Munguia still looking good. Maybe he can take it to the later rounds.
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Munguia still looking good. Maybe he can take it to the later rounds.
gave canelo the sixth
seventh to canelo
eighth to canelo
gave jaime the nineth
Stamina check time for Canelo late on it's been a trend.
gave canelo the tenth
gave the eleventh to jaime
gave canelo the twelfth. i have him winning by three points
Respect Jamie Munguia. Held himself well despite the KD.
Crikey its day light outside moff to beds nn and gg
one judge has in by seven points, one has it by five points & the third has it three points & still
canelo said if the money is right he'd fight david b right now. talk is cheap, let's see it. i've said before that david b was a bad decision
i'd rather canelo fulfil the ibf mandatory against william scull next than the wba mandatory edgar berlanga
Wow just read this thread. Had no idea he even fought this weekend.
Sign of the times
Munguia surprised me with how well he did
I think he'll improve from this contest & come back better
Canelo has adjusted his style perfectly for this stage of his career
With Benavidez & Morrell leaving the division I think Mbilli is the next big challenge I'd want to see Canelo fight :cool:
Maybe I am getting sentimental in my old age, but I am starting to appreciate Canelo a bit more. He started his career at 15 years old and held a version of the light middle world title at 20 years of age. He is now near the end of his career and is undisputed super middleweight champion.
Sure, he was expected to beat Munguia but he was facing an younger, hungrier, taller and undefeated boxer who wanted to win the title. I had Jaime winning the first 3 rounds and thought he was going to cause the upset but the uppercut by Canelo to knock down the challenger in the 4th was impressive.
Canelo took over from that point and was landing the more accurate and harder punches. Munguia was giving his all in that title challenge and did let his hands go. Canelo fought right in front of him and has a very strong chin.
It was a good contest and maybe we should appreciate a once great champion coming to the end of his career taking on good stern challenges?
BTW The ref was in love with himself and tried to make it about him. He should stay out of the contest.
here's a thread you can browse if you're interested to keep up with some of what's relevant in the world of boxing todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...ad.php?t=92221
the ibf has order canelo to face mandatory challenger william scull. deadline for negotiations is june eighth
ibf mandatory william scull has requested an immediate purse bid. it is scheduled for june sixth
A squash match that is going to tank like a brick in a pond. Not sure how a guy who wins a gimmick trinket like the ibf latino title...and its entire 6 champs over the last 30 years...slips into mandatory but if Canelo has any self-respect he'd drop the strap and move on. If. Otherwise, we'll see even more "well ok, as long as he fights Crawford next". A fight Canelo himself has already dismissed. Guess I'm making up for Titos absence ;D, but the sport will be better when Canelo finally retires.
canelo will probably vacate the ibf belt. you can't blame team william scull for trying to enforce the mandatory, he's been mandatory longer than david b or david m. william scull v vladimir shishkin will probably fight for the vacant beltQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think it's a good thing. I've always been a fan of sweeping the belts into one dustpan/under one champion but honestly what I've found lately with a Charlo or Crawford or Canelo is it can honestly be a bit meaningless. The "king of the mountain" and ruler of division tends to cease at that point. They either move up, the best fights with top challengers don't happen for whatever reason or they just sit on the pile of belts like a stuffed goose guarding her eggs. And it's not just now, the belts always seem to fracture when the bodies start peacocking and getting tribal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICcanelo will probably vacate the ibf belt. you can't blame team william scull for trying to enforce the mandatory, he's been mandatory longer than david b or david m. william scull v vladimir shishkin will probably fight for the vacant beltQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Guess it all comes down to there are too many trinkets to begin with. That's really what it is and nothing new.
I've said before that I enjoy when the belts become vacant
The top contenders fight to fill vacancies
The next fighters in line fight in eliminators
The division gets hot again & starts moving :cool:
I don't mind an undisputed champion defending like Inoue is currently
But I can also understand fighters like Usyk or Crawford moving on
Canelo needs to go to 175 if he wants a challenge :-X
the purse bid has been postponed for a week until the thirteenth of juneQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
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Originally Posted by Big J
No way Canelo goes to 175 while Bivol and Beterbiev are still breathing. :D
What he needs is a NEW division, say 171.5, because a certain someone is waiting back at 168. :D
Looks like the age excuse might be the only thing that saves Canelo from certain loss by KTFO, which would put a serious dent in his future Hollywood career.
canelo already went to light heavy while artur & dmitry were still breathing did he not? who's waiting back super middleweight?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Big J
No way Canelo goes to 175 while Bivol and Beterbiev are still breathing. :D
What he needs is a NEW division, say 171.5, because a certain someone is waiting back at 168. :D
Looks like the age excuse might be the only thing that saves Canelo from certain loss by KTFO, which would put a serious dent in his future Hollywood career.
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Originally Posted by TICcanelo already went to light heavy while artur & dmitry were still breathing did he not? who's waiting back super middleweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Big J
No way Canelo goes to 175 while Bivol and Beterbiev are still breathing. :D
What he needs is a NEW division, say 171.5, because a certain someone is waiting back at 168. :D
Looks like the age excuse might be the only thing that saves Canelo from certain loss by KTFO, which would put a serious dent in his future Hollywood career.
Ergo... he's not going back there again. See how easy this works? ;D
Well... David B was waiting, until he got tired and has apparently decided to move on, much to the colossal relief of the Ginger-Haired One.
so canelo did already go to light heavy while artur & dmitry were breathing yeh? so who is waiting at super middle again? canelo could probably reign at super middle for another five years
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Originally Posted by TIC
Yeh.
Canelo went up there... got his ass kicked by Bivol to where not even the biased judges could give Canelo the decision... and hasn't gone back since.
He did, however, at one point ask weak ass cruiser champ Ilunga Makabu to fight for a cruiser trinket.
At another point he also asked Badou Jack for another cruiser trinket, but this time wanting to dehydrate Jack to 180 (PLUS... a rehydration limit clause).
Jack became an instant hero of mine when he told Ginger to go to hell.
And yeh.
Canelo can stay safely at 168, now that Benavidez got fed up waiting for him and moved on.
Let's remember... Benavidez is Mexican, and Ginger had said in the past he wouldn't fight another Mexican. :D
This bitch should do us all a favor and retire already.
yes canelo did go up to light heavy while artur & dmitry were still breathing, so your statement was wrong. david b could have tried to force the wbc to make him mandatory. he chose to move up. david b is not mexican. canelo just fought a mexican in jaime munguia. if you're taking what a boxer says as gospel then you're asking to be fooledQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Yeh.
Canelo went up there...
And yeh.
Canelo can stay safely at 168, now that Benavidez got fed up waiting for him and moved on.
Let's remember... Benavidez is Mexican, and Ginger had said in the past he wouldn't fight another Mexican. :D
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Originally Posted by TICyes canelo did go up to light heavy while artur & dmitry were still breathing, so your statement was wrong. david b could have tried to force the wbc to make him mandatory. he chose to move up. david b is not mexican. canelo just fought a mexican in jaime munguia. if you're taking what a boxer says as gospel then you're asking to be fooledQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Yeh.
Canelo went up there...
And yeh.
Canelo can stay safely at 168, now that Benavidez got fed up waiting for him and moved on.
Let's remember... Benavidez is Mexican, and Ginger had said in the past he wouldn't fight another Mexican. :D
On the first statement:
hyper·bole
[hʌɪˈpəːbəli]
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally
Us adults use hyperbole every so often to make our points.
Oh... so David B didn't do enough to force a fight against Canelo?
Damn bro... you should have your own stint as a stand-up comic on HBO. You are just plain hilarious. ;D
You're a Canelo groupie... I'm a Canelo hater. You know that... I know that. So basically these exchanges are pointless.
(They're a bit of fun, though). :D
if your statements are hyper·bole & not meant to be taken literally then how can they be used to make a point? david b did enough in my opinion to earn a fight with canelo, you could also argue from david m or william sculls teams that they also did everything to earn their shots as well. both were mandatories before david b. the blame needs to be on the wbc for not making david b mandatory but he would still be behind david m & william scull in the mandatory process. canelo could have chose to fight david b, i agree with you there. maybe he just didn't want to give david b the payday
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Originally Posted by TIC
Yep, believe me... I blame the WBC a lot. I believe the WBC has coddled and protected Canelo from early in his career. So I can't pin all the blame on him. He's only too happy to be the recipient, though.
Canelo would've earned some (grudging) respect from me had he just woken up one day and said: "F*ck it. I'm gonna fight this Benavidez character and get all these haters, especially TitoFan, off my back."
you don't even give canelo respect for fighting floyd or the second best light heavy at the time dmitry. you like to say he was embarrassed or got his ass kicked. no credit from you for taking on those challenges. you even find it hard to give canelo credit for running through three undefeated champions in eleven months to unify super middle. i doubt you'll give canelo respect if the david b fight happens, especially if canelo wins, we'll hear that david b was weight drained or any assortment of excuses
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Why should I give Canelo respect for being gifted a fight against Floyd, probably ahead of more deserving fighters? (The teacher's pet always gets the preferential treatment). He didn't deserve to be there, and Floyd made sure to point that out in the ring.
Dmitry? Fine. That was just a gross miscalculation on Team Canelo's part. Believe me. Had they thought Bivol was going to be such a live dog, they would've found a way to drain him or come up with some other bullshit diva clause.
Canelo finally found his sweet spot at super middle. Of course, it helps that guys like Callum Smith laid down for him.
How am I supposed to respect a bitch that asked a cruiserweight to drain himself down 20 pounds below the limit (with rehydration clauses) in order to fight for some bullshit, meaningless cruiserweight trinket?
I've never gotten an answer from you on that, and I don't expect one now.
Canelo has NEVER (except for his miscalculations against Floyd and Bivol) gone into a fight where the deck isn't stacked FIRMLY in his favor.
I can't wait till the redheaded bitch retires.
Well I don't like canelo for several reasons including the way he has been coddled and overhyped, I thought he fought very well against Floyd even though he was definitely outmatched. He definitely was humiliated against bivol. Even more so. But he has shown some improvement over the years which is a sign of a good fighter as opposed to a guy like Wilder who fought last week the same way he fought 10 years ago. So although I don't care for his persona or the way he has been promoted or marketed. I think he's a damn good fighter. But I don't see him beating Marvin hagler Carmine basilio sugar Ray Robinson Bernard Hopkins Roberto Duran or even a prime triple G. But still I consider him a damn good fighter
wasn't canelo ranked number one at jr middleweight & a unified champ when he fought floyd? what guys do you think were more deserving at jr middleweight than canelo at that time? it was also a very successful ppv, much better than floyd's previous ppv at jr middleweight, so the public seemed to be interestedQuote:
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Originally Posted by TIC
Why should I give Canelo respect for being gifted a fight against Floyd, probably ahead of more deserving fighters? (The teacher's pet always gets the preferential treatment). He didn't deserve to be there, and Floyd made sure to point that out in the ring.
Dmitry? Fine. That was just a gross miscalculation on Team Canelo's part. Believe me. Had they thought Bivol was going to be such a live dog, they would've found a way to drain him or come up with some other bullshit diva clause.
Canelo finally found his sweet spot at super middle. Of course, it helps that guys like Callum Smith laid down for him.
How am I supposed to respect a bitch that asked a cruiserweight to drain himself down 20 pounds below the limit (with rehydration clauses) in order to fight for some bullshit, meaningless cruiserweight trinket?
I've never gotten an answer from you on that, and I don't expect one now.
Canelo has NEVER (except for his miscalculations against Floyd and Bivol) gone into a fight where the deck isn't stacked FIRMLY in his favor.
I can't wait till the redheaded bitch retires.
so they didn't find a way to drain dmitry or come up with some other bullshit diva clauses? you almost did it
so guys like callum smith just laid down for canelo? why weren't they lying down for each other before canelo got there?
"How am I supposed to respect a bitch that asked a cruiserweight to drain himself down 20 pounds below the limit (with rehydration clauses) in order to fight for some bullshit, meaningless cruiserweight trinket?
I've never gotten an answer from you on that, and I don't expect one now"
i'm pretty sure i've answered this before but if i haven't i'll do it right here for you. i can't tell you how to respect someone, that is something that is subjective to each person but let's put a little context to what you're saying. firstly as i understand it, that was only a proposal not an actual contract or offer & we only have badou's word to go by. did badou counter with his own proposal or offer? secondly canelo started out as a jr welterweight, badou started as a light heavy. let's say badou weighed 200 for his fight prior to that proposal & we'll say canelo was 168 for convenience, that's roughly a 32 pound difference. so canelo was asking badou to drop twenty pounds & he would come up twelve pounds. again it was just a proposal, badou was not being forced into it & if we say it is all true then he was able to turn it down or counter. i don't know if there was a counter but we know badou turned down that proposal. i guess you have to ask yourself do you respect miguel cotto or manny pacquiao for requesting catchweights from guys who were well less than 32 pounds above them in their previous fights? miguel had a 153 catchweight for the antonio margarito rematch although he weighed 154 in his previous fight & there was a jr middleweight belt on the line, he also had a 157 catchweight for daniel geale who only weighed five pounds more than miguel in their previous fights & there was a middleweight belt on the line. we can do manny but i think you get my point. besides canelo v badou never happened, miguel & manny's catchweight fights did
you say never then list exceptions
i hope canelo gives us another top fight or two before he retires
Let's take your many questions individually.
You're a knowledgeable boxing fan. So it's safe to presume that you know that rankings don't always reflect merit or the deserving of a shot. Especially where joke orgs like the WBC (We Blow Canelo) are involved.Quote:
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I'll answer your question with another question. Are you suggesting that Callum fought Canelo like he's fought other opponents before or since then?Quote:
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So the fact that it wasn't an actual contract makes it less shameful? The fact that it was only a proposal gets Ginger off the hook? Word of advice: If you ever consider lawyering, don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
BTW, Badou's word is good enough for me. It was widely reported by credible news sources. Or are we to only believe those that are convenient for our arguments? Can't pick and choose.
Did Badou counter with his own proposal or offer? Yeah. Hopefully he told Canelo to shove it up his ass. Sounds like a good counter to me.
These get worse as they go along. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
I can almost hear the fumbling around, grasping for straws. First you mumble something about weight differences, as if to minimize the embarrassment Ginger subjected himself to by making this ridiculous offer to Badou. Then you go with "well, Badou was not being forced into it." Damn... that's weak.
Like I said, keep you day job. Don't go into lawyering.
Your desperation comes full circle, as you bring up Cotto and Pacquiao. Once again, I'll preface by saying you're a knowledgeable boxing fan. So presumably you know the difference between catchweights of a few pounds, (which many boxers have done), versus a guy who habitually leaps up a division or two to pick off a weak or depleted "champion", with the only purpose of adding a meaningless trinket to his mantle.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Cotto never did that. Pacquiao never did that. I don't know of ANY fighter that has shamelessly sought out opponents way beyond their division, to try and grab a meaningless trinket. (And then go scurrying back to the safety of his own weight).
You can grasp at straws. You can look for obscure exceptions. You can twist words. You can reach for examples that aren't really relevant.
NOTHING... and I mean NOTHING... will change the fact that Ginger will always be looked at... not just by me... but by MANY boxing fans and experts... as a manufactured champion who always stacked the deck in his favor, had a major boxing org by the balls, got the nod on more than one questionable decision, reached for easy prey (avoiding real challenges), and just plain f*cked up boxing for a great many of us.
You don't see ANY other champion in any other division getting the hate that Canelo does. There must be a reason for that.