Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights;D
Wake up!
The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up... ;D
If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.
It's Haye's fault that Fury hasn't ever fought a big heavyweight of any merit.
Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.
The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.
Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.
It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet? ;D
This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali :)
He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.
Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.
Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.
Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.
My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.
In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?
Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!
Why do you think they're all calling Fury out , Ross? Listen , I love Fury, he seems a great guy, he's got a lot of heart, he has improved as well, but the reason they call him out is because they think they can beat him, simple as that.
Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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Nobody in their forties then @
ross? Didn't think so.
With every point you make, you're essentially calling Fury shite:
You say Haye only fights older heavyweights - Fury's best win is against an older man and cruiserweight at that.
You say Haye was knocked down by Monte Barrett - He slipped on an advertisement card, but that's besides the point... An older cruiserweight floored fury.
You diminish Haye knocking out Chisora in 5 rounds - it took Fury twice as long as a cruiserweight to finish off his own left overs in luke warm fashion, despite enjoying a considerable height and reach advantage.
You criticise Haye for not fighting people younger than him - Haye has given up weight/height/reach in several bouts... Pretty much everything but age...
name a young, even average fighter that Fury has fought were he hasn't enjoyed a considerable height and reach advantage? When is he going to step up and fight somebody closer in size like Wach? We've yet to see him use his boxing ability when his size advantage has been removed or even diminished.
You can justifiably think little of Haye, but at least be consistent and unbiased and apply your own standards to Fury as well. :rolleyes:
Wach is utter shite.
When the Chisora rematch was announced it was a chance for Chisora to prove it was because he wasn't in shape last time, that it was all down to his weight.
Haye had to throw caution to the wind to stop Chisora as he was blowing out his ass and getting bulled around. Tyson didn't break a sweat and had Chisora under control. He could have stopped him in the first, he had the legs going from the first left hook he threw. He stood off because they wanted and needed rounds. Thats how good Fury is. He can make easy work of Hayes best win;D
Winning the Heavyweight title was his best win at the weight Ross.
The facts are that Haye is Box Office and fighters like Fury simply are not and never will be because Fury doesn't entertain when he's in the ring intact he's boring to watch unless he's being interviewed.
Haye knocks people out on a regular basis which is what people love in the Heavyweight division.
It's all a Business Ross.... have you not worked that out yet? ;D
This is why an inactive fighter like Haye has everyone talking about him on the back of a photograph of him having Breakfast with Vitali :)
He still brings enough money to any fight where he can simply leapfrog the entire division (good thing or bad thing for boxing?) and get straight back into the mix with any top Heavyweight.
Not true. You are underestimating Tyson.
Floyd Mayweather is the biggest draw in boxing now but didnt become a pay per view fighter until his 17th world championship fight!! He wasnt a draw. His first pay per view was against Gatti. The fight before that, he faced Bruseles and only 4000 people attended that fight.
Tyson is yet to fight for a world championship and has already had 2 pay per views build around him only to fall apart due to the opponent pulling out twice. That pay per view would not have happened without Tyson. Not that a pay per view is indicative of the quality of a fight when you look at the shit Hearn produces. Over 18,000 bought tickets to watch a show Tyson headlined. Thats a big difference to Floyds 4000 in his 17 world championship fight.
My point is, Tyson is only 26. Give him the right opponent that isnt so, so easy to outbox and he already has the exposure and potential to be massive.
In fact, I think Hayes first pay per view fight wasnt until Valuev?
Every heavyweight interviewed in America calls Tyson out. His name is growing before hes even got on the world stage. He has the potential to be absolutely huge!
Why do you think they're all calling Fury out , Ross? Listen , I love Fury, he seems a great guy, he's got a lot of heart, he has improved as well, but the reason they call him out is because they think they can beat him, simple as
that.
Of course they can, talk about anything else is delusional, Fury is as guilty as any other so called 'up and comer' of selecting opponents cautiously, he wont fight Price? He wont fight any kind of decent yank? How about Tony Thompson? All this crap about Fury being a serious contender is silly, and as for being a ticket seller that is downright silly, the only reason ppv got sold for his bore fest with chisora was the undercard which featured EUJR and Saunders. Fury is middling to average at boxing, middling to good at gobbing, the first time he gets into a ring with a real contender he gets beat, all he's trying to do is make his first loss a lucrative one, cant blame him for that but lets get real.
Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
Re: David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
I was talking about Furys ability to be a pay per view fighter compared to Haye. He almost was twice, even before his first world title fight. Haye didn't become a pay per view fighter until his third world title fight against Valuev.
Also, once beaten profile does not turn to "rat shit". Mike Tyson earned more in his career years ago than Wlad has. I bet Mayorga has earnt more than most current world champs also. A high profile is whats needed to sell fights.
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
I was talking about Furys ability to be a pay per view fighter compared to Haye. He almost was twice, even before his first world title fight. Haye didn't become a pay per view fighter until his third world title fight against Valuev.
Also, once beaten profile does not turn to "rat shit". Mike Tyson earned more in his career years ago than Wlad has. I bet Mayorga has earnt more than most current world champs also. A high profile is whats needed to sell fights.
FFS Ross! Your getting silly now with selective 'facts' who the fuck pays for an 'alphabet' world cruiserweight title, to see Rob Norton or Johnny Nelson? The only decent cruiserweights we've had in the last ten years have been Haye and Holyfield (sorry twenty). To bum up Tyson Fury's credentials on the basis of his 'box office' is patently ridiculous, when his last fight would not have broken even had it not been for the undercard. All credit to you having paid for a ticket, but you must have felt lonely at 1 o clock in the morning sitting in the Exel after everybody had gone home half way through the snooze fest that was Fury Chis.
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It doesnt change the fact he is getting a higher profile all the time.
If only Haye had been as confident and keen to have fought tyson;)
So it's all about profile now? Funny, I thought it was about becoming World champ. It's a common fact that once defeated, profile turns into Rat shit!
I was talking about Furys ability to be a pay per view fighter compared to Haye. He almost was twice, even before his first world title fight. Haye didn't become a pay per view fighter until his third world title fight against Valuev.
Also, once beaten profile does not turn to "rat shit". Mike Tyson earned more in his career years ago than Wlad has. I bet Mayorga has earnt more than most current world champs also. A high profile is whats needed to sell fights.
FFS Ross! Your getting silly now with selective 'facts' who the fuck pays for an 'alphabet' world cruiserweight title, to see Rob Norton or Johnny Nelson? The only decent cruiserweights we've had in the last ten years have been Haye and Holyfield (sorry twenty). To bum up Tyson Fury's credentials on the basis of his 'box office' is patently ridiculous, when his last fight would not have broken even had it not been for the undercard. All credit to you having paid for a ticket, but you must have felt lonely at 1 o clock in the morning sitting in the Exel after everybody had gone home half way through the snooze fest that was Fury Chis.
The only people who left early were those who had arranged their travel plans. The place was still heaving!
Even if it was half empty there was still 9000 there watching it you muppet!;D
Also, "alphabet" cruiser weight title? Haye and his fans would have you believe he was the undisputed champ?
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Its been a long time since it has.
Arreola Stiverne was highly dramatic.
If your referring to Wladmir's fights, well that is because we live in an era where the HW champion is all but invincible.
If you lived in an era without a dominant champion you would call it an "alphabet era" and STILL complain, this time that there were no stand out champion boxers.
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
So you are answering by saying fury has never fought box office ? What has haye got to do with it? I was asking about fury that's all.
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
How many fights did Haye have before winning the wbc and wba belts in his opponent's home country? 20
How many world title fights has fury been in (let alone won) and how many pro fights has he had?
Haye won an EBU title after 15 fights, how many has it taken Fury?
I wonder if you will reply with simple and direct answers to my questions, or convoluted excuses (my money is on the latter).
Haye has only had 5 fights more than Fury, Fury has a lot of catching up to do to even match how little David Haye has allegedly done. I'm not saying Haye has had an amazing career, but judging Fury by the standards YOU judge Haye by - Fury needs to get a move on...
Maybe everybody is just scared of him? :vd:
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Question for you guys , how many times has fury fought BOXOFFICE , and was his last fight BOXOFFICE ?
Fury is yet to fight for a world title.
How many world title fights had Haye had before he was "box office"?
How many fights did Haye have before winning the wbc and wba belts in his opponent's home country? 20
How many world title fights has fury been in (let alone won) and how many pro fights has he had?
Haye won an EBU title after 15 fights, how many has it taken Fury?
I wonder if you will reply with simple and direct answers to my questions, or convoluted excuses (my money is on the latter).
Haye has only had 5 fights more than Fury, Fury has a lot of catching up to do to even match how little David Haye has allegedly done. I'm not saying Haye has had an amazing career, but judging Fury by the standards YOU judge Haye by - Fury needs to get a move on...
Maybe everybody is just scared of him? :vd:
Adam do you know how many BOXOFFICE fights fury has had ? nobody seems to know the answer ?
