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I read that also. Freddie Roach has been trying to get hold of Manny Pacquiao but he ain't answering his phone, pathetic. Really disapointed with the way Manny has acted.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Hatton gave in on the demands and conceded a few % to Pac... While Manny wont even pick up the phone to anyone even Freddie Roach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Pac knows hatton aint a dried up shriveled Delahoya and got a case of the limber tail
I think for whatever reason fear i doubt being one of them manny isn't as confident he can beat hatton as other people around him are. I mean c'mon these closer percentages were more than fair and both guys have earned thier money but damn manny.....on the other hand now hatton knows what witter was going through on a much smaller smaller scale. If nothing manny backing out is sort of a semi victory for ricky in a way all fear the new boxing dancing mayweather approved hatton i guess he can use that for awhile.
Comparing Pac to Witter. :(
I ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAccording to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin itQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
I gotta admit, I dont agree whatsoever with you on that. You say Oscar is the reason Pac should have the higher percentage ?. But isn't the fight for Ricky's title ? Isn't it at Ricky's weight class ? A weightclass that he's dominated for 5 years. Also Hatton brings the bigger following. Just cuz Pac beat Oscar means not a lot IMO when it comes to who should get the higher purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAccording to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin itQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
And Ricky turned down the ODLH fight as he already had a verbal agreement with Paulie Malignaggi and stayed true to his promise to fight him. Unlike some.
Oh I don't doubt the biitch in Pac is starting to come out. If he really wanted to fight him than just make the fight and get it over with. But he doesn't want to. He's acting like a teen age biitch. But he's still holding the trump card. And the bulk of the blame falls on HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHatton gave in on the demands and conceded a few % to Pac... While Manny wont even pick up the phone to anyone even Freddie Roach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Pac knows hatton aint a dried up shriveled Delahoya and got a case of the limber tail
Your right on that. But Pac is the hotter fighter. He's p4p number 1. He's taking the bigger risk by going to Hatton's weight class. And he has just as many groupies as Hatton does. More in the US than Hatton does. On top of that he did what Hatton didn't think he could do. And that's beat Boxings most popular fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI gotta admit, I dont agree whatsoever with you on that. You say Oscar is the reason Pac should have the higher percentage ?. But isn't the fight for Ricky's title ? Isn't it at Ricky's weight class ? A weightclass that he's dominated for 5 years. Also Hatton brings the bigger following. Just cuz Pac beat Oscar means not a lot IMO when it comes to who should get the higher purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
And Ricky turned down the ODLH fight as he already had a verbal agreement with Paulie Malignaggi and stayed true to his promise to fight him. Unlike some.
If Hatton should so readily take 40% how come Pac's promoter (Arum) and trainer (Roach) think he's gone CRAZY for fucking this fight up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinAccording to the article linked earlier, Hatton had gone down to a 53-47 split for Manny, & Manny still wasnt havin itQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
They think 50% is great. Which in reality means they think 50% is INCREDIBLY fucking great! Pac ain't getting a career high payday against anyone else.
Hatton brings the money. Pac has shot himself in the foot through pure GREED.
You seriously got to ask? I expected better. Anyway, it's obvious both Arum and Roach are better off with the fight happening instead of it not happening. They both have ties to Pac. So it's either for them to try and convince Pac than it is Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Hatton should so readily take 40% how come Pac's promoter (Arum) and trainer (Roach) think he's gone CRAZY for fucking this fight up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI ain't no fan of Pac. I recognize his greatness. But I'm far from a fan. I ain't no fan of Hatton either. I recognize his....his. He's got titles. I acknowledge that. But not a fan. Both these fighters have huge groupie fan clubs that rush to there defense at any posts not calling them master. All that blind lust leads to finger pointing. Neither side is capable of seeing the truth. When your on the outside looking in the truth is plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Hatton should take his 40% and shut the fukk up. Cuz really that 40% is still to high. This fight should really be 70-30 for Pac. For one reason. And one reason only. He beat Oscar. Yes Oscar was shot. Beyound shot. But Pac still fought him and beat him. Hatton didn't. Hatton was offered the Oscar fight. But like a biitch he said no. He turned from white to yellow. If he would of took the fight and won he would be in the driver seat calling the shots. He could dictate his terms to anybody. Including Mayweather. But no. The thought of him flying into the ring post in back to back fights was haunting his dreams. So he turned the fight down. Like a biitch. Now shut the fukk up and take your 40% and be graceful your even getting that.
They think 50% is great. Which in reality means they think 50% is INCREDIBLY fucking great! Pac ain't getting a career high payday against anyone else.
Hatton brings the money. Pac has shot himself in the foot through pure GREED.
And I think it's more fear than greed.
As far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYour right on that. But Pac is the hotter fighter. He's p4p number 1. He's taking the bigger risk by going to Hatton's weight class. And he has just as many groupies as Hatton does. More in the US than Hatton does. On top of that he did what Hatton didn't think he could do. And that's beat Boxings most popular fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI gotta admit, I dont agree whatsoever with you on that. You say Oscar is the reason Pac should have the higher percentage ?. But isn't the fight for Ricky's title ? Isn't it at Ricky's weight class ? A weightclass that he's dominated for 5 years. Also Hatton brings the bigger following. Just cuz Pac beat Oscar means not a lot IMO when it comes to who should get the higher purse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
And Ricky turned down the ODLH fight as he already had a verbal agreement with Paulie Malignaggi and stayed true to his promise to fight him. Unlike some.
(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)
I'm really disappointed were going to miss seeing Ricky and Pac put on a tear up.
[quote=killersheep;670451]I'm guessing JMM for Hatton and that really doesn't leave any "super fights" for PAC.[/quoteQuote:
Originally Posted by MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by britsday
So - who should they both fight if they won't fight each other?
you think so? i think they already talk the gayweather team and that's a big fight man! manny don't need hatton the drinker, but hatton need pacman to gain pride from losing gayweather. hehehehe
No way PAC/PBF makes more money than PAC/Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by britsdayyou think so? i think they already talk the gayweather team and that's a big fight man! manny don't need hatton the drinker, but hatton need pacman to gain pride from losing gayweather. heheheheQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI'm guessing JMM for Hatton and that really doesn't leave any "super fights" for PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAs far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYour right on that. But Pac is the hotter fighter. He's p4p number 1. He's taking the bigger risk by going to Hatton's weight class. And he has just as many groupies as Hatton does. More in the US than Hatton does. On top of that he did what Hatton didn't think he could do. And that's beat Boxings most popular fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)
Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.
Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAs far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
(Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)
Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.
Pac is scared and everyone knows it