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+76 :coolclick: sweetpea yea thats the floyd that i like, he rematch castillo. he too knew he should of lost that, thats why he rematch but he also knew he should beat him in the rematch. only if floyd would of stayed hungry, unlike the floyd now...
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i dunno if anyone's mentioned this yet but boxrec's got the second castillo mayweather fight scored closer than the first.
strange as i can remember the second fight being pretty one sided.
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+76 :coolclick: sweetpea yea thats the floyd that i like, he rematch castillo. he too knew he should of lost that, thats why he rematch but he also knew he should beat him in the rematch. only if floyd would of stayed hungry, unlike the floyd now...
Thanks for the CC, but how is Floyd not hungry?
He's moving up to his 5th weight class and challenging Oscar De La Hoya!!
If he weren't hungry, he would've stayed at 147 and fought an easy fight against a stiff like Margarito.
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype. he should have the hunger to eradicate any one close to a challenge. fighting a mitchell just doesnt show hunger, fighting for another titles, what does it really mean if that champion just won that title from some one he already beat. i mean baldomir, both floyd and baldomir has already beaten judah and gatti. baldomir had a nice run. but we all know floyd would make easy work of baldomir.
now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
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Castillo -vs Mayweather
My Score Card
Round 01-Mayweather
Round 02-Mayweather
Round 03-Castillo
Round 04-Mayweather
Round 05-Castillo
Round 06-Castillo
Round 07-Castillo
Round 08-Mayweather
Round 09-Mayweather
Round 10-Castillo
Round 11-Castillo
Round 12-Castillo
Castillo 115 O0
Mayweather 113
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shot???did judah??? judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....
thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shot???did judah??? judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....
thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!
And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had fucking 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?
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So are we ready for another one or are there still people in the process of watching Mayweather-Castillo?? I don't want to rush people who are still trying to score the fight.
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shot???did judah??? judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....
thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!
And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?
wow, the point wasn't only intended for floyd to fight strickly undefeated fighters, reread the whole thing again, you need to atleast read twice remember to get it.
both baldomir and margarito were champs, why not take on tony how come he didn't deserve to fight floyd? did judah??? did mitchell??? floyd is in no position to say someone doesn't deserve a shot at him after fighting guys who really doesn't. because it makes him look bad, and the sport with it, he is our p4p king. come on for a unkown fighter like margarito, to make the sports p4p king stustutter like that was embarrassing. ahah
how did you get to pac??? yea pac hasn't been fighting undefeated fighters. he took care of the legends in his division first, can't say a thing about that. thats what he should do as a young fighter, take out the top dogs first, then the undefeated challengers like valero can be next down the road.
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shot???did judah??? judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....
thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!
And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?
whats your point about chi having 3 losses,chi is a good fighter but yea his no oscar but oscar is past it and oscar has more then 3 losses...larios has 4, yea soooo look at judahs...and judah was beating floyd in the early rounds, yea velazques has about 10 uhh...so does baldomir...and pac stop valezques in 6, floyd ran away from baldomir...and baldo has no power or speed...pac k.oed mab and em...anybody in floyds record as good as mab and em? nope
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shot???did judah??? judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...
true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....
thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!
And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?
wow, the point wasn't only intended for floyd to fight strickly undefeated fighters, reread the whole thing again, you need to atleast read twice remember to get it.
both baldomir and margarito were champs, why not take on tony how come he didn't deserve to fight floyd? did judah??? did mitchell??? floyd is in no position to say someone doesn't deserve a shot at him after fighting guys who really doesn't. because it makes him look bad, and the sport with it, he is our p4p king. come on for a unkown fighter like margarito, to make the sports p4p king stustutter like that was embarrassing. ahah
how did you get to pac??? yea pac hasn't been fighting undefeated fighters. he took care of the legends in his division first, can't say a thing about that. thats what he should do as a young fighter, take out the top dogs first, then the undefeated challengers like valero can be next down the road.
I guess I paid more attention to the part in bold.
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when i said hungry, i mean how he should be after other fighters hype, about hattons hype, cottos hype, even margaritos hype.
What makes you think either Cotto or Hatton has wanted to fight Floyd up to this point. Cotto is still working his way up the ladder, his promoters weren't going to throw him in the ring with Floyd. Maybe a year or two from now.
Hatton can talk all he wants, but he seems to not even be in a rush to fight Castillo, let alone Floyd.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
now a challenge is a challenge, who cares if its a unkown fighter, like margarito. why not accept, floyd was offer a big pay day. its not like he was fighting any one even bigger named then margarito at the time.
What makes you think Margarito would have been a bigger challenge then Baldomir? People can criticize Judah or Gatti all they want, but Baldomir beat them both, and they're both better than anyone Margarito had beaten up to that point.
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
the fight with oscar is another weight class, thats the only thing pretty impressive. is that his moving up in weight again. beating an old oscar, that just got ko'ed by bhop, out gun by sturm and then knock out a mayorga who just plain is a stupid fighter....NOT SO IMPRESSIVE, that is if floyd make easy work of him....
Wow, you really think this? Do you honestly think that beating Antonio Margarito would be more impressive than Oscar De La Hoya?? You must be joking.
hey first of i never said margarito would be a bigger win then oscar, that point was about floyds hunger. if he was so hungry for greatness, he would of take the huge payday and made easy work of margarito, i'm no fan of margarito i dont think is any good or any better then baldomir. to me baldomir and margarito is pretty much both easy work for floyd. i just don't get why floyd said, margarito don't deserve to get a fight with him, but come on did mitchell deserve a shot???did judah??? judah just got whoop by baldomir...baldomir had the title that pretty much is all floyd was after. not eradicating the doubt of how he'd do against a hungry undefeated fighter like hatton or cotto, i'm not saying those two will beat floyd nor do they want a fight with floyd. but as a p4p king shouldn't it make more sense to be talking about wanting to fight guys like those two. then being inlove with himself and saying his already a great. come on, floyd cried when he beat gatti...a gatti, his like a c level fighter. floyd felt that was a huge accomplishment. he himself said he'd make easy work of him...anyways hopefully you know what i meant when i said hungry...
true hungry for greatness and show it, don't talk about your already a great. beating guys already been beaten isn't much of a campaign to greatness when there are undefeated fighters he should be hungry to take there virginity to leave no doubt....
thats my point hopefully you got it.
peAce!
And what undefeated fighters should Mayweather be fighting? Hatton don't want to fight him. And Arum won't put Cotto in with him. You putting way to much emphasis into fighters with undefeated records. Pac ain't fighting guys with undefeated records. Chi got 3 losses. Larios had 4. Velazquez had F****** 10. Why don't you say anything about him. Or is the hating only directed at Mayweather?
wow, the point wasn't only intended for floyd to fight strickly undefeated fighters, reread the whole thing again, you need to atleast read twice remember to get it.
both baldomir and margarito were champs, why not take on tony how come he didn't deserve to fight floyd? did judah??? did mitchell??? floyd is in no position to say someone doesn't deserve a shot at him after fighting guys who really doesn't. because it makes him look bad, and the sport with it, he is our p4p king. come on for a unkown fighter like margarito, to make the sports p4p king stustutter like that was embarrassing. ahah
how did you get to pac??? yea pac hasn't been fighting undefeated fighters. he took care of the legends in his division first, can't say a thing about that. thats what he should do as a young fighter, take out the top dogs first, then the undefeated challengers like valero can be next down the road.
I guess I paid more attention to the part in bold.
yea exactly, you paid to much attention to that, ignored the rest...and misunderstood, how? because i refered to cotto and hatton, they would look good on pbfs record, look better then beating another chump he'll easily whipe out. pbf has a high statues, he can demand fights, all i'm saying is, if greatness is his true desire then he should make a fool of any one coming close to your hype as the best in a division. point is, pbf is p4p king, but there are fighters in his division he should be whooping and shouldnt be staying undefeated so floyd will look better, his p4p king but not much of grip on his division. cotto and hatton are making noise there and floyd is just ignoring it. sucks to have three undefeated in one good division. it fruastrates a fan like me.
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point is, pbf is p4p king, but there are fighters in his division he should be whooping and shouldnt be staying undefeated so floyd will look better, his p4p king but not much of grip on his division. cotto and hatton are making noise there and floyd is just ignoring it. sucks to have three undefeated in one good division. it fruastrates a fan like me.
But you keep avoiding the most important point, which is that Cotto and Hatton don't want to fight him!!!! At least not now, in Cotto's case.
Hatton isn't making noise in Floyd's division, he fought one mediocre fight there and then ran back to 140. He's not making any noise at 147.
Cotto is certainly making noise at 147, but he's still working his way up to more difficult opponents, and since Cotto is younger, it's to his advantage to wait a while to fight Floyd, the older Floyd is the more beatable he will be.
So what do you want Floyd to do? Hold a gun to Hatton and Cotto's head and force them to fight him??
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point is, pbf is p4p king, but there are fighters in his division he should be whooping and shouldnt be staying undefeated so floyd will look better, his p4p king but not much of grip on his division. cotto and hatton are making noise there and floyd is just ignoring it. sucks to have three undefeated in one good division. it fruastrates a fan like me.
But you keep avoiding the most important point, which is that Cotto and Hatton don't want to fight him!!!! At least not now, in Cotto's case.
Hatton isn't making noise in Floyd's division, he fought one mediocre fight there and then ran back to 140. He's not making any noise at 147.
Cotto is certainly making noise at 147, but he's still working his way up to more difficult opponents, and since Cotto is younger, it's to his advantage to wait a while to fight Floyd, the older Floyd is the more beatable he will be.
So what do you want Floyd to do? Hold a gun to Hatton and Cotto's head and force them to fight him??
ahah no, its simple all floyd has to do is show that his hungry for that fight, so his not to be blame or critize about it. instead of saying his gonna retire after he fights oscar, was that too hard to understand???
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Mayweather vs. Castillo I
It was at least a draw, with the knockdown Castillo wins.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Mayweather vs. Castil
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
It was at least a draw, with the knockdown Castillo wins.
sorry mate what knockdown ??
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Mayweather vs. Castillo I
the knockdown was counted as a knockdown on the score cards but i cant remember the ref actually counting mayweather (but surely he must have done for the judges to score it that way) someone will have to put a link on. off the top of my head i can remember it being more of a push though. i'll have to see it again i reckon
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Mayweather vs. Castillo I
February 13, 1999. Oscar De La Hoya (29-0, 24 KO) vs. Ike Quartey (34-0-1, 29 KO) for De La Hoya's WBC Welterweight Title.
The judges awarded DLH a split decision victory 116-112, 116-113, 114-115 (Quartey).
Normally I don't want to do a bunch of fights with the same fighters, and I know we just did DLH-Whitaker, but I couldn't pass this one up. Besides being a controversial decision, this is just a GREAT fight. I actually think this is the most exciting of all of DLH's fights, I like it better than the first Mosley fight. Two champions in their prime going at it for 12 rounds.
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Quartey | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 8 | 114
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De La Hoya| 10 | 9 | 10| 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 113
I thought De La Hoya won 3 out of the first 4, when he was busier than Quartey.
In the 6th, both fighters were knocked down on clean punches, I scored the round for Quartey because I thought he the knockdowns cancelled each other out, and that Quartey controlled the majority of the round. I scored it 10-9 instead of 9-8 because that was how Lederman scored it, so I assume it falls under the 10 point must rules.
Quartey dominated the middle of the fight, buckling DLH's knees several times. I thought DLH showed tons of heart in the 12th for coming out strong when he knew he needed a huge round, and I thought Quartey showed tremendous heart for staying up and continuing to throw punches even as DLH was nailing him with big punches on the ropes.
Halpern could have stopped the fight and it would have been OK, but I thought he was right to let it go on, because Quartey was still throwing back.
Usually a close fight has lots of clsoe rounds that could go either way, but I thought Quartey clearly won 7 rounds in this fight, and that DLH clearly won his 5 rounds. I think it should have been an easy fight to score. It's a complete joke that one judge had it 116-112 for Oscar, that card isn't even close.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
going to have to download this fight i dont have it
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
actually just found fight on youtube ill put it on here for anyone who hasnt got it
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
Oscar De La Hoya v. Ike Quartey rounds will be in order
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
actually just found fight on youtube ill put it on here for anyone who hasnt got it
:coolclick: #536 excellent job mate. posting link really helps out the thread i think ! O0
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
actually just found fight on youtube ill put it on here for anyone who hasnt got it
:coolclick: #536 excellent job mate. posting link really helps out the thread i think ! O0
lol thanks bro havent spoke to you in a while cc back
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Quartey | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 8 | 113
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De La Hoya| 10 | 10 | 10| 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 114
Just like De La Hoya threw it away against Tito late on , I think Quartey threw it away against Oscar late on . I had him one point up going into the last round . As long as he didnt lose that round the fight was his but he lost it big .
1st half of the fight was Oscars . He boxed well . Not much action but I think he was winning the rounds cuz Quartey was too slow to get to work . Round 6 Quartey wasnt hurt from the left hook . Oscar was . Plus he stayed hurt for the whole round which I think Quartey won so 10-9 is fair to Quartey even though both men went down . 2nd half of the fight was all Ike . He was dominating . Better sharper jab , getting hit less, he had more power and looked in control . Not much action from either man but Ike was winning round after round . He had it in the bag but that left hook at the start of the 12th hurt him . Oscar went all out for the K.o but called off the assult when a right hand hurt him . He was so close to a k.o win but deserved the fght by 1 point IMO .
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
rd1 ike 10-9
rd2 oscar 10-9
rd3 oscar 10-9
rd4 oscar 10-9
rd5 ike 10-9
rd6 ike 10-9
rd7 ike 10-9
rd8 ike 10-9
rd9 ike10-9
rd10 oscar 10-9
rd11 ike 10-9
rd12 oscar 10-8
ike 114 oscar 113
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
I think the controversy is the fact that Oscar was AHEAD going into the 12th round on the judges scorecards.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
Round 01- Quartey 10-9
Round 02- Delahoya 10-9
Round 03- Delahoya 10-9
Round 04- Delahoya 10-9
Round 05- Quartey 10-9
Round 06- Quartey 10-9
Round 07- Quartey 10-9
Round 08- Quartey 10-9
Round 09- Quartey 10-9
Round 10- Delahoya 10-9
Round 11-Quartey 10-9
Round 12- Delahoya 10-8
Delahoya 113
Quartey 114
Had a good time watching that match again ! Really love Ike Quartey's jab, if Ike got that RT hand working more in his career as a whole , he would have been a world beater ! O0
I noticed I am the only person that scored the 1st round for Quartey?? Oscar's little flurry at the end hit elbows ! Quartey spent the majority of the round backing Oscar up and landing that sweet jab ! watch it again !
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
Round 01- Quartey
Round 02- De La Hoya
Round 03- De La Hoya
Round 04- De La Hoya
Round 05- Quartey
Round 06- Quartey
Round 07- Quartey
Round 08- Quartey
Round 09- Quartey
Round 10- Quartey
Round 11- Quartey
Round 12- De La Hoya
114-111 Quartey. I taught Ike won this pretty easily. I have no idea how Oscar could of been winning going into the 12th
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
My Card
DLH ROUND QUARTEY
10 1 9
9 2 10
10 3 9
10 4 9
9 5 10
9 6 10
9 7 10
9 8 10
9 9 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
10 12 8
113 114
Just about gave it to Quartey - but still think it should've been stopped in the 12th - I know Quartey recovered qucikly and with hindsight it looks a good decision to let him go on, I just think he took to many shots.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
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Originally Posted by BIG H
My Card
DLH ROUND QUARTEY
10 1 9
9 2 10
10 3 9
10 4 9
9 5 10
9 6 10
9 7 10
9 8 10
9 9 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
10 12 8
113 114
Just about gave it to Quartey - but still think it should've been stopped in the 12th - I know Quartey recovered qucikly and with hindsight it looks a good decision to let him go on, I just think he took to many shots.
i agree big h but its hard to stop a fight when he was throwing back and even though they wernt clean he still was throwing back and if they would of stopped it would of been bad decision by ref anyway because ike won rest of 12th round
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
How do yall justify giving Round 1 to Delahoya?? just curious ??? I felt it was an easy round for Quartey. Ike dominated the majority of the round backing Delahoya up using his jab and left hook.. Oscar had a few flurries at the end of R 1 , but landed nothing except on the elbows. The majority of the round was dominated by Ike
I just notice VD is in agreement. anyone else ? look at R 1 again and see what you think !
Hearld must have been watching the ring card girls during R 1 . ;D
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
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Originally Posted by BIG H
My Card
DLH ROUND QUARTEY
10 1 9
9 2 10
10 3 9
10 4 9
9 5 10
9 6 10
9 7 10
9 8 10
9 9 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
10 12 8
113 114
Just about gave it to Quartey - but still think it should've been stopped in the 12th - I know Quartey recovered qucikly and with hindsight it looks a good decision to let him go on, I just think he took to many shots.
Agreed my Zombie loving friend, I thought the ref was going to stop it but he let him go, if I was the ref I would have stopped it, but on points I scored it identical too you.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
How do yall justify giving Round 1 to Delahoya?? just curious ??? I felt it was an easy round for Quartey. Ike dominated the majority of the round backing Delahoya up using his jab and left hook.. Oscar had a few flurries at the end of R 1 , but landed nothing except on the elbows. The majority of the round was dominated by Ike
I just notice VD is in agreement. anyone else ? look at R 1 again and see what you think !
Hearld must have been watching the ring card girls during R 1 . ;D
i watched it again and i changed my mind ike did win that round and i now have ike winning the fight by 1 point let me change my post
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
114-113 Quartey, if not more rounds to Quartey.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
How do yall justify giving Round 1 to Delahoya?? just curious ??? I felt it was an easy round for Quartey. Ike dominated the majority of the round backing Delahoya up using his jab and left hook.. Oscar had a few flurries at the end of R 1 , but landed nothing except on the elbows. The majority of the round was dominated by Ike
I just notice VD is in agreement. anyone else ? look at R 1 again and see what you think !
Hearld must have been watching the ring card girls during R 1 . ;D
The first round was pretty close, but then again most rounds were . The 1st half minute it was all Ike . He was on the front foot and Oscra was just taking a long look but when he got to work he was letting his shots go to head and body . Ike was coming forward with a high guard but throwing single punches . Oscar let his combinations go several times so I scored the round to him based on that . Its also the reason that he clinched the fight by 1 point . He was willing to take a chance in the last round. Ike boxed like the classier fighter but Oscar was letting his shots go in flurries so it was this effort that swayed the first to Oscar on my card .
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
Would be interesed to see peoples cards for Eubank v Watson I
Anybody got a link?
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quarte
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Would be interesed to see peoples cards for Eubank v Watson I
Anybody got a link?
no but i have the fight i could upload it but ill have to find different uploader because my other one expired but from what i remember watson derserved the nod
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
I think I had it 115-114 for Watson - gave Eubank 5 of the first 6 then Watson pulled it back.
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Re: Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) De La Hoya vs. Quartey
I gave the 1st to DLH based on activity level. Quartey was effective at the beginning, but he didn't throw much at all toward the end, and DLH let loose with a bunch of flurries. They weren't that effective, but some landed.
Definitely a round that could go either way or be called even. If I went back and watched it again, I might change my mind, but I had Quartey winning anyway, so it wouldn't change the outcome for me.
I may be wrong, but I think Merchant may have scored that round for Quartey, or had it even. I think Merchant said at some point that he had one more round for Quartey than Lederman did.
