HBO: Martinez vs Murray, Arreola vs Stiverne.... Saturday night fight thread

Why is Junior fighting Vera? Why didn't he wait to see what happened in this fight before fighting Vera? In the alternative, why didn't Junior face Barker? Vera at 165 is way out of his optimal weight class.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Why is Junior fighting Vera?

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Why is Junior fighting Vera? Why didn't he wait to see what happened in this fight before fighting Vera? In the alternative, why didn't Junior face Barker? Vera at 165 is way out of his optimal weight class.

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Barker punked out and said no

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Why is Junior fighting Vera? Why didn't he wait to see what happened in this fight before fighting Vera? In the alternative, why didn't Junior face Barker? Vera at 165 is way out of his optimal weight class.

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Barker punked out and said no

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Barker said they wanted him to fight at super middle.

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Why is Junior fighting Vera? Why didn't he wait to see what happened in this fight before fighting Vera? In the alternative, why didn't Junior face Barker? Vera at 165 is way out of his optimal weight class.

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Barker punked out and said no

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Barker said they wanted him to fight at super middle.

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Yet he turned down the offer

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Why is Junior fighting Vera?

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Why is Junior fighting Vera?

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Way to deflect the argument, dipshit.
I'm ridiculing Junior's shameless spoonfeeding... and something on Papa is all you can come up with?
You idiocy is reaching new depths.

But whatever.....

So I understand it correctly, Barker turned down the fight with Junior because he didn't want to fight Junior at super middleweight. That makes sense, if you're Barker, why go up to super middleweight, if you can still make middleweight.

Has Junior made a statement that he is permanently leaving the middleweight division?

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Why is Junior fighting Vera?

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Way to deflect the argument, dipshit.
I'm ridiculing Junior's shameless spoonfeeding... and something on Papa is all you can come up with?
You idiocy is reaching new depths.

But whatever.....

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you brought his dad up first bitch. I just stated a simple true fact.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

So I understand it correctly, Barker turned down the fight with Junior because he didn't want to fight Junior at super middleweight. That makes sense, if you're Barker, why go up to super middleweight, if you can still make middleweight.

Has Junior made a statement that he is permanently leaving the middleweight division?

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Cuz it would of paid you very well

Did anyone else notice that Sergio Martinez did not look his usual cut-up self? He appeared more fleshy than is typical for him. I wonder if the knee injury suffered in his fight against Junior actually didn't heal as fast as they wanted and that affected his camp. Either way, he's out for a year.

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Did anyone else notice that Sergio Martinez did not look his usual cut-up self? He appeared more fleshy than is typical for him. I wonder if the knee injury suffered in his fight against Junior actually didn't heal as fast as they wanted and that affected his camp. Either way, he's out for a year.

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Dam he's out for a year? Well I guess we seen the best of sergio most likely, another year layoff and surgery and rehab is gona take its toll, damn. And yes he did look less cut than usualy

I had Martinez by 2 rounds...
He won the 11th & 12th rounds which for me won him the fight.

A really close fight.

Also Arreola was talking shit about Fury 2 weeks ago saying he got dropped by a midget and that he would destroy Fury... :-X

Anyone who's impressed by Bermane or whatever his name is should have his vision checked there is absolutely NOTHING "special" about him...
I see nothing there that leads me to believe he can beat either Wlad or Vitaly. I'm wouldn't favor him vs. Adamek or Banks.
Yes he did good. Yes he flat out beat Arreola. Yes he broke Arreolas nose. Yes he dropped Arreola. But it was Arreola...

Same thing with Fury I'd like to see him vs. Adamek, Banks or even Thompson.

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Also Arreola was talking shit about Fury 2 weeks ago saying he got dropped by a midget and that he would destroy Fury... :-X

Anyone who's impressed by Bermane or whatever his name is should have his vision checked there is absolutely NOTHING "special" about him...
I see nothing there that leads me to believe he can beat either Wlad or Vitaly. I'm wouldn't favor him vs. Adamek or Banks.
Yes he did good. Yes he flat out beat Arreola. Yes he broke Arreolas nose. Yes he dropped Arreola. But it was Arreola...

Same thing with Fury I'd like to see him vs. Adamek, Banks or even Thompson.

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So are you saying his nickname should be A-Force Arreola? Maybe to differentiate himself from another guy who gets a big rep and loses badly he should be A-Force One?

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Way to deflect the argument, dipshit.
I'm ridiculing Junior's shameless spoonfeeding... and something on Papa is all you can come up with?
You idiocy is reaching new depths.

But whatever.....

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you brought his dad up first bitch. I just stated a simple true fact.

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Cut the personal bullshit, VD. Everyone here knows you're incapable of even the slightest unbias when it comes to your boy Chavez Jr. You spit out comments like "Barker punked out" without giving it a second thought.

But the worst of it is your stupid claim that Chavez Jr. somehow "ruined" Martinez, when everyone on the planet knows you're full of shit. Junior didn't "ruin" Martinez. Martinez ruined Martinez. He made the mistake of coming back from hurting his knee and his hand. The same hand he used over and over again to beat Junior into a bloody pulp, as he was schooling the shit out of him. Can you get that through your thick fucking skull? Maybe if someone else says it, you'll finally understand.

Now STFU and man up when you've made a fucking stupid comment.

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Way to deflect the argument, dipshit.
I'm ridiculing Junior's shameless spoonfeeding... and something on Papa is all you can come up with?
You idiocy is reaching new depths.

But whatever.....

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you brought his dad up first bitch. I just stated a simple true fact.

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Cut the personal bullshit, VD. Everyone here knows you're incapable of even the slightest unbias when it comes to your boy Chavez Jr. You spit out comments like "Barker punked out" without giving it a second thought.

But the worst of it is your stupid claim that Chavez Jr. somehow "ruined" Martinez, when everyone on the planet knows you're full of shit. Junior didn't "ruin" Martinez. Martinez ruined Martinez. He made the mistake of coming back from hurting his knee and his hand. The same hand he used over and over again to beat Junior into a bloody pulp, as he was schooling the shit out of him. Can you get that through your thick fucking skull? Maybe if someone else says it, you'll finally understand.

Now STFU and man up when you've made a fucking stupid comment.

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What was he suppose to do? Not come back? Not only a dumb bitch like you would say he made a mistake coming back. He just scored the biggest win of his career. He's as popular as he's ever gonna be. And he's position himself to earn the biggest purses of his career. Yet he made a mistake coming back? Yeah ok. First Wlad should retire for the good of boxing. And now Martinez made a mistake coming back. Stupid muthafukka. Again you prove how right I am when I tell you, you don't know shit about boxing. You really fucking don't. And yes you should be feel embarrassed. To the point that you should go throw yourself in front of a bus

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Way to deflect the argument, dipshit.
I'm ridiculing Junior's shameless spoonfeeding... and something on Papa is all you can come up with?
You idiocy is reaching new depths.

But whatever.....

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you brought his dad up first bitch. I just stated a simple true fact.

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Cut the personal bullshit, VD. Everyone here knows you're incapable of even the slightest unbias when it comes to your boy Chavez Jr. You spit out comments like "Barker punked out" without giving it a second thought.

But the worst of it is your stupid claim that Chavez Jr. somehow "ruined" Martinez, when everyone on the planet knows you're full of shit. Junior didn't "ruin" Martinez. Martinez ruined Martinez. He made the mistake of coming back from hurting his knee and his hand. The same hand he used over and over again to beat Junior into a bloody pulp, as he was schooling the shit out of him. Can you get that through your thick fucking skull? Maybe if someone else says it, you'll finally understand.

Now STFU and man up when you've made a fucking stupid comment.

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What was he suppose to do? Not come back? Not only a dumb bitch like you would say he made a mistake coming back. He just scored the biggest win of his career. He's as popular as he's ever gonna be. And he's position himself to earn the biggest purses of his career. Yet he made a mistake coming back? Yeah ok. First Wlad should retire for the good of boxing. And now Martinez made a mistake coming back. Stupid muthafukka. Again you prove how right I am when I tell you, you don't know shit about boxing. You really fucking don't. And yes you should be feel embarrassed. To the point that you should go throw yourself in front of a bus

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"Coming back too fast", I should've said. You know what I meant.
I made a typographical mistake, and you get to crow about it and try to get everyone to forget the stupid, dumbass claim you made about Chavez "ruining" Martinez.

You're a moronic motherfucker who doesn't deserve to live.

I do understand your liking of your boxer guys but calm down, at the end of the day all you all have is a difference of opinion over boxers and nothing more serious.


So who wants to see Broner get KO'd?

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I do understand your liking of your boxer guys but calm down, at the end of the day all you all have is a difference of opinion over boxers and nothing more serious.


So who wants to see Broner get KO'd?

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Me.

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You mean instead of Golovkin or even Murray? Easy. Team Chavez made the mistake of putting Junior's "0" on the line against the first credible opposition he's ever faced, Sergio Martinez. The "0" is now gone, but not the goal of having Junior amass the 100 victories his daddy reached. Ok, so the Martinez fight was a glitch in the masterplan... but now it's back to Plan B.

Vera is there to be hit. Before his last fight with Donatas Bondorovas, Vera publicly said he'd rather not have to face Chavez. But guess what? He won that fight (albeit not too convincingly)... and money talks. So Vera will gladly assume the role of cannon fodder for Junior, who is sure to come into the fight at somewhere between 180 and 190 pounds. Team Chavez will not make THAT mistake again.... no sir.

Need I say more?

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Yeah Chavez Sr. really suck. Most be why he went undefeated against Puerto Rican fighters his whole career.

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Way to deflect the argument, dipshit.
I'm ridiculing Junior's shameless spoonfeeding... and something on Papa is all you can come up with?
You idiocy is reaching new depths.

But whatever.....

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you brought his dad up first bitch. I just stated a simple true fact.

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Cut the personal bullshit, VD. Everyone here knows you're incapable of even the slightest unbias when it comes to your boy Chavez Jr. You spit out comments like "Barker punked out" without giving it a second thought.

But the worst of it is your stupid claim that Chavez Jr. somehow "ruined" Martinez, when everyone on the planet knows you're full of shit. Junior didn't "ruin" Martinez. Martinez ruined Martinez. He made the mistake of coming back from hurting his knee and his hand. The same hand he used over and over again to beat Junior into a bloody pulp, as he was schooling the shit out of him. Can you get that through your thick fucking skull? Maybe if someone else says it, you'll finally understand.

Now STFU and man up when you've made a fucking stupid comment.

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What was he suppose to do? Not come back? Not only a dumb bitch like you would say he made a mistake coming back. He just scored the biggest win of his career. He's as popular as he's ever gonna be. And he's position himself to earn the biggest purses of his career. Yet he made a mistake coming back? Yeah ok. First Wlad should retire for the good of boxing. And now Martinez made a mistake coming back. Stupid muthafukka. Again you prove how right I am when I tell you, you don't know shit about boxing. You really fucking don't. And yes you should be feel embarrassed. To the point that you should go throw yourself in front of a bus

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"Coming back too fast", I should've said. You know what I meant.
I made a typographical mistake, and you get to crow about it and try to get everyone to forget the stupid, dumbass claim you made about Chavez "ruining" Martinez.

You're a moronic motherfucker who doesn't deserve to live.

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I say you don't know shit about boxing. Your dumb ass repeats it. I call you by your birth name. stupid muthafukka. You repeat it. I tell you to go die. You repeat it. What a fucking pathetic parrot you are.

I'm far from being you. I don't take comments back. Typographical mistake. Shut the fuck up with the bullshit lies.

The Chavez fight did ruin Martinez. Nobody takes exception to that but you. You know why? Boxing knowledge. Most her have it. You don't.

I think Lampley brought it up as well. That the Chavez fight took something out of Martinez. I think there is some truth to that. Martinez dominated the fight. But he did take some punches. And those punches were from a bigger fighter. Martinez is still a good fighter. To say the Chavez fight might of ruined him isn't a mark against him. Because there is some truth to it. That's just my opinion.

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To say the Chavez fight might of ruined him isn't a mark against him. Because there is some truth to it. That's just my opinion.

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No, it's not a mark against Martinez.
But it's giving Chavez more credit than he's due.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

The Chavez fight did ruin Martinez. Nobody takes exception to that but you. You know why? Boxing knowledge. Most her have it. You don't.

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Quit talking for other people, fuckwad. You and very few other deluded people think Chavez somehow "ruined" Martinez. In their case it's probably understandable. It's an opinion, just like everyone has one. The vast majority laughs at your sorry, ignorant ass... although I'm the only one that does it out loud.

In your case, it's a matter of having Chavez's member so far down your throat, it impairs the 3 brain cells in that Neanderthal skull of yours.

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The Chavez fight did ruin Martinez. Nobody takes exception to that but you. You know why? Boxing knowledge. Most her have it. You don't.

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Quit talking for other people, fuckwad. You and very few other deluded people think Chavez somehow "ruined" Martinez. In their case it's probably understandable. It's an opinion, just like everyone has one. The vast majority laughs at your sorry, ignorant ass... although I'm the only one that does it out loud.

In your case, it's a matter of having Chavez's member so far down your throat, it impairs the 3 brain cells in that Neanderthal skull of yours.

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You can repeat everything I say to you right back to me. I don't care. It doesn't change the fact that you know nothing about boxing. You're so desperate for attention you showcase your stupidity and jealousy. I mean come on. We both know all this is about your hatred for Mexican fighters. You can deny it all you want. But it's true. Your hatred is clear as day. You hate that there popular and people wanna see them. Yet at the same time nobody is giving a fuck about any of the garbage Puto Rican fighters. Threads don't lie. Everybody seen you bash Brandon Rios. Bash Chavez Jr. You bash Saul Alvarez and than refuse to give him any credit for his win. You even claimed Laurence Cole was gonna stop the fight in his favor at the first sign of trouble. That's stupidity at it's most stupid right there. You accepted the fact that Mexican fighters are superior than Puerto Rican fighters and you hate it. What was once a semi-competitive rivalry isn't even a rivalry any more. Mexico just keeps pumping out champions left and right. The next wave is already here. With Figurora and Ceja leading the way. The ghetto on PEDS Puto Rico counters by pumping out garbage like Abner Cotto and Thomas Dulorme. I can see why you would be jealous

I understand you hate being a Puto Rican. Who wouldn't? It sucks God handicapped you like that. But all is not lost. There is a way out. Anti-freeze. Go to your local Auto zone and buy a container. Damn. My bad. Steal a container. Take it home and drink it all. Don't be a pussy and just drink half. Drink it all. Trust me. All your problems will just fade away

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We both know all this is about your hatred for Mexican fighters. You can deny it all you want. But it's true.

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I've said more positive things about more Mexican fighters than you've ever said about Puerto Ricans in general. Look it up if you want. I won't be bothered to do that for you.

I understand you're half-Mexican. Nothing like a moronic half-breed to ruin it for a whole country full of people. There's some cool Mexicans on here, so I won't stoop to your level and trash your heritage. Only to say that if you're half-Mexican... I'm guessing the other half is orangutan, judging from the way in which you talk and behave.

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You hate that there popular and people wanna see them.

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First, it's "they're", not "there". Just trying to be helpful. Second, there's millions more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans. Add to that the Tex-Mex and Mexi-Cali crowds and the difference is even greater. Which explains why a spoonfed, cheating bum like Chavez Jr. would be popular. You people don't give a shit what he is.... just WHO he is. Pathetic.

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Everybody seen you bash Brandon Rios. GUILTY. (Who doesn't?)

Bash Chavez Jr. DOUBLE GUILTY.

You bash Saul Alvarez and than refuse to give him any credit for his win. You don't read very well. I credited him... you just don't want to see it.

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The rest I can't be bothered with..... it's the usual mindless trash.
You want to get down to brass tacks... we'll talk civilly.
You want to continue the "insult-fest", fine by me.
Fuck off.

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We both know all this is about your hatred for Mexican fighters. You can deny it all you want. But it's true.

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I've said more positive things about more Mexican fighters than you've ever said about Puerto Ricans in general. Look it up if you want. I won't be bothered to do that for you.

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I stop reading after this. This allows me to ask a simple question. What current Puto Rican fighter do you think deserves to have anything positive said about them? You got one title holder. And he's weak. Your former champions and contenders are washed up and shot. The PR prospect scene is a fucking joke. Call it hating if you want. Trust me when I tell you I'm not alone when I call it facts

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I stop reading after this.

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Yeah, don't hurt you brain with the truth.
Later twerp.

You get cycles with every nationality PR fighters could be top champions very soon. :)

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You get cycles with every nationality PR fighters could be top champions very soon. :)

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There's no denying right now we're in a freaking slump. :(

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I stop reading after this.

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Yeah, don't hurt you brain with the truth.
Later twerp.

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That's exactly how many I came up with. None

Funny how this started with your ridiculous, ignorant post that Chavez Jr had ruined Martinez, and it morphed into the current state of Puerto Rican boxing. Yeah, we're in a slump right now.

But Chavez Jr still didn't ruin Martinez. That is an ignorant statement, and it's giving Junior too much credit. Junior didn't ruin Martinez. Martinez ruined Martinez. By coming back too fast from his hurt knee and hand.

But carry on with your nonsense.

I think Sergio will come back stronger in his next fight.

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Funny how this started with your ridiculous, ignorant post that Chavez Jr had ruined Martinez, and it morphed into the current state of Puerto Rican boxing. Yeah, we're in a slump right now.

But Chavez Jr still didn't ruin Martinez. That is an ignorant statement, and it's giving Junior too much credit. Junior didn't ruin Martinez. Martinez ruined Martinez. By coming back too fast from his hurt knee and hand.

But carry on with your nonsense.

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Martinez ruined Martinez? Did he floor himself? Fucking idiot. And stick to facts. Doctors cleared Martinez to fight in February. Martinez felt he wasn't ready and needed a little more time. So Martinez-Murray was set for late April. So Martinez actually took 2 extra months to recover than was needed. So your little bullshit excuse that he came back to soon is just that. A bullshit excuse.

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Martinez ruined Martinez? Did he floor himself? Fucking idiot. And stick to facts. Doctors cleared Martinez to fight in February. Martinez felt he wasn't ready and needed a little more time. So Martinez-Murray was set for late April. So Martinez actually took 2 extra months to recover than was needed. So your little bullshit excuse that he came back to soon is just that. A bullshit excuse.

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Ok, now look what you wrote on another thread.

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Without a doubt it was his knee. Blind man could see he was having trouble with his movements.

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So let me see if I've got this straight.

He did NOT come back too soon. That's just a "bullshit excuse".
But YET..... his knee was giving him problems with his movements.
Hmmm....... I think I understand now.





You're a fucking moron.

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I think Lampley brought it up as well. That the Chavez fight took something out of Martinez. I think there is some truth to that. Martinez dominated the fight. But he did take some punches. And those punches were from a bigger fighter. Martinez is still a good fighter. To say the Chavez fight might of ruined him isn't a mark against him. Because there is some truth to it. That's just my opinion.

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What did it take out of him exactly? Martinez fk'd up his leg and dominated Chavez for 35 and a half minutes. Ruined him!? This shit is incredible. How does one even reply? You get dropped and it equates to being ruined. Drive through boxing.

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What did it take out of him exactly? Martinez fk'd up his leg and dominated Chavez for 35 and a half minutes. Ruined him!? This shit is incredible. How does one even reply? You get dropped and it equates to being ruined. Drive through boxing.

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Only Chavez nuthuggers and those with a boxing IQ of 0.0001 claim that Junior "ruined" Martinez. There's really no good way to respond, except by ridicule. I saw another "Chavez ruined Martinez" thread on another forum, and it has been met with the same disbelief and laughter as on this forum.

Ironically, the sole perpetrator on THIS thread constantly accuses everyone else of "not knowing shit about boxing."

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Fucking hysterical.

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What did it take out of him exactly? Martinez fk'd up his leg and dominated Chavez for 35 and a half minutes. Ruined him!? This shit is incredible. How does one even reply? You get dropped and it equates to being ruined. Drive through boxing.

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Only Chavez nuthuggers and those with a boxing IQ of 0.0001 claim that Junior "ruined" Martinez. There's really no good way to respond, except by ridicule. I saw another "Chavez ruined Martinez" thread on another forum, and it has been met with the same disbelief and laughter as on this forum.

Ironically, the sole perpetrator on THIS thread constantly accuses everyone else of "not knowing shit about boxing."

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Fucking hysterical.

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The list of all time greats dropped and knocked out would break the character limit. The notion that Chavez ruined Martinez is borderline mentally retarded. Core ignorance. Quite possibly genetic. I don't really care who suggests it.

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Martinez ruined Martinez? Did he floor himself? Fucking idiot. And stick to facts. Doctors cleared Martinez to fight in February. Martinez felt he wasn't ready and needed a little more time. So Martinez-Murray was set for late April. So Martinez actually took 2 extra months to recover than was needed. So your little bullshit excuse that he came back to soon is just that. A bullshit excuse.

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Ok, now look what you wrote on another thread.

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Without a doubt it was his knee. Blind man could see he was having trouble with his movements.

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So let me see if I've got this straight.

He did NOT come back too soon. That's just a "bullshit excuse".
But YET..... his knee was giving him problems with his movements.
Hmmm....... I think I understand now.





You're a fucking moron.

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Of course it's his knee. I been saying it's his knee from the start, stupid muthafukka. :vd: It's got nothing to do with coming back to soon. His knee just ain't the same any more. He hurt it when he was dropped in his previous fight. And who dropped him? Chavez Jr. That's not opinion. That's a fucking fact.

What part of that can you not understand? Knee hurt. Knee not same. 2 + 2 = 4. Seriously calling you stupid just isn't enough. They need a new word for you. Cuz you really are beyond fucking stupid

I'm a bottom line this and dismiss you. Martinez isn't the same figher. He was ruined in the Chavez fight. Lampley brought it up. Max agreed with it. Pretty much anybody with even a little boxing knowledge knows it. And as stupid as you are we both know you know it too. You don't openly agree cuz you're a bitch and like you said just don't wanna give Chavez the credit. That's fine. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion anyway. It's worthless. It's common knowledge you have no knowledge on the sport of boxing. So it's expected for you to look like a fool and say stupid shit. Anything for attention.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Martinez ruined Martinez? Did he floor himself? Fucking idiot. And stick to facts. Doctors cleared Martinez to fight in February. Martinez felt he wasn't ready and needed a little more time. So Martinez-Murray was set for late April. So Martinez actually took 2 extra months to recover than was needed. So your little bullshit excuse that he came back to soon is just that. A bullshit excuse.

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Ok, now look what you wrote on another thread.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Without a doubt it was his knee. Blind man could see he was having trouble with his movements.

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So let me see if I've got this straight.

He did NOT come back too soon. That's just a "bullshit excuse".
But YET..... his knee was giving him problems with his movements.
Hmmm....... I think I understand now.





You're a fucking moron.

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Of course it's his knee. I been saying it's his knee from the start, stupid muthafukka. :vd: It's got nothing to do with coming back to soon. His knee just ain't the same any more. He hurt it when he was dropped in his previous fight. And who dropped him? Chavez Jr. That's not opinion. That's a fucking fact.

What part of that can you not understand? Knee hurt. Knee not same. 2 + 2 = 4. Seriously calling you stupid just isn't enough. They need a new word for you. Cuz you really are beyond fucking stupid

I'm a bottom line this and dismiss you. Martinez isn't the same figher. He was ruined in the Chavez fight. Lampley brought it up. Max agreed with it. Pretty much anybody with even a little boxing knowledge knows it. And as stupid as you are we both know you know it too. You don't openly agree cuz you're a bitch and like you said just don't wanna give Chavez the credit. That's fine. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion anyway. It's worthless. It's common knowledge you have no knowledge on the sport of boxing. So it's expected for you to look like a fool and say stupid shit. Anything for attention.

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Nobody agrees with you, punk. Just your little followers. Here and in other forums, knowledgeable people ridicule morons such as yourself and your little moronic theories. But they don't want to be bothered with keyboard wars. I, on the other hand, enjoy ridiculing you. 'Cause you do most of it yourself. And I'm gonna keep on ridiculing you until you realize how much of a fucking you are.

You're so much of a fucking fool, you refuse to acknowledge the other posters that are calling you an idiot. You just focus on me, 'cause I've gotten under your skin. Good. I like it that way. Your hate is going to fester and simmer until your crack-filled brain explodes. With the size of your brain, that should take out half a cubic inch of space.

That's it...... one letter at a time. Remember..... "i" before "e".

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Martinez ruined Martinez? Did he floor himself? Fucking idiot. And stick to facts. Doctors cleared Martinez to fight in February. Martinez felt he wasn't ready and needed a little more time. So Martinez-Murray was set for late April. So Martinez actually took 2 extra months to recover than was needed. So your little bullshit excuse that he came back to soon is just that. A bullshit excuse.

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Ok, now look what you wrote on another thread.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Without a doubt it was his knee. Blind man could see he was having trouble with his movements.

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So let me see if I've got this straight.

He did NOT come back too soon. That's just a "bullshit excuse".
But YET..... his knee was giving him problems with his movements.
Hmmm....... I think I understand now.





You're a fucking moron.

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Of course it's his knee. I been saying it's his knee from the start, stupid muthafukka. :vd: It's got nothing to do with coming back to soon. His knee just ain't the same any more. He hurt it when he was dropped in his previous fight. And who dropped him? Chavez Jr. That's not opinion. That's a fucking fact.

What part of that can you not understand? Knee hurt. Knee not same. 2 + 2 = 4. Seriously calling you stupid just isn't enough. They need a new word for you. Cuz you really are beyond fucking stupid

I'm a bottom line this and dismiss you. Martinez isn't the same figher. He was ruined in the Chavez fight. Lampley brought it up. Max agreed with it. Pretty much anybody with even a little boxing knowledge knows it. And as stupid as you are we both know you know it too. You don't openly agree cuz you're a bitch and like you said just don't wanna give Chavez the credit. That's fine. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion anyway. It's worthless. It's common knowledge you have no knowledge on the sport of boxing. So it's expected for you to look like a fool and say stupid shit. Anything for attention.

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Nobody agrees with you, punk. Just your little followers. Here and in other forums, knowledgeable people ridicule morons such as yourself and your little moronic theories. But they don't want to be bothered with keyboard wars. I, on the other hand, enjoy ridiculing you. 'Cause you do most of it yourself. And I'm gonna keep on ridiculing you until you realize how much of a fucking you are.

You're so much of a fucking fool, you refuse to acknowledge the other posters that are calling you an idiot. You just focus on me, 'cause I've gotten under your skin. Good. I like it that way. Your hate is going to fester and simmer until your crack-filled brain explodes. With the size of your brain, that should take out half a cubic inch of space.

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That must be why I got you repeating everything I say to you right back. And why I got you starting threads in a desperate attempt at attention.

Dance you fucking puppet dance. You are so fucking predictable it's pathetic. It's like I told shane22 or whatever the fuck his name is. Watch me make this bitch start a thread on this. And sure fucking enough you did. Dance puto. I pull your fucking strings