Another kahn critic

[feeney]

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

[Gandalf]

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

You talk too much sense.

[GAME]

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

Thats the point that he is having trouble understanding .

[Tilt A Whirl]

Khan did what he needed to do,but to undermine the point that Barrera was half blind for the fight,is just stupid

[Kev]

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

[Tilt A Whirl]

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

[Kev]

This is my las post iv created a monster thread and i must kill it. My points have already came up but bilbo how can you say kahn performed excellently on one hand and the other say barrera was blind by the cut? hypocritical dont you think? Of course a young fast superstar can perform excellently against a blind man. Ok its not kahns fault it went down that way but he should not be happy with that fight, Neither should anyone else, He beat a blind man. Any credit he tries to take from this fight is rubbish. And i think if you really sit and think about it you can SEE (like what i did there) that there is only really one conclusion to kahn coming of age. Not yet.

Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

Monkey I am in complete and 100% TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I've never claimed otherwise.

But HOW IS THIS AMIR'S FAULT?

[Tilt A Whirl]

Just because he was cut doesn't mean Khan can automatically pitch a 5 round shutout of him.

Vitali did ok with that cut against Lennox, Sergio Mora coped against Manfredo, Manny was still competitive against Morales, Fernando Vargas fought a war with Mosely with only one eye, Danny Williams had only one arm but still beat Mark Potter.

You're argument makes no sense, yes Barrera was cut, yes it was a bad cut but fighters do get cut and they still manage to make a fight of it.

Ray Robinson got cut badly against Randy Turpin and managed to knock him out, Paul Williams was cut against Verno Phillips and still won.

Just because Barrera was cut doesn't automatically mean a talented, overhyped, mediocre fighter like Khan is alleged to be can dominate him at will.

There are HUNDREDS of examples in boxing where a fighter is cut, vision impaired or otherwise horrible injured in some way and gone on not only to be competitive but to WIN.

Are you trying to tell me that Marco suffered some kind of unique cut, the worst cut in the history of boxing and so it was just impossible for him to fight back?

So I stand by what I have said. Yes it was an unfortunate cut, yes it hampered Barrera no doubt and YES Khan still boxed brilliantly and controlled the action from round 1.

Knowing time was short Barrera presumably wanted to try and mix things and get to Khan but his speed and utilisation of his height and reach advantage stopped that.

Listen to what Barrera's own promoter had to say about it

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Promoter King salutes 'fantastic' Khan


You can be upset about the cut and I agree with you, but all the abuse directed at Khan for just doing his job and doing his job extremely well is uncalled for.

I'm not the one acting unreasonably here, I'm just saying that Khan deserves credit. He won the fight, it was scored on a round by round basis and Khan won every round. The cut was unfortunate but these things happen in boxing and many times the guy with the cut has still managed to win.

Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

Monkey I am in complete and 100% TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I've never claimed otherwise.

But HOW IS THIS AMIR'S FAULT?

I never said Khan didnt do what he needed to do,but we cant make this Cesaer conquering either. Its an unsatisfying fight,because without the headbut we dont know who would have won the fight.
Truthfully I thought Khan would have torched him,but the fact that Barrera held up with one eye,makes the whole thing shaky. It definitly should have been stopped earlier and gone no contest.
Whats really interesting is if Khan's people go for the re-match

[Kev]

Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

Monkey I am in complete and 100% TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I've never claimed otherwise.

But HOW IS THIS AMIR'S FAULT?

I never said Khan didnt do what he needed to do,but we cant make this Cesaer conquering either. Its an unsatisfying fight,because without the headbut we dont know who would have won the fight.
Truthfully I thought Khan would have torched him,but the fact that Barrera held up with one eye,makes the whole thing shaky. It definitly should have been stopped earlier and gone no contest.
Whats really interesting is if Khan's people go for the re-match

Monkey I agree with you mate completely. I have no problem with people saying the fight ended in an unsatisfying way and that Barrera was handicapped from the start, it's just all the Khan hating and bashing that goes with it that annoys me.

He hasn't done anything wrong and even though Barrera was cut it's still not an automatic win Khan still had to box those 5 rounds and he won them in style, whether Barrera was hampered or not.

It's the hating and total downplaying of Khan that I can't stand.

I mean look at Feeney's first post that started this thread.

First off he says that Khan beat merely a 'tiny' man. Well this man is the same size and from the same weight class as the two fighters who currently DOMINATE the lightweight divison so why is Barrera's size a factor here?

Secondly Feeney says a '35 year old' man as if that means any hald decent fighter should be able to whup him on account of his age. Well Barrera is actually YOUNGER than Juan Manuel Marquez. He's YOUNGER than De La Hoya, he's YOUNGER than Shane Mosely and he's MUCH YOUNGER than Bernard Hopkins. He's actually YOUNGER than Joe Calzahghe too.

Let me guess, he's got more wear and tear because of the ring wars right, whereas the tearups that Mosely and Marquez have had just didnt effect them like it did Marco

Then he says a 'one eyed man' which fair enough he was fighting with a bad cut. But unless you want to say it's the worst cut in the history of boxing and he was more impaired than any other fighter in history then you must give Khan credit as other boxers have been cut as badly and even worse and still gone on to give great performances and even won.


Just give Khan his dues is all I'm saying.

He's a 22 year old kid who was destroyed just two fights ago. Instead of trying to get an easy route back with a series of soft fights he went for one of the biggest legends in the sport, a make or break fight, and although the cut was unfortunate he still won the fight.

[ono]

Bilbo,lets try again,it wasnt that he was cut,it was where it was bleeding in to.It was going right in to his eye,thats the cut your supposed to stop a fight on,because the guy cant see at that point

Monkey I am in complete and 100% TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

I've never claimed otherwise.

But HOW IS THIS AMIR'S FAULT?

I never said Khan didnt do what he needed to do,but we cant make this Cesaer conquering either. Its an unsatisfying fight,because without the headbut we dont know who would have won the fight.
Truthfully I thought Khan would have torched him,but the fact that Barrera held up with one eye,makes the whole thing shaky. It definitly should have been stopped earlier and gone no contest.
Whats really interesting is if Khan's people go for the re-match

Or equally it suggests Barrera wasn't quite the Stevie Wonder the Barrera fans on here are making out...

[ono]

This thread is funny.

I said before the fight it wouldn't even be close. It wasn't. It made it very difficult for Barrera with the blood dripping into the eye. I still fail to see how he was going to get into the fight though. He couldn't keep up with Khan's speed and was having a lot of trouble setting himself. At 35 and relatively inactive i fail to see how he was going to trouble Khan in the later rounds....as some have suggested.

Shame the cut happened and all as it gives the Barrera fans something to hold onto when trying to convince themselves he still has something to offer.

He just aint the same fighter. You'd think the fight in a chinese gymnasium would prove he hasn't got it at world level anymore. How many world class fighters fight in gymnasiums? I can't think of any. How many world class fighters have recently fought a guy with only 1 win on his slate? I can't think of any.

I'm not satisfied with the outcome. I wanted Khan to school his ass just to shut a few people up. People on here just dont want to give him any credit and it's been like that since day one.

There is no 22 year old prospect with a better resume imo - if there is, point him out to me. Yes he's chinny, but he's also fast as hell and normally involved in some very exciting fights.

Calling Bilbo a troll because his opinion is opposite of yours is shameful. He's not a troll, he's a Hobit