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Originally Posted by
Beanz
So your response is to continue to patronise? Taqiya is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted. So much like Galileo when operating in the time of the Spanish Inquisition in order not to tortured and murdered by the extremists of his day, a pragmatic solution can keep you alive. I know that there is a huge tradition of martydom in Christianity where such people are elevated as heroic for enduring death because they refuse to recant or deny their beliefs but that is not the only way. Just as not all Christians are honorable or even Christian in the way they act of course many Muslims will use any excuse to act in the most unislamic of ways.
You are continuing to invent positions I have never held and lie in order to somehow bolster your own argument. Where have I said that all cultures are equal? Do you think that somebody like myself who has virtually eulogised Christopher Hitchens in past posts would take such a view? There is even a thread somewhere that I started suggesting that Multicultralism does not work and that no culture or particular group is equal. Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white? who knows, in that case your own culture would seem to be trailing behind a lot of the rest of the world, particularly Europe which yourself and Brockton are incredibly eager to patronise and dismiss as being sheep like and naive.
I have huge problems with Islam and the fundamentals of many religions but That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable. Lazy excuse for debate mate. It personifies your recent style in which you take an extreme view and dismiss everything that does not agree with it. That is one thing even Titofan can see despite probably being virtually diametrically opposed to me on most issues.
Oh fuck....are you kidding me right now?
Bringing up taqiya and the treaty of Hudaybiyyah isn't "patronizing" I'm asking if you know what they fucking are....and low and behold you bring up taqiya "is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted".....well how might ISIS and Al Qaeda utilize that given this refugee crisis? Or are you of the belief that they won't use that? These are NOT asked in a patronizing way so don't get your panties in a twist, I'm just fucking asking direct questions if that's ok with you.
"Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white?".....now say I patronize again....fucking type it out again. You post that and accuse ME of patronizing....just allow that to sink in for a second dear.
"That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable." .....what did you say about me being unable to detect nuance?
Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. I'm shocked that definition isn't followed by a (
see @
Beanz).
Have I said
" all Syrians as potential terrorists" or have I said that terrorists would infiltrate those refugee groups? There is a difference no? I see a difference, if you can't then maybe....just maybe it's YOU with the problem and not me :-\
I've used the words "Syrian refugee" in quotes because lots of the people coming to Europe are
"'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' " from other nations that are simply taking advantage of the situation. Or isn't that happening? (
Anis Amri: He had arrived in Italy by boat in 2011 from Tunisia, which was opening its borders in the first attempts at democratization following the Arab Spring.) Remember the 21 year old Syrian refugee who murdered a pregnant woman with a machete? A 17-year-old Afghan refugee injured at least 20 train passengers with an axe and a knife in Germany’s Würzburg. The man was shot dead by German police later. Three suspected Islamic State group suicide bombers targeted the international terminal of Istanbul’s Ataturk airport, killing at least 36 people and wounding many others, Turkish officials said. Two teenage Islamic extremists threw a bomb at a Sikh temple during a wedding in the Essen city of Germany. Three members of the Sikh community were injured. A 15-year-old girl stabbed and severely injured a policemen in Hanover in Germany after she was stopped for a search. She had earlier tried to join the Islamic State but was stopped by her mother.....now you let in refugees unvetted and all willy nilly maybe those refugees are ISIS/Al Qaeda members, maybe they are recruiters, maybe they bring ideas with them that pollute the minds and mosques of French, German, English Muslims....is it wrong for me to want a bit of safety? Syria is dangerous, but there's no reason to import dangerous people from the Middle East along with those fleeing such dangers.
All I ask for is vetting the refugees and if it's not possible to vet them all then perhaps keeping them in safe places closer to Syria but out of harm's way is best.....but somehow, some way Beanz you take that and you say I'm all these horrible things ooooh AND I'm patronizing too! At the end of the day I'd just like to see less people attacked, less people killed, less people injured.....and apparently that's a bad thing because I don't agree with the way you want to achieve those goals......or don't you want to achieve those goals?
