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That's a big possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by sillent killer
If anybody can beat Mayweather it's Pac. The best anybody has looked against Floyd since Castillo was Zab Judah. Pac nearly as quick, hits harder, and doesn't fold. I give Pac a good chance because evidence shows that a fast southpaw can give Floyd trouble. I think the men are similar sized, and Pac's style is much more judge friendly.
The biggest knock on Pac is that his JMM victories are suspect. This comes down to matchups. Marquez is probably the toughest out there for him from a matchup point of view. In another thread, somebody accurately compares JMM's skill and to Kostya Tzsyu and points out that KT was brilliant against Pac-type fighters. He could neutralize speed with timing and counterpunch brilliantly. Well, Pac has managed to have two extremely close fights with a guy who is his worse matchup AND is P4P #2 in the world. Marquez is an amazing fighter who has gotten better with age. Even if you think he lost to Marquez, it doesn't diminish much from from the equation.
I'm not picking Pac in this fight just yet, but I will give Mayweather all credit if he takes this fight. It's by far his biggest risk, even more than Cotto. No knock on Cotto, but it comes down to the matchup.
Nobody knows Pacman's game better than Roach. He mentioned that something clicked inside him during the Diaz fight that even he was surprised. So I wouldn't rely on how he faught against Morales or JMM before. Pacquiao evolved into a complete fighter of the sport.
When the fight was announced did you not see how big Mayweather looked compared to Marquez, come on, Mayweather's bicep was bigger than Marquez's head!Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Zab Judah is a defensive oriented counter puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Pacquiao goes straight forward and tries to plow through you with smart aggression. Zab caught Mayweather with the counter left off of Mayweather lunching.
I don't think Floyd would have to worry about Pacquiao waiting for him to throw in an attempt to counter him.
That's no longer the case. I've noticed his elusiveness during the Pac-JMM rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Pacquiao goes straight forward and tries to plow through you with smart aggression.
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Pacquiao didn't receive one scratch nor tiny mouse on his face when he fought Diaz, DLH, and Hatton. That should tell you something.
Marquez isn't a guy used to going forward. He is a wonderful precise counter puncher who can go to war and find holes and eventually can break down guys. Actually Marquez is actually at his greatest going forward mostly only when he is finishing someone, which astounds me. But Mayweather is faster then that and would pick his shots against Pacquiao better as I don't think he'd bull in trying to hit him like that, he'd make Pacquiao come forward and try to counter him and even if Pacquiao moved, he wouldn't have hit Mayweather anyway with the first shot Mayweather tried to counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. SteelhammerThat's no longer the case. I've noticed his elusiveness during the Pac-JMM rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Pacquiao goes straight forward and tries to plow through you with smart aggression.
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Pacquiao didn't receive one scratch nor tiny mouse on his face when he fought Diaz, DLH, and Hatton. That should tell you something.
People say that people have a plan against Pacquiao before they realise his speed is too much, same can be said for Mayweather.
I disagree. Any of the top natural welterweights have as good of a chance against PBF. Maybe better. Pac is moving up to fight Floyd. A bigger version of Pac would beat PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
I would love to see this fight happen, but i fear Floyd will duck manny, after all, who would want to fight Pacquiao???
He's the best around by far, heres hoping for the super fight but im not holding my breath
Floyd isn't ducking Pac. No way. It is another opportunity for him to make super duper coin fighting and probably beating a smaller fighter.
It would also be interesting to see Pac fight Cotto if, of course, Cotto gets past Clottey. Thereby fighting and beating a more legitimate welterweight than PBF has and leaving no doubt as to who has the better HOF resume.
Agreed, it is the only thing that has me uneasy. Mayweather easily beats an orthodox-Pacman but the fact that he is southpaw will give him a lot more trouble. On the flip side, PBF hadnt fought a southpaw in quite a long time. Many of the mistakes in the first 4 rounds will be fixed in training camp I am sure. They had (virtually) no prior experience with southpaws, so Roger and Floyd wouldnt know exactly what to work on. Im sure they will study that fight a whole lot and fix those mistakes because Mayweather was able to survive the 4th round against Judah but I doubt he would against Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Agreed with the second paragraph as well.
I doubt PAC will do it especially if Judah becomes PBF's sparring partner so he can get accustomed to fast southpaws. But I bet b/c of the southpaw issue, this will be his hardest fight. I agree about Cotto too.Quote:
I'm not picking Pac in this fight just yet, but I will give Mayweather all credit if he takes this fight. It's by far his biggest risk, even more than Cotto. No knock on Cotto, but it comes down to the matchup.
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Originally Posted by RantcatratI disagree. Any of the top natural welterweights have as good of a chance against PBF. Maybe better. Pac is moving up to fight Floyd. A bigger version of Pac would beat PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Exactamento!!! IMO A bigger version of PAC could pose problems for almost anybody. PAC's only weakness right now is him being small, if he was at least the size(height and frame) of Mosely I'd choose him to beat even Paul Williams.
PAC was successful against great Mexican boxers...
PAC was very impressive against a Mancunian (White) Mexican...
Maybe PAC will be successful too against a "Black Mexican"...;)
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Saddoooo Saddooooooooo...you are one of the many reasons why I want Pac to lose :D.
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Pacquiao didn't receive one scratch nor tiny mouse on his face when he fought Diaz, DLH, and Hatton. That should tell you something
...against Diaz and ODLH, eh? Mentioning them and even in the same line kind of diminishes what Pac has accomplished in more challenging fights he has come out victorious. If I was a PacFan, I would stay away from mentioning Diaz and ODLH really:rolleyes:.
Anyways, those videos you posted are good, but just a small part of what happened that whole night vs JMM 2 and the first one as well. Remember the times where Manny was on wobbly feet and almost going down from body punches? He has shown to improve somewhat in his defense but he can still get connected, something we are yet to see in Floyd Mayweather Jr. No wonder he leaves his fights with not a single scratch on his face. Maybe Pac can change that or maybe not.