Re: If Trump gets stripped at the convention-(DON'T BLAME THE ESTABLISHMENT)
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brocktonblockbust
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SlimTrae
Okay..
Didnt go downtown Cleveland today, too hot!
But to retake my thread...many Republicans against Trump have made it clear to me why.
I will (try) to convey it.
Short answer is a battle of loyalty.
George Washington spoke of it and protestors yesterday tried to bring it to Pro Trump.
They weren't listenin....imo.
Loyalty to principles
Or loyalty to one's party.
And what if...our party nomination doesn't espouse our principles.. .
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SlimTrae IMO you politicize too much. I don't like Trump because he's Republican. I like him Cuz he's Trump. People I've spoken to don't like him bcuz he's a Republican. They like him because he is himself.
IMO bro people are too into the Dem/Repub paradigm, that the govt wants people to fall for.
If Trump became Democrat today, I'd vote for Trump.
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Hey, opinions are what we're here for!!! Agree to disagree. Politicians and pundits politicize, I emphasize!
People I speak to,and those whom I quoted here think he's a basket case!!
Like the DC vice chair of the GOP who just resigned and now backs Gary Johnson.
See I said I wouldn't quote liberals, mainstream... Especially communism...good grief, you knew I'd come guns a blazing for that!!:badass:
Glen Beck...now endorsing Gary Johnson. Not concrete but if Cruz, Bush asks their supporters to do the same... Geesh.
And when I left the RNC FreetheDelegates are backing Gary.
I am just emphasizing that the very people labeled as establishment... Aren't fighting Trump.
Least emphasizing the comments written here is just a microcosm of people who won't ignore Trump's forked tongue on every issue.
Not what I call facts, nor politicising.... Just what I see as an assessment. Not everyone votes on liking a candidate, some of us vote on practicing principles, not just preaching them.
Gary Johnson 2016 Dark horse.:box3:
Re: If Trump gets stripped at the convention-(DON'T BLAME THE ESTABLISHMENT)
i dont care about any forked tongue. He's clear enough for me on the following key issues for me and for millions of people:
#1. ENFORCE THE FUCKING LAWS ON THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, ON PREVIOUSLY-DEPORTED PEOPLE, ON THE VETTING PROCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO APPLY TO COME HERE, ON COUNTRIES THAT DONT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE (SOUTH KOREA, JAPAN, ETC), AND ON SECRETARIES OF STATE WHO COMMIT INDIRECT TREASON BY LYING, PUTTING TOP SECRET CLASSIFIED INFO ON PERSONAL SERVERS/DELETING THE EMAILS/ ETC... ENFORCE THE FUCKING LAWS. ENFORCE THE FUCKING LAWS.
NEVER HEARD ANY FORKED TONGUE SHIT ABOUT THAT.
#2. BUILD A FUCKING WALL TO KEEP OUT MEXICANS, GUATEMALANS, SALVADORENAS, HONDURENAS, COLOMBIANS, ECUADORENAS, AND ALL PEOPLE WHO SNEAK ACROSS THE US/MEXICO BORDER ILLEGALLY WHICH CAN (AND ALREADY HAS BEEN!) TERRORISTS AND PEOPLE FROM ISIS, ETC.....
KEEP THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS OUT
OUT
OUT
OUT
OUT
SHOOT ON SIGHT ITS LIKE A THIEF BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE
SHOOT ON SIGHT ITS LIKE A THIEF BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE
SHOOT ON SIGHT ITS LIKE A THIEF BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE
IF THIS IS UNPALATABLE TO ANYONE, THAT PERSON IS GAY
SHOOT ON SIGHT. ITS LIKE A THIEF BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE: SHOOT ON SIGHT
NEVER HEARD ANY FORKED TONGUE ON THAT EITHER.
I CAN GO ON, BUT .................
VOTE FOR TRUMP.
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Let's hope he isn't the next guy to hollar build a wall...get elected...then get amnesia!!! lmao!!!
Well we know he isnt forked tonguing with Rosie O'Donnell. She is still that fat bimbo pig today that he called her yesterday.
And we may get the first goldigging first lady!!!!
Hopefully they can stop those Ted Cruz speech jihadists from loading her speech with plagerbombs!!!
Hopefully there's got to be some. Hooters employees with incentive now.
How I married a 70 year old sugar daddy and becam first lady...with stepkids my age!!
Only in America! :appl:
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The red meat that is the wall kills me. Seriously wonder what the plan is to combat the tons of narcotics coming in from tunnels. Its a literal ant farm. These fookers make the Viet Cong look like amateurs building sand castles at the beach.
Watched close listening for specifics the other night. Not much at all. He is yet another who addresses the fight against Isis as if it were a simple police action. Does anyone know how 'catch and release' works along the boarder? When he ends it do we stop catching or releasing?
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Stoping Isis does seem to be fairly simple and progress can be made as seen with the Russian example. The only reason Isis did well is because certain nations were funding them and allowing them to trade the oil while simultaneously being obsessed with toppling Assad. Another example, the French are back in Syria, but for some reason only seem to be able to hit civilian structures not being able to see the oil truck convoys or anything truly suspicious. You beat Isis by getting real and giving Assad control over his country again. It really is that simple. Oh, and by closing the borders and sending people back home to Syria after compensating Assad for all the mayhem.
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my dear friends, its going to be ugly, bIve been saying for a bout a year now, there is going to be a really ugly intense violent backlash to counter the last 8 years of Kumbaya sell-the-farm everything is OK, Love is the Answer SJW bullshuit, I dont suipport what is going to happen but it is going to happen, it will be a n unfortunate backlash
Re: If Trump gets stripped at the convention-(DON'T BLAME THE ESTABLISHMENT)
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Gandalf
Stoping Isis does seem to be fairly simple and progress can be made as seen with the Russian example. The only reason Isis did well is because certain nations were funding them and allowing them to trade the oil while simultaneously being obsessed with toppling Assad. Another example, the French are back in Syria, but for some reason only seem to be able to hit civilian structures not being able to see the oil truck convoys or anything truly suspicious. You beat Isis by getting real and giving Assad control over his country again. It really is that simple. Oh, and by closing the borders and sending people back home to Syria after compensating Assad for all the mayhem.
Simple, unless of course Isis is remnants of Al Quada, Taliban, pick-a-band of towel head mofos hollering praise be to anyway they can kill.
See, I haven't forgotten 15 years ago...same killings, same people:different name.
Haven't forgotten Taliban to Hezbollah killed in certain countries.. Now they're trans-Global killers.
Most important, I know about oh....70-80% of the politicians whom started this mess will still be apart of the American Senate and Congress.
Same idiot politicians (liberals and conservatives).....new name (socialists and tea party).
Hard to kill enemies who blend in with civilian clothing not subservient to borders aka stateless enemies.
We'll rid the world of roaches and rats before we can kill a mindset.
As far as borders. .see I can dig where you're coming from. But I wonder, really...
Can you understand my perspective?:confused:
1992 a dude named Newt Gingrich was the first to hit it home...but guess what..
After his party took control..by 1996....they weren't filibustered from getting done: they just didn't.
With Republican governors on the border Texas, California... They seemed to use that mantra for election season.
Today...Romney same speech 2012 election.
Trump speech of a nation of laws is a carbon copy of Bill Clinton's 1996 speech on illegal immigrants...check it out, serious! Google it!!! Helped get him reelected LOL!
How does an American like myself hear this pledge for 20 years say...Oh! He's the immigrant messiah! Especially knowing he has repeatedly said nothing about employers who hire illegls...suffer no consequence? Surely my vote would consider securing borders...then no details on any issue foreign or domestic. Hell no.
What else will he try to do for the people????
...education, taxes, infrastructure... He's ran for 12 months on a wall and crackpot insults. He's against the establishment??? Naw...title of thread G....FreetheDelegates were....but the establishment denied their right to prove how many delegates were simultaneously against Trump AND establishment.
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My take on Trump as a flip flopper or steady as an old oak Tree...
Trump in 1990 on health care I quote: So I'm very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care
Today has he really said anything to prove or disprove? Or vague and ambiguous? I can't ask Democrats to be specific, but not Republicans. Both candidates speak up.
Trump in 1990...however holds the same on (how) America loses, I quote: We've been ripped as a country by virtually every country we do business with.
Regardless of who was president.. Trump IMO hasn't waivered on this.
When Bush styled Republicans applauded NAFTA..Trump said it will look good initially, but after a few years it won't look bad; it will look like a disaster. (Damn! He was right)
1991 Trump said Reagan's 2nd tax cut was the most disastrous act yet aka 1986 Tax reform Act...(Bush sr, had to re-nig on his no new taxes pledge just to compensate how badly we were impacted by it)
Trump once said he'd run with Oprah Winfrey as VP...serious. Not sure how to grade that other than...he's not a racist.
Most crucial for me...is he respects all the past Federal Reserve Chairmen, I don't.
So monetary policy under Trump, Sanders, Cruz, Clinton will continue to allow a private entity to set interest rates, and print currency at their discretion ...artificially creating inflation.
Hell...even Gary Johnson waffles a bit on that. Only Ron Paul and dead ASS Andrew Jackson wanted to make the privately owned pranksters...public.
Verdict: Trump is another establishment representative.
Re: If Trump gets stripped at the convention-(DON'T BLAME THE ESTABLISHMENT)
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Spicoli
The red meat that is the wall kills me. Seriously wonder what the plan is to combat the tons of narcotics coming in from tunnels. Its a literal ant farm. These fookers make the Viet Cong look like amateurs building sand castles at the beach.
Watched close listening for specifics the other night. Not much at all. He is yet another who addresses the fight against Isis as if it were a simple police action. Does anyone know how 'catch and release' works along the boarder? When he ends it do we stop catching or releasing?
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for policy from Trump. He doesn't do policy. He hasn't built any buildings for years, just licenced his name to various building projects and other businesses like Trump Steaks and Trump Water. It looks like he isn't going to run his administration either, just licence his name to it:
But according to the Kasich adviser (who spoke only under the condition that he not be named), Donald Jr. wanted to make him an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.
Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?
“Making America great again” was the casual reply.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/ma...mate.html?_r=1
Which means if he does get elected you're going to get a standard GOP administration. Massive tax cuts for the rich and slashing government programmes for everybody else. If you want to know how that will work have a look at Brownback's efforts in Kansas or, uh, Jindal in your neck of the woods.
Having said that he'd probably have a better policy over Isis/Syria than Hitlery who proposes to bomb and damage the Assad regime. It's a Ba'athist regime like Saddam's was in Iraq and like Saddam's regime runs every single organ of the state. Destroy Assad and you have an entirely failed state as opposed to a partially failed state which would be failed for decades to come. Trump actually wants to let Putin get on with it and help Assad establish order. Although whether he'd actually do anything he's talking about now is to say the least open to question, he changes his policies one way then back again all the time.
And he could definitely win too. He's started a culture war and Hillary is trying to fight him with fact checkers. Ooooh, look at this graph! People aren't interested in facts, they're pissed off and angry at the establishment and Hitlery is the establishment. Trump isn't and he's offering solutions to peoples' problems. It's all bullshit and he knows it but he doesn't give a shit, he's just trying to get elected. Then it's Pence's problem.
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Donald Trump, foreign policy genius, on how to deal with Iraq. Take the oil! This might be my favourite Trump idea of all in some stiff competition.
Donald Trump Has No Clue Where Iraq's Oil Is | Mother Jones
The economic boom in Kansas.
The GOP Must Answer for What It Did to Kansas -- NYMag
The four living former Governors of Kansas (from both parties) unite against Brownback.
Republican And Democratic Predecessors Unite Against Sam Brownback's Policies | ThinkProgress
They don't seem to realise falling revenues leading to spending cuts is a feature, not a bug, as far as the GOP establishment is concerned.
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Mother Jones NY Magazine and Think Progress....well at least your sources aren't horribly biased :-X
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El Kabong
Mother Jones NY Magazine and Think Progress....well at least your sources aren't horribly biased :-X
They're full of facts Lyle. They're not opinion pieces. If you'd like to take issue with any of the facts in the articles then go ahead.
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