Re: Does Pacquiao deserve all the hate???
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Bilbo
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Bilbo
If it's not a big deal for fighters to move down a whole weight class why the drama when Cotto moves down a single pound, and Margarito moves UP half a division for fights with Pac?
Perfect logic and straight to the point Mr. Baggins. Miles is a bit off in this topic IMO.
He wants Pac to move down to face Marquez but he doesnt give full credit to Pac for asking Cotto to move down 1lb. :(
The ironic thing is that the haters of Manny actually rate him higher than his fans. They just take for granted that he can move up and down between about three weight classes and smash 'joke' opposition like Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley.
The criticisms against him are amazing. I mean at welterweight he has beaten Oscar, Cotto, Clottey, Margo at 150 and is now fighting Shane Mosley.
When Floyd when up to welter he fought Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah coming off a loss to Carlos Baldomir, then Baldo himself in a fight where he danced around the ring for 12 rounds and refused to engage for a second. He then dragged up Hatton and Marquez to fight him (I give him full props for fighting Oscar at 154 however, to me that WAS a big deal considering how many divisions Floyd climbed to ultimately get that fight).
Manny basically immediately has fought all the guys Floyd dodged for years and has literally battered them around the ring, and some people can just gripe 'Oh but he made him lose a pound! This win means nothing! NOTHING!'.
Let's face it, if Miles was present to witness Jesus feed the 5000 with 5 loaves and 3 fish or whatever he would be like 'Cod? COD? This is just common cod and white bread! Why didn't he make us some nice sea bass and a nice French loaf?' Bah! Rubbish, call himself the Messiah!!
Hey, don't forget to criticize Pacquiao for not fight Sergio Martinez.
Margarito at 151 or Martinez at 154?
Which of those fights is the more meaningful? The Margarito was for show only and to keep the money in house. It didn't show us that Pac could fight the best fighter in the division at the correct stipulated weight. Again people were quite vocal in their criticism's of the fight beforehand.
Again, we shouldn't sugar coat it and make it out to be something extraordinary. Margarito wasn't even a proper JMW and certainly wasn't the best in the division. He hasn't proven that at all, on recent form he wasn't even the best at WW.
But okay, we are moving back down to WW and now that Mosley is hitting 40 and hasn't looked good after a massive layoff, the time is right. It is so cynical and calculated.
Re: Does Pacquiao deserve all the hate???
What Manny Pac has done deserves credit and cannot be emulated by any fighter today.
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haters will hate, great fighters will continue to be great and Julius Rain will sit back and watch....occasionally poke at deluded haters ;D
Re: Does Pacquiao deserve all the hate???
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Violent Demise
Any fighter that uses performing enhancing drugs deserves the hate. It's that simple. And before anyone responds with the lame "he's never tested dirty" excuse need not bother. He hasn't tested dirty cuz he refused the sophisticated testing.
If someone randomly accused you of taking illegal drugs, would you go out of your way and jump threw hoops to have to prove to them your not? I wouldn't. Ya I realize he's a proffessional athlete but still. This is just a dead horse that Pacquiao haters will continue to beat as long a he is successful.
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They can hate all they want. But its always fun laughing at them every Pac post fight. I just wish I could see their poor faces in dismay,... gutted and shit. And how many times did that happen to them now? ;D
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Simple question.
Is it all justified?
What hate ???
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What Manny Pac has done deserves credit and cannot be emulated by any fighter today.
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Cherry picking tailor made opponent
Weight draining opponent
PEDS
Selecting shot fighters
all of these cannot be all true if we are talking logically here. But some of Manny's detractors have used all of these things against him.
Why would Pac need PEDS if he is fighting shot fighters?
Why would Pac weight drain opponent if they are tailor made for him anyway?
It doesn't add up.
but i agree Pac should have not chosen Mosley. Berto is the right choice but given that i can see these things being said if that was the case
- Berto is overrated
- Berto has not beaten an elite fighter
- Pac is cherry picking the unproven Berto
Can't please everybody specially in Forums :D
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They can hate all they want. But its always fun laughing at them every Pac post fight. I just wish I could see their poor faces in dismay,... gutted and shit. And how many times did that happen to them now? ;D
A lot! ;D
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They can hate all they want. But its always fun laughing at them every Pac post fight. I just wish I could see their poor faces in dismay,... gutted and shit. And how many times did that happen to them now? ;D
A lot! ;D
Ooh, Ouch!
:)
Re: Does Pacquiao deserve all the hate???
No because PAC is not in his prime anymore but still manages to beat them.
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How I love to read the clash of words between Bilbo and Miles. My top two posters in this forum.;D;D;D
Hate to say this Miles, Bilbo is winning in his logic but you're actually doing well except that your rebuttals are tainted with Pac hate. So you're losing but not in a bad way. As an unbiased poster and at the same time a pacfan, I'm also frustrated with Pac vs Shane but Bilbo is showing a clearer picture why this fight must be done instead of Pac vs Marquez or Pac vs Berto.
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How I love to read the clash of words between Bilbo and Miles. My top two posters in this forum.;D;D;D
Hate to say this Miles, Bilbo is winning in his logic but you're actually doing well except that your rebuttals are tainted with Pac hate. So you're losing but not in a bad way. As an unbiased poster and at the same time a pacfan, I'm also frustrated with Pac vs Shane but Bilbo is showing a clearer picture why this fight must be done instead of Pac vs Marquez or Pac vs Berto.
How would fighting Berto be any worse than fighting Clottey? Going on that kind of logic it would have made better business sense to be fighting Mosley two years ago. And yet, we only get Mosley after he has produced a career worst loss and a mediocre draw against some guy from The Contender. Hmm, interesting timing. And it is not as though Marquez was outboxed in his two fights with Manny either. And Berto for better or worse is undefeated, young and at leat winning. Logic suggests that Berto and Marquez are extremely viable fights. Sure, people can disagree with me, but the arguments are relatively straightforward and I don't think they have been particularly hateful towards Manny.
At the end of the day I just want to see the best fighting the best. I don't get any pleasure from seeing fighters still in their prime fighting people who just don't know when to give it up. If Mosley gets busted up is anybody really going to be satisfied? I was sick of the Margarito fight after 8 rounds. Nobody wants to see a nice guy like Mosley get hacked up. It's a little bit like Calzaghe against Jones Jr, but that was made bearable by the fact that Calzaghe has no power. Mosley has done little to justify this fight and it is obivously all about the money. It is only right for boxing fans to be critical of Manny for following up a fight with a cheat with a fight against a slumped 40 year old.
Of course I will be rooting for the underdog as I always do, but I worry about this fight. Mosley will need to make an impact and to make it early, otherwise he is in for hell. How is he going to keep up with a guy who throws a 1000 punches a fight and carries enough power to break faces? He broke both Margarito AND Oscar's orbital bones. That is just not normal. How often does that happen?
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Manny "The Mosquito" Pacquiao because he swarms all over his opponents - looks like Duran and Fights like a cross between Hagler and Leonard! It says something about him, that a guy from the Phillipines can fill a huge stadium in Dallas. He's a class act for sure.
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No because PAC is not in his prime anymore but still manages to beat them.
I hope this is just an irrational comment brought on by your detest of Pacquiao's critics? Because is in no way past his prime. The man is very much in his prime.
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Pavlik
No because PAC is not in his prime anymore but still manages to beat them.
I hope this is just an irrational comment brought on by your detest of Pacquiao's critics? Because is in no way past his prime. The man is very much in his prime.
No worries bro, it's an old sracastic post of mine;) Disregard this:)
