Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[SweetPea]

I wanted to do something where each week I'd name a big fight from the last 10-15 years, and then we'd all go back and watch the fight and post our round-by-round scoring.

I know there have been plenty of threads in the past about fights with close decisions, but it's mostly just people saying, "I thought this guy got robbed," or "the judges were corrupt," etc.
I want this new thread to be a place where you have to actually go back, watch the fight, and post a detailed scorecard to back up your argument.

I figure even if we just get 12-15 posters who would commit to watch the selected fight each week, it would make for some interesting discussion, especially during weeks where there are no fights on HBO, Showtime, etc.

Update:
Fights scored so far:

Morales-Barrera I: Official decision- Morales by SD, 115-112, 114-113, 113-114 (Barrera)
Our scores:
killersheep: 114-113 Morales
Violent Demise: 115-113 Morales
Ice Cold Boxing: 114-114 Draw
yoitsdan: 114-113 Morales
SweetPea: 114-114 Draw
CutMeMick: 115-113 Morales
Game: 115-112 Barrera
Lords Gym: 115-113 Morales


Lewis-Holyfield I: Official Decision- Draw, 115-113 Holyfield, 116-113 Lewis, 115-115 Draw
Our scores:
SweetPea: 118-110 Lewis
Game: 117-112 Lewis
spanky-banky: 115-112 Lewis
killersheep: 117-111 Lewis
Ice Cold Boxing: 116-113 Lewis

Current fight:
Whitaker vs. De La Hoya

[beerjelly]

Go for it, sounds like a good idea to me

[Scrap]

Good idea

[landmine950]

I'm In!

[Violent Demise]

Not a bad idea. How about the Pernell Whitaker-Wilfredo Rivera fight to start things off?

[SweetPea]

Not a bad idea. How about the Pernell Whitaker-Wilfredo Rivera fight to start things off?

I had a specific fight already in mind to look at first, but Whitaker-Rivera is definitely a good selection. I'd make sure to use that fight at some point pretty soon, maybe even next week.

[Violent Demise]

Not a bad idea. How about the Pernell Whitaker-Wilfredo Rivera fight to start things off?

I had a specific fight already in mind to look at first, but Whitaker-Rivera is definitely a good selection. I'd make sure to use that fight at some point pretty soon, maybe even next week.

Sounds good.

[Bookkeeper]

Whitaker Vs De La Hoya
Whitaker Vs Ramirez
Whitaker Vs Chavez
Trinidad Vs De La Hoya
De La Hoya Vs Sturm
Quartey Vs De La Hoya
Hagler Vs Leonard
Holyfield Vs Lewis 1
Griffin Vs Toney 1 and 2
Jones Vs Tarver 1
Taylor Vs Hopkins 1
And that horrible Byrd Victory are all fights I would like to revisit.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Nice touch.

[SweetPea]

Whitaker Vs De La Hoya
Whitaker Vs Ramirez
Whitaker Vs Chavez
Trinidad Vs De La Hoya
De La Hoya Vs Sturm
Quartey Vs De La Hoya
Hagler Vs Leonard
Holyfield Vs Lewis 1
Griffin Vs Toney 1 and 2
Jones Vs Tarver 1
Taylor Vs Hopkins 1
And that horrible Byrd Victory are all fights I would like to revisit.

Ya, a bunch of these are on the list of fights I was considering. I was debating about whether to even include Whitaker-Ramirez or Whitaker-Chavez, because the fights were so lopsided, there's not even that much to discuss, because it's so obvious they were scored wrong. I'd probably still want to do Whitaker-Chavez though, just because it was such a big fight.
Whitaker-De La Hoya will definitely be one of the first ones to do, because in my opinion it's one of the toughest fights to score in recent decades, neither guy can claim to have clearly won the fight.
Good suggestions.

[killersheep]

This is a brilliant Idea bro, what is the first fight then?

[ICB]

hearns vs leonard 2

dela hoya vs shane mosley 2

michael spinks vs larry holmes 2

just thought id mention ones that hasnt been mentioned yet

[SweetPea]

This is a brilliant Idea bro, what is the first fight then?

Ok here we go. Surprisingly, the one I had in mind for our first fight has not been mentioned yet. I figured we'd start out with a fight that is not only controversial, but also one of the great action fights of this decade. A fight that started what is in my opinion the second greatest trilogy in the history of boxing. The Ali-Frazier of the lower weight classes.

February 19, 2000
Marco Antonio Barrera (49-2) vs. Erik Morales (35-0) at 122 pounds for the WBC and WBO Super Bantamweight Titles.
Morales won by controversial split decision, with two judges scoring 115-112 and 114-113 in his favor, with the third judge scoring the bout 114-113 for Barrera.

Obviously I'm not a moderator, so I don't have the ability to enforce rules, but the one thing I would ask is that people back up their arguments with a scorecard, that's the whole point of the thread idea, to actually go back and score round by round. Once you've posted your scorecard, then you can respond to someone else's, either agreeing or disagreeing.
Have at it.

[killersheep]

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here is a bad looking template, if you guys want to use it.

[Gandalf]

This is a quality thread idea and a big CC to Sweet Pea for thinking it up!! I like it!!!