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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

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The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

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THat might have been the worst fight I have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

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Audley Harrison landed ONE punch in three rounds vs Haye. That was a big fight if you believed the British media? ;D Then again, us in the know about boxing, knew it was anything other than that. "The biggest British fight since Lewis/Bruno". What a disgrace.

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But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

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THat might have been the worst fight I have ever seen.

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I don't know if it was the worst I've ever seen (I loathe mismatch driven quick KO's) but I remember being utterly aghast at what I was watching. I couldn't believe Valuev's incompetence nor 13's passivity.

Memphis is on the Haye team. I'm adding Jaz and Rhun too.

That's 10-11 Brits that make Wlad favourite but want Haye.

Jim Boogie you're backing Haye, right?

I'm a Brit who wants Wlad to win and think he will.

Put that in your stats and smoke it.

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

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Originally Posted by boxingbantz

I'm a Brit who wants Wlad to win and think he will.

Put that in your stats and smoke it.

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Your opinion is fine boxingbantz. Us Haye supporters welcome it ......... (fucking traitor).

You're squashing this idea all Brits are supporting Haye, and subsequently will be crying if he loses.

The only way Haye can possibly win is if he runs all night and waits for Wlad to make a mistake. There is no way he can Blitz this version of Wlad. Wlads jab is too fast and hard. Even if Haye lands one on Wlads chin I believe Wlad will walk through it. Haye is not as big a puncher as everyone is making him out to be. Haye's power is no where near Lewis or either Klitchsko.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

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Let's try it this way. Find me another fighter in the history of the gloved sport, any division, any time who landed fewer than 100 punches in a distance fight and won a strap.

The issue is one of character. How could 13 POSSIBLY have been comfortable he was doing enough to win? It was just bizzarre.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Damn Fenster why must you make it so difficult: erics44, rjjtszyu, AdamGB, Hornfinger (though he may deny it), smashup

.....That should get up jumped off.

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The fuck do I have to make excuses for Haye for?! LOL...

If Haye loses - he was too small, fair play to him for taking on such a big task... He might be red faced after all the talk... But that will be forgeten about before long.

But if Wlad loses to such an unworthy opponent? Ouch.

Using your estimation of Haye... Wlad deserves no credit if he wins.
So Haye has little to lose and it all to gain... Why would I need to excuse him? Worry about wlad but it will be BAD if he loses... Haye needs few excuses wlad would need a TONNE

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And the excuses starts already, "Haye was too small." hahaha
But yet Haye is around the same size as guys like Brewster and Sanders, the same guys that whipped Wlad.

@Fenster,

Don't be mad bro when people point out the obvious. The excuses will come out just like when Hatton lost against Mayweather and Pacquiao. Fact.;)

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

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Let's try it this way. Find me another fighter in the history of the gloved sport, any division, any time who landed fewer than 100 punches in a distance fight and won a strap.

The issue is one of character. How could 13 POSSIBLY have been comfortable he was doing enough to win? It was just bizzarre.

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Find me another fighter that gave away 100lb and a foot in height?

13 was comfortable because he wasn't being hit.

You believe Graham Houston is a good judge, right? DAVID HAYE W12 (maj.) NIKOLAI VALUEV

Wlad KO 11.
There may be some fireworks early, as I do believe Haye will make an effort to get inside and unleash his power punches. Perhaps he catches Wlad with one or another, but I personally believe he is much more defensively sound now. By round 5 the Klitschko jab starts landing with regularity and from there on in, it turns into something of a beatdown. I think too many people are getting caught up in the emotion of this fight. While I'd love to see some fresh blood in the division, and Haye is much more exciting than Wladimir (in talk & action), I just don't see a fight which proves he can deal with a fighter of this pedigree. Also for everything I've heard about Haye's speed, not often have I heard about his stamina. Can Haye really move around and throw for a full 12 rounds against a man who surely will lean his 6'6 frame on him. I'd be happy with either man winning to be honest, the charismatic trashtalker, or the educated assassin. I just see it being like so many of Wlad's other opponents. KO #50

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

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Let's try it this way. Find me another fighter in the history of the gloved sport, any division, any time who landed fewer than 100 punches in a distance fight and won a strap.

The issue is one of character. How could 13 POSSIBLY have been comfortable he was doing enough to win? It was just bizzarre.

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Find me another fighter that gave away 100lb and a foot in height?


13 was comfortable because he wasn't being hit.

You believe Graham Houston is a good judge, right? DAVID HAYE W12 (maj.) NIKOLAI VALUEV

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You know size isn't a factor in judging.

Not getting hit isn't enough to win a fight. Especially a title fight.

I've read Houston on this. I also think Kieran Mulvaney knows his stuff and he didn't see it that way. Read the article. Even Houston wondered during the fight if 13 was being too cautious and read the scores at the bottom from other observers.

I don't know how ANYBODY can say they think a fighter who lands eight punches a round should be comfortable they are winning. It's crazy!

13 was comfortable leaving his fate in the hands of the judges. Weird.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Valuev landed around 15% of his punches thrown. Haye landed around 70%.

13 might not have thrown much but he made them count. Fact.

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Let's try it this way. Find me another fighter in the history of the gloved sport, any division, any time who landed fewer than 100 punches in a distance fight and won a strap.

The issue is one of character. How could 13 POSSIBLY have been comfortable he was doing enough to win? It was just bizzarre.

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Find me another fighter that gave away 100lb and a foot in height?

13 was comfortable because he wasn't being hit.

You believe Graham Houston is a good judge, right? DAVID HAYE W12 (maj.) NIKOLAI VALUEV

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Chagaev? Holyfield? In most peoples eyes those two did it more convincingly too, in holyfields case at least from reading reports of the fight since iv never seen it.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Damn Fenster why must you make it so difficult: erics44, rjjtszyu, AdamGB, Hornfinger (though he may deny it), smashup

.....That should get up jumped off.

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The fuck do I have to make excuses for Haye for?! LOL...

If Haye loses - he was too small, fair play to him for taking on such a big task... He might be red faced after all the talk... But that will be forgeten about before long.

But if Wlad loses to such an unworthy opponent? Ouch.

Using your estimation of Haye... Wlad deserves no credit if he wins.
So Haye has little to lose and it all to gain... Why would I need to excuse him? Worry about wlad but it will be BAD if he loses... Haye needs few excuses wlad would need a TONNE

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And the excuses starts already, "Haye was too small." hahaha
But yet Haye is around the same size as guys like Brewster and Sanders, the same guys that whipped Wlad.

@Fenster,

Don't be mad bro when people point out the obvious. The excuses will come out just like when Hatton lost against Mayweather and Pacquiao. Fact.;)

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I'm not mad bro. I'm getting the truth ready so we can deal with facts instead of misguided opinion. ;)

I never gave Hatton a chance of going past 6 rounds with Floyd. He did much better than I thought. As you can see, almost every British Haye supporter makes him the underdog.

You speak about fans that don't exist bro (or are in a slim minority ;)).