yeah with Powell I mean prior to the Ouma loss really. He was the strong, unbeaten up and comer much like how Kirkland, Angulo, and now Guerreo and Jacobs have been seen

[CFH]

Wasn't Carlos Quintana a pretty hyped prospect?

[killersheep]

Why do you give a pass to Ortiz but not Escalante?

Ortiz has come back more timid, Escalante has come back with more fire.

As for your list

Guillermo Rigondeaux - I believe this guys career gets killed by poor management

Erislandry Lara - I think this guy has all the skill he needs to be successful, but he needs more 'get up' fights to inspire him to perform better

Odlanier Solis - Hard to imagine the risk/reward equation will work for him to get title fights, I think he remains in obscurity while living the American dream/James Toney diet plan

Daniel Jacobs - I like Jacobs he fights often, I do think he is one that will get caught getting wild one of these days and end up out cold.

/Shawn Porter - Kind of a Ward/Dirrell situation with these two
\Fernando Gurrero - I have faith the both do well at a higher level

Matt Korobov - I think a mover will absolutely take him to school, I have some real doubts about him. I picture him being matched up like Angulo is nowadays.

Antony Peterson - I don't think he's ever going to step up, he was supposed to fight Humberto Soto, but that's off. I think he's another that will have wasted all that publicity he's had over the last 5 years.