Sterling work guys, no doubt for me there are those fans who are claiminf the pitchers' fight, especially going, honorably down the line. Shrapnel wankt the win he is letting things cruise as it iz.
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Sterling work guys, no doubt for me there are those fans who are claiminf the pitchers' fight, especially going, honorably down the line. Shrapnel wankt the win he is letting things cruise as it iz.
This was tight. Hate to say it but a draw Is not out of bounds regardless.
Margins off ...117-111 Pavlik, come on ?Ever here "what go's around ,come's around" Taylor? Crowd booing during the Interview a!!holes, this aint the MMA :rolleyes:
motherfucker, there goes some rep. Really feel Taylor should have won that!
Apparently Pavlik is gearing up to fight Felix Trinidad at 160 next.
Not sure what I make of that. Can't see Trinidad having any chance of winning that fight although he could possibly go the 12 rounds if he boxes the way he did against Jones Jr
Gotta amit Cortez he has been on the right side of alot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
I just finished 9 rounds, I have it 5-4 for Taylor. I cannot see how Pavlik won by those margins.
Great RBR Bilbo..Reps coming your way
Good Job Bilbo, Spicoli and all who helped....
F*** I lost a sig bet with Leftylee
Oh sure, I know and I do not deny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
However, when you see this fight you will see that while it was close, Taylor could have conceivably taken every one of the first 8 rounds. They were close rounds, none were a landslide either way, but Pavlik looked sluggish and Taylor looked sharp and fast.
I never bought the argument that Taylor got a lot of gifts from the judges. i thought he deserved the 2 wins vs. BHop and I thought the Winky fight was a draw.
Imo the judges fucked us out of a trilogy and what a trilogy it would have been.
For what it's worth, ESPN had 3 people scoring the fight.
116-112 Taylor
115-113 Pavlik
114-114 Draw
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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
Okay that is good I am excited to see it firsthand and I will probably agree with you as I prefer the boxer every-day.
I am actually sorry JT lost.
I can't see anyone scoring this for Pavlik unless they wanted Pavlik to win. It was a close fight and no robbery, but really can't see how Pavlik won a UD.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Damn those are close scores.
It was much closer in the middle rounds. Taylor could not land enough to win. Some of the scores were wider than i would have thought but Pavlik def won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
First off, good job Bilbo, secondly, FOTY candidate? Third JT has nothing to be ashamed of. Fourth the fight was real close, closer than that one judge for sure. Lastly Lampley was once again wrong in saying JT would be over if he lost, I dont think so.
Good, close fight. 117-111 was a bit too wide, but I really can't see how anybody gave that to Taylor. Pavlik landed more jabs, power shots, and total punches in every single round. Taylor got his licks in, and to an extent redeemed himself, but the decision was sound, in my opinion. Felt bad for Jermain though. He looked like he was about to cry again...
This post highlights the problem though doesn't it. You feel it was really close but wouldn't argue if taylor won the first 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
With that logic if each round could go either way then you can't complain about rounds going the other way.
As it was Pavlik showed a little more urgency to me, especially over the last three rounds.
Very close fight but I think Pavlik did enough,
JT fought his heart out and actually fought a near perfect fight given the circumstances. He wasn't intimidated at all even though he was KO'd by Pavlik.
This was the best performance I have seen from Taylor to date. It is disappointing he lost this way.
I can't imagine why all 3 judges couldve scored such a close fight for Pavlik.
I think they all had the first fight in their head and thought Pavlik was going to score a KO anyways, but it never happened and JT outfought him in the process.
Cheers No Contest. I didn't think it was a particularly exciting fight though to be honest. Close and competitive for sure but hardly a barn burner.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
It was similar to Calzaghe Kessler, a decent solid fight but no real explosive action.
I scored it 114 to 114
Pavlik won by 2 rounds I thought but 117-111??? Why should judges who score so badly be able to do so?
I agree w/ Jesse. 117-112 was probably too wide of a gap, but for Taylor to win is asking a bit much. Pavlik simply worked harder and landed more jabs in almost every round. I thought Taylor did a great job of playing defense and conserving energy in the later rounds in order to land some of his big flurries. in the end, Pavlik earned it thought
I agree w/ Jesse. 117-112 was probably too wide of a gap, but for Taylor to win is asking a bit much. Pavlik simply worked harder and landed more jabs in almost every round. I thought Taylor did a great job of playing defense and conserving energy in the later rounds in order to land some of his big flurries. in the end, Pavlik earned it though
i had it 7-5 Taylor good fight JT really improved the judges got it so wrong Taylor got off most of the clean work and he used his defense well was a tough one to score tho
Double posting a wrong post doesn't make it a right oneQuote:
Originally Posted by jambo54
I had it even, but will need to watch it again without the chinese commentary. I could not hear the action and that does have some influence, well for me anyway. Sometimes the effectiveness of a punch has to be heard as visually it does not always tell you.
They were both solid tonight, I'm surprised one didnt hit the canvas. They were alot more tenative than the first fight for sure mainly IMO because Taylor made Pavlik be careful by tagging him with nice counters in the beginning rounds. I'm sure Pavliks shots were doing more but I think JT was landing cleaner. I would have to watch it completely sober to give an honest score though, I'll watch the replay next weekend I guess...What were the punch stats btw?
my fault, i couldnt figure out how to delete it. but i stand by the contentQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
I was a little surprised by the UD. I had Pavlik winning by 1-2 rounds, but I would have guessed that one judge would see it for JT. Fuckin close fight. JT looked good and did a great job staying away from the big right, but Kelly's workrate and jab won the fight. Look at their faces. Who looked more busted up? Kelly won the fight with that body shot in the 11th. It was even until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
so there were no knockdowns?
I can see a few people giving it to Taylor 115-113. Yeah 117-111 was too wide. JT is such a class act. I feel for the guy. Two great boxers and great men. Too bad one guy had to lose, but the right guy won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
Hopefully we'll see JT v Kessler.
As much as I want to deny It....I had Taylor up by 2 points..Very tight fight.They both came to battle. Just a thought and for no apparent reason, Pavlik vs. Kessler anyone?
I think Taylor should forget Middleweight and stay where He is at. Trilogy ?
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
No knockdowns noQuote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
How? He went through some rounds with very low punch output and Pavlik was consistent throughout the fight. I don't see how people can score this fight to Taylor. I'm not a big fan of either guy but it wasn't like Taylor even hurt Kelly. He got hit but infrequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
COMPUBOX
Pavlik total punches: 267/845
Taylor total punches: 178/456
Pavlik total jabs: 144/484
Taylor total jabs: 102/292
Pavlik power punches: 123/361
Taylor power punches: 76/164
What? Your drunker than me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Kel
so was it pretty boring?
Really that far apart? Makes you wonder how much of those numbers are perception of clean shots. I didnt see it with Pavlik dominating but I guess he just outworked him, Taylor actually has the better land percentages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw