Another kahn critic

as I've explained before. It's how you have consistently weighted your argument, here and elsewhere to play down the fact that Barrera was severely handicapped by the cut from the first round onwards, he also hurt Khan. What I have read is how great Khan looked or how dominant he was.

If you or anyone else believes that he looked great pay equal attention the circumstances that made it so.
If he were so great and Barrera such a sloth he shouldn't have been able to touch him, fact is he did despite the serious disadvantage he was under.

Why should he get credit for not very much at all? Certainly not the way it's been ladled on him by the press.

If you make references to my favourite boxer having parkinsons disease then I reserve the right to neg rep you or anyone else and I don't have to justify it. Stop trying to play the wide-eyed innocent here.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

as I've explained before. It's how you have consistently weighted your argument, here and elsewhere to play down the fact that Barrera was severely handicapped by the cut from the first round onwards, he also hurt Khan. What I have read is how great Khan looked or how dominant he was.

If you or anyone else believes that he looked great pay equal attention the circumstances that made it so.
If he were so great and Barrera such a sloth he shouldn't have been able to touch him, fact is he did despite the serious disadvantage he was under.

Why should he get credit for not very much at all? Certainly not the way it's been ladled on him by the press.

If you make references to my favourite boxer having parkinsons disease then I reserve the right to neg rep you or anyone else and I don't have to justify it. Stop trying to play the wide-eyed innocent here.

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He did look great, and I DO think the cut was unfortunate. If you don't want me to play down the cut then don't play down Amir's performance.

When I have been disrespectful about Barrera? When have you been respectful towards Amir Khan?

As for making reference to Ali having Parkinsons, Violent D said Barrera was so shot a win over him was the same as Berbick's over Ali's, when he WAS already showing effects of Parkinsons.

So I challenged the view that Barrera is as shot now as a Parkinons's affected Ali.

How is that offensive to Ali in any way shape or form?

yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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So now you admit your disrespectful towards a boxer because you don't like him yet I'm the boring, repetitive troll poster because I like him?

For the record I've not dissed any fighter and havn't made any negative comments about Barrera (or Ali for that matter) I've just said everyone should get off Khan's case.

As for not presenting a different point of view, my view is and always has been that the cut was not Amir's fault, he put on a great display and doesn't deserve to be slated and disrespected because his opponent was cut accidently.

Where was the outrage against Peter Manfredo when Sergio Mora suffered a horrible cut in their rematch? Or the hate posts about Morales when Manny got cut in the first of their trilogy?

People are moaning simply becuase they dislike Amir Khan and are angry that he won, and especially so because Barrera was cut.

But none of that is Khan's fault.


Can you not admit that your annoyance towards me is mostly because of your dislike of Amir Khan. If I'd have made the exact same posts defending a fighter you actually liked you'd just be agreeing with me.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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So now you admit your disrespectful towards a boxer because you don't like him yet I'm the boring, repetitive troll poster because I like him?

For the record I've not dissed any fighter and havn't made any negative comments about Barrera (or Ali for that matter) I've just said everyone should get off Khan's case.

As for not presenting a different point of view, my view is and always has been that the cut was not Amir's fault, he put on a great display and doesn't deserve to be slated and disrespected because his opponent was cut accidently.

Where was the outrage against Peter Manfredo when Sergio Mora suffered a horrible cut in their rematch? Or the hate posts about Morales when Manny got cut in the first of their trilogy?

People are moaning simply becuase they dislike Amir Khan and are angry that he won, and especially so because Barrera was cut.

But none of that is Khan's fault.


Can you not admit that your annoyance towards me is mostly because of your dislike of Amir Khan. If I'd have made the exact same posts defending a fighter you actually liked you'd just be agreeing with me.

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I've not hated on Morales, think he's a bit dim but I quite like him :cool:...if it weren't for Barrera he could have been 'my' adopted fighter but it wasn't meant to be...Pac fans yes but not Morales. How is it related? His cut was not worse than Barreras, admit that.

Lots of people/boxers & things I don't like, lots of boxers I have no great feelings for or against - who said I have to?

My annoyance is as stated above.

Bad ref, bad decision not a win in mine and many peoples eyes regardless of who the opposition is.
Khan is not some superkid. Not chin and no power at world level. That is a fact.

Like I said this is going in circles. Waste of time. If anyone else wants to play 'let's keep posting till one us dies' with you they can.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

yawn, sigh, circles. I will answer your post but unless I read anything that presents a new point of view I feel I'm waisting my time.

I'm pretty much always disrespectful towards Amir Khan because I'm too used to seeing hype and people making excuses for youthful gobshite.


There is nothing more to say than this.

It is easy to look good against someone who is fighting blind.............

& I don't think he looked that good against a blind man.

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So now you admit your disrespectful towards a boxer because you don't like him yet I'm the boring, repetitive troll poster because I like him?

For the record I've not dissed any fighter and havn't made any negative comments about Barrera (or Ali for that matter) I've just said everyone should get off Khan's case.

As for not presenting a different point of view, my view is and always has been that the cut was not Amir's fault, he put on a great display and doesn't deserve to be slated and disrespected because his opponent was cut accidently.

Where was the outrage against Peter Manfredo when Sergio Mora suffered a horrible cut in their rematch? Or the hate posts about Morales when Manny got cut in the first of their trilogy?

People are moaning simply becuase they dislike Amir Khan and are angry that he won, and especially so because Barrera was cut.

But none of that is Khan's fault.


Can you not admit that your annoyance towards me is mostly because of your dislike of Amir Khan. If I'd have made the exact same posts defending a fighter you actually liked you'd just be agreeing with me.

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I've not hated on Morales, think he's a bit dim but I quite like him :cool:...if it weren't for Barrera he could have been 'my' adopted fighter but it wasn't meant to be...Pac fans yes but not Morales. How is it related? His cut was not worse than Barreras, admit that.

Lots of people/boxers & things I don't like, lots of boxers I have no great feelings for or against - who said I have to?

My annoyance is as stated above.

Bad ref, bad decision not a win in mine and many peoples eyes regardless of who the opposition is.
Khan is not some superkid. Not chin and no power at world level. That is a fact.

Like I said this is going in circles. Waste of time. If anyone else wants to play 'let's keep posting till one us dies' with you they can.

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Nobody certainly not me. I havn't neg repped you and I havn't called you a troll.

So who says I have to dislike him?

Anyway I will agree completely with you that the cut was very unfortunate, that it severely hampered Barrera and that he didn't get a chance to get into the fight, but you too should admit that none of that was Khan's fault, that he boxed excellently for the 5 rounds of the fight, that working with Freddie is definitely resulting in improvements and that he personally cannot be held responsible for either the cut caused, or for Barrera's, his team, the doctor/referee etc decisions to allow the fight to go on.

When you consider he got blown away in less than a minute just two fights ago to an unknown whilst two fights ago Barrera was going toe to toe with the p4p number 1 and 2 fighters in the world then you have to admire Khan's courage and desire to prove himself for standing up and saying he wanted that fight.

People slate him for his soft opposition and then when he fights a world class fighter they say he didn't 'deserve' the match in the first place.

He's alright is all I'm saying. ;)

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. :) My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

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This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. :) My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

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You talk too much sense. ;)

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Originally Posted by feeney

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. :) My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

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Thats the point that he is having trouble understanding .

Khan did what he needed to do,but to undermine the point that Barrera was half blind for the fight,is just stupid

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This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. :) My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

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Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

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Originally Posted by feeney

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. :) My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

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Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

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Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

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This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. :) My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

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Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

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Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

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Monkey I am in complete and 100% TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I've never claimed otherwise.

But HOW IS THIS AMIR'S FAULT?

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Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

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Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

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Monkey I am in complete and 100% TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I've never claimed otherwise.

But HOW IS THIS AMIR'S FAULT?

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I never said Khan didnt do what he needed to do,but we cant make this Cesaer conquering either. Its an unsatisfying fight,because without the headbut we dont know who would have won the fight.
Truthfully I thought Khan would have torched him,but the fact that Barrera held up with one eye,makes the whole thing shaky. It definitly should have been stopped earlier and gone no contest.
Whats really interesting is if Khan's people go for the re-match

This thread is funny.

I said before the fight it wouldn't even be close. It wasn't. It made it very difficult for Barrera with the blood dripping into the eye. I still fail to see how he was going to get into the fight though. He couldn't keep up with Khan's speed and was having a lot of trouble setting himself. At 35 and relatively inactive i fail to see how he was going to trouble Khan in the later rounds....as some have suggested.

Shame the cut happened and all as it gives the Barrera fans something to hold onto when trying to convince themselves he still has something to offer.

He just aint the same fighter. You'd think the fight in a chinese gymnasium would prove he hasn't got it at world level anymore. How many world class fighters fight in gymnasiums? I can't think of any. How many world class fighters have recently fought a guy with only 1 win on his slate? I can't think of any.

I'm not satisfied with the outcome. I wanted Khan to school his ass just to shut a few people up. People on here just dont want to give him any credit and it's been like that since day one.

There is no 22 year old prospect with a better resume imo - if there is, point him out to me. Yes he's chinny, but he's also fast as hell and normally involved in some very exciting fights.

Calling Bilbo a troll because his opinion is opposite of yours is shameful. He's not a troll, he's a Hobit ;D