But no evidence that Margarito ever fought with loaded gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. (;D)
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But no evidence that Margarito ever fought with loaded gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. (;D)
The photographic evidence is pretty damning.....wraps don't look the way his did after the Cotto fight normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBut no evidence that Margarito ever fought with loaded gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. (;D)
Also if it "wasn't the wraps" why couldn't Margarito ever repeat his previous successes? He couldn't beat Mosley, he got hammered vs Pacquiao, and Cotto walloped him in the rematch....this leads me to believe he did not have that extra little something (loaded wraps, and possibly drugs since his punch output was so high in his wins and dropped off big time in his losses) to get him over the top in those fights.
Hahahahaha. Nice try Johnny but you forgot that the glove was once soaked in blood, was made of leather and there was a latex glove underneath.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBut no evidence that Margarito ever fought with loaded gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. (;D)
;D
7/26/08 Margarito stops Miguel Cotto in 11
1/24/09 Mosley stops Margarito in 9
According to Judd Burstein, the attorney for Mosley, Margarito had wet pads in the wrapping. Mosley's doctor, Robert Olvera, likened the material to the type of plaster used to make casts. Burstein said he seized the pad removed from the wrapping and another pad found in Margarito's dressing room. Both were placed in a sealed box that was given to Dean Lohuis of the California Boxing Commission for further study. After the suspicious pads were removed from Margarito's dressing room, the boxer's hands were rewrapped and the fight went off on time
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5/8/10 Margarito wins decision over Roberto Garcia 99-89, 100-88, 99-90
11/13/10 Pacquiao wins decision over Margarito 119-109, 120-108, 118-108
12/3/11 Miguel Cotto stops Margarito in 9
So how does a guy who seemingly took 100% of everything Miguel Cotto threw at him and gave back twice as much get beaten up by the same guy just a few years later? How does that happen? How does a big power puncher and pressure fighter not stop the smaller Pacquiao? How does a contender in his PRIME not beat Shane Mosley? It's not as if before the Mosley fight Margarito was in poor form, it's not like Shane was doing really hot at the time either.
How does that happen fellas?
Dude Lyle Margarito had fucking the shit kick out of him from Pac and Mosley i say that is also something to consider i mean he had to have his eye reconstructed. He did take all Cotto had in the rematch the fight was stop on the eye Margarito had to rebuild if he really used bricks he would knock people out more and also Cotto would not have lasted as long as he did if he in fact was using bricks. I mean Williams and Clotty were pretty unfazed by Margarito shots if he was indeed cheating this whole time i mean he is not even a knock out guy he is a grinder with volume.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
And there's a conga line of frustrated Margarito fans waiting to buy some.
And WHY did he get his ass kicked by an ancient Mosley and a smaller Pacquiao?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yeah well fuck him anyway, he taunted Freddie Roach on camera and took the piss out of his disease mocking him was a low point in the sport.
That gives you a glimpse of whats going on inside his head.
Mosley gave Cotto a run for his money and could of got the nod in there fight Pac beat the shit out of Cotto and knocked him out. Styles make fights and those guys had more fire power to knock Margarito out and thats what made a big difference in the fights don't think it is that hard figure out.
Lol that was not the same Shane at all that fought Cotto and Manny knocked Cotto out after Margarito used the cement so dont try to revise history to make it sound like they all fought the same Cotto or the same Shane. Shane went on the slide significantly after Cotto based on the yoyo weight jumping and retreating he was doing. He almost went life and death with Mayorga prior to Margo. Like I said you dont have to be Francis Bacon to sort this shit out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Im pretty sure it was Rios who initiated that nonsense.. margo was just playing along and so was Robert garcia laughing in the back..Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I actually think garcia is the worst because he's supposed to be the head of the group yet it seems like he doesnt know how to control his fighters.. u see this dude giggling like a little kid whenever rios acts rubbish..
That's probably why Roach started shit with him in china.. garcia is cool but he's immature for his age..
Iaminuit do you really think Cotto could take a beating from a guy having cement in his hands. Cotto is good at a lot of things but durability never has been his strong point. If he was wearing cement gloves then why no real effect on Williams or Clotty i mean he never hurt them that bad the whole fight. Shane had the power to fuck Margarito up and the chin to stand with him fight was just year and half later. As for Pac beating Margarito up he was on another level completely and was way better then Cotto ever was in his career. I say yea Cotto got the rematch win but both guys were kinda done. Margarito had to have his eye rebuild i don't think that should be overlooked also the reason the fight was stopped as well. I am not saying he didn't cheat ever but look at his career performances and i am not sure why it didn't effect the other fighters.
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Originally Posted by Mr140
LMAO, 140. There goes the rest of your argument right there. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you never followed his career from the very beginning. You hear the negative comments, and repeat them verbatim. With the likes of Randall Bailey, Muhammad Abdullaev, and Ricardo Torres on his resume... I'd hardly question his durability. But none of these facts will ever convince you, so I won't spend that much time attempting it.
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Originally Posted by Mr140
No one claims he cheated his entire career. But his lack of moral character and who knows what outside pressures he had.... at some point he succumbed to temptation.
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Originally Posted by Mr140
I don't recall Shane giving Margacheato much of a chance to GET to that chin. It was over before it even began. Come to think of it..... Shane's blowout of Margacheato serves to further boost Cotto's credentials, by making Miguel's victory over Shane all that much more impressive.
You're entitled to your opinions, as we all are. Just shedding some light with some facts which, if objective enough, you may want to reconsider.
Since I answered inside your quote I needed to add something outside it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I am pretty sure they check the fucking hand wraps on a fight as big as Margarito vs Cotto considering that Cotto was the star and all. I just don't Think he would of lasted as long if Margarito had plaster on his hands. I also think he would of knocked out Clotty and Williams as well but that is just my thoughts. As for the thread is it true they were missing elements for it to even happen right or no. As for Cotto yea he was never better then Pacman i just cant see it in his career and competition. Beside Mosley who was 36 years old not shot but his best years behind him had a close fight that was a md and could of been a draw which i thought it was. Then you have the Clotty fight i know he had a bad cut but still very close fight could of either way. Margarito fight no point in going into that so i won't, then he gets his ass crushed by Pac i mean just a fucking ass kicking. Then after that goes on gives Mayweather a fight but still loses by a wide margin like most and then gets dominated by trout. Now he had ok comp at 140 but those guys will be forgotten there not elite and Zab and Carlos were good wins as well but that is about it. As good as Cotto was he never was the man of his division not at 140 not at 147 and not at 154 but you could make argument at 147 because it might of been a cheat but not proven but Margarito still won it. Anyway i just feel its kinda bit out there that he was caught now and all the big fights he has had and just now gets caught also be weird if this was the first time too.