Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
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koppas
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Master
This should be Ryan Rhodes opportunity for the title not Hatton who has never fought a class fighter at this weight. It is who you know, that has got him this opportunity.
If he surname wasn't Hatton, he wouldn't be a European champion. Nor fighting in Vegas. FACT*.
*This may or not be fact but it is my personal view and does not represent the views of SaddoBoxing.
But is that so bad though? Effectively what you are saying is that because of who his brother is Hatton is more interesting to the average fight fan than Ryan Rhodes, and so there for gets an opportunity that Ryan didn't.
That's good right? Ok not for Ryan Rhodes, but good that fightfans get to see who they want to fight.
Nepotism is rife in boxing. Chavez Jr, Ronald Hearns, McGirt Jr, Bobby Pacquaio.....none of these guys would have careers if it wasn't for their father's or siblings.
But thanks to their more successful relations these guys get to put food on their families tables. It's a wonderful thing.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
koppas
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Originally Posted by
Master
This should be Ryan Rhodes opportunity for the title not Hatton who has never fought a class fighter at this weight. It is who you know, that has got him this opportunity.
If he surname wasn't Hatton, he wouldn't be a European champion. Nor fighting in Vegas. FACT*.
*This may or not be fact but it is my personal view and does not represent the views of SaddoBoxing.
But is that so bad though? Effectively what you are saying is that because of who his brother is Hatton is more interesting to the average fight fan than Ryan Rhodes, and so there for gets an opportunity that Ryan didn't.
That's good right? Ok not for Ryan Rhodes, but good that fightfans get to see who they want to fight.
Nepotism is rife in boxing. Chavez Jr, Ronald Hearns, McGirt Jr, Bobby Pacquaio.....none of these guys would have careers if it wasn't for their father's or siblings.
But thanks to their more successful relations these guys get to put food on their families tables. It's a wonderful thing.
I disagree with you about McGirt Jr. and Ronald Hearns. They are good solid fighters in their own right and far from bums. They would have careers without the last name, just not as successful or marketable of careers.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
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Hulk
I disagree with you about McGirt Jr. and Ronald Hearns. They are good solid fighters in their own right and far from bums. They would have careers without the last name, just not as successful or marketable of careers.
So would Matthew Hatton. And the same as Hearns or McGirt Jr, his career wouldn't be as succesful or marketable. He is a good solid fighter in the same way they are, only without the Hatton name he would probably still be fighting around the British/Euro level.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
But hey if Arum and Pac want to do it's ok...lol If Oscar sends envelopes of cash then Arum must send suitcases
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
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Bilbo
Boxing isn't a meritocracy, and personally I'm ok with that.
Bilbo, honestly how can you be ok with fighters not getting what they deserve. Boxing is an unforgiving business, and really isn't helped by a corrupt sanctioning body that bypasses their own rankings just to attempt to give their belt to a Mexican? All they want to do is push Mexican fighters. My argument is not with Alvarez or Hatton, but with the WBC, for once again giftwrapping a title to 2 fighters who have done absolutely nothing to warrant a world title shot in this division. It saddens me that both you and Eric would accept this. As fans of Boxing, don't you want to see fighters earn their way to a World Title? If this was for a vacant 147 title, I'd have less of a problem, but what is the point of having weightclasses, rankings, elimanators etc. if you're just going to give 2 guys who are undeserving at the 154lb weightclass a free pass ove those who are winning elimanators? Fans accepting this is just going to lead to more bullshit from idiots like Suliaman.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
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bzkfn
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Bilbo
Boxing isn't a meritocracy, and personally I'm ok with that.
Bilbo, honestly how can you be ok with fighters not getting what they deserve. Boxing is an unforgiving business, and really isn't helped by a corrupt sanctioning body that bypasses their own rankings just to attempt to give their belt to a Mexican? All they want to do is push Mexican fighters. My argument is not with Alvarez or Hatton, but with the WBC, for once again giftwrapping a title to 2 fighters who have done absolutely nothing to warrant a world title shot in this division. It saddens me that both you and Eric would accept this. As fans of Boxing, don't you want to see fighters earn their way to a World Title? If this was for a vacant 147 title, I'd have less of a problem, but what is the point of having weightclasses, rankings, elimanators etc. if you're just going to give 2 guys who are undeserving at the 154lb weightclass a free pass ove those who are winning elimanators? Fans accepting this is just going to lead to more bullshit from idiots like Suliaman.
I have to be honest I see boxing and MMA as entertainment. I just want to see the best fights get made, and belts, weight classes etc don't interest me.
I don't care about catchweights, I don't care about alphabet belts or anything else.
As I understand it this fight is to take place at 150 lbs, a weight Alvarez has fought at for his last few fights. He's only 20 so clearly is going to grow into a full junior and then middleweight fighter so makes sense he's moving up.
Yes neither he now Hatton has done anything to warrant a world title in that division, but since when has a belt had any meaning in a division? If you want to see who is the best fighter in a weight class look to the Ring Rankings, the belts mean absolutely nothing to fight fans and do not (and havent for decades) represented who are the best fighters in the division.
What having a world title will do for Alvarez however is give him an increased profile which is good for the sport, at least commercially.
Id' rather have guys like Alvarez and Gamboa being managed to artificially created belts than have fighters with no world appeal or interest hold them.
The lightweight middle division is currently a wasteland with no decent fighters. It seems that the WBC are trying to encourage at least one commercially viable exciting prospect there and to give him a belt, which is no bad thing.
As for Hatton vs Rhodes as an opponent. Maybe Alvarez doesnt want to weigh 154lbs just yet and hasn't grown into the weight so is going for a 147lber.
I don't really care to be honest, I have no purist attatchment to either weightclasses ro title belts, I just want them to bring Alvarez along and get him to have a decent marketable career.
I have no problem with the fight at all.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
I should add a caveat here. I'm thinking like this because the light middleweight division as it stands is a mess.
With Williams and Martinez moving up, and Manny moving back down it's one of the most empty divisions in boxing with no recognised champions. Fuck K9 Bundrage is a world champ there!
So having a high profile fighter like Alvarez who could bring some excitment to the weight class move into it is a good thing.
I wouldn't support fighters going into a stacked weight class and getting a title shot ahead of legit stars but pragmatically in this case I don't see it as a bad thing to get a guy like Alvarez into the division with a belt and some marketing to make the division a bit more exciting.
At the end of the day boxing isn't like other sports. It's an event based sport where each big fightcard is like a movie release. We need big movies and Alvarez having a world title belt might help create that later in the year and in 2012 in the light middleweight division.
Re: Saul Alvarez vs Matthew Hatton for the WBC Light Middleweight title
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
Boxing isn't a meritocracy, and personally I'm ok with that.
Bilbo, honestly how can you be ok with fighters not getting what they deserve. Boxing is an unforgiving business, and really isn't helped by a corrupt sanctioning body that bypasses their own rankings just to attempt to give their belt to a Mexican? All they want to do is push Mexican fighters. My argument is not with Alvarez or Hatton, but with the WBC, for once again giftwrapping a title to 2 fighters who have done absolutely nothing to warrant a world title shot in this division. It saddens me that both you and Eric would accept this. As fans of Boxing, don't you want to see fighters earn their way to a World Title? If this was for a vacant 147 title, I'd have less of a problem, but what is the point of having weightclasses, rankings, elimanators etc. if you're just going to give 2 guys who are undeserving at the 154lb weightclass a free pass ove those who are winning elimanators? Fans accepting this is just going to lead to more bullshit from idiots like Suliaman.
I like to see entertaining fights too... just like the next guy. But you make a good point regarding the WBC. I wouldn't mind too much if this favoritism they have were more subtle and understated. But it's not... it's blatant and insulting to us real boxing fans. Suliaman should've been removed from his post a LONG TIME AGO... all he's done is undermine the little credibility boxing has left in some circles.
I'm not saying the other organizations are head and shoulders above the WBC. But with Suliaman at the helm, the WBC might as well just put out a full-page ad:
"World title holders WANTED: (Non-Mexicans need not apply)."
