Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
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Greenbeanz
Meh. There is such a thing as too much grey. Trying to keep all your options open and hedge your bets. Lyle is consistent in his argument.
You love Wlad and think he's the best thing since sliced bread..... or you're a hater?
I'd rather delve in the gray, thanks.
This isn't about "hedging bets" and "keeping options open".
It's about having an opinion of a fighter that lies somewhere between a god and a bum.
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
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DavilaJones
I find it amusing to hear Lennox mentioned in this because it wasn't too long ago that it was deemed that he was too boring and fights with a safety first approach to boxing.
I believe the K bros and Lewis to be top 10 ATG due to their athletic abilities and skills rather than quality of opposition.
To those who believed Ali and Frazier were perhaps at the zenith of the heavyweight era I'd recommend you to watch Ali vs Frazier II. The point im trying to make is that skill doesn't always make for an exciting fight nor do exciting fighters always fight exciting fights.
This times 1000!
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
DavilaJones
I find it amusing to hear Lennox mentioned in this because it wasn't too long ago that it was deemed that he was too boring and fights with a safety first approach to boxing.
I believe the K bros and Lewis to be top 10 ATG due to their athletic abilities and skills rather than quality of opposition.
To those who believed Ali and Frazier were perhaps at the zenith of the heavyweight era I'd recommend you to watch Ali vs Frazier II. The point im trying to make is that skill doesn't always make for an exciting fight nor do exciting fighters always fight exciting fights.
This times 1000!
Trouble is there is no truth to those allegations about Lennox and inferring that Lennox was anywhere near the style of Wlad is ridiculous.
Second that their athletic ability should be counted and not the quality of their competition begs the entire question of this thread and boxing legacy.
Thirdly the Ali/Frazier fights are but a small portion of the golden era.
That’s the trouble some times with hypothetical’s. They can generate all kinds of heat and very little light whatsoever. Facts become secondary to the ongoing argument. Better to state your claim and maybe redirect it once and then back out slowly with arms at your side lol.
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
what is going on in ths thread now :S klitschko cant fight like that :S not many guys can... who cares... they guy(wladimir) is pretty good... undeniably boring but he is very good in my opinion over the years I have heard people come up with the formula to beat them and they are going to do this and that and this again and i have just seen wladimir beat them all comfortably :S I think wlad is actually a lot better than he is given credit for, in my opinion, when he is on his game obviously, he would be competive with anyone... everyone has their ideas how to beat them but once they are there and feel the jab and get hit with the right their tactical masterplan is soon forgotten... wladimir controlls fights brilliant and sort of makes himself look bad but I think he is undoubtably very very good... I am a big fan of his but you wont hear any arguments from me that the guy is not boring he holds so much back, I have seen him in the past throw all sorts of punches but now he is happy to just dominate people with the jab and right straight... good punches and it works but I think he has lost a lot of skill too because of this... not sure if his chin is actually that bad, haye hit him, wach hit him really good and made him uncomfortable but i dont think he was close to being on queer street, it looks to me it is a case of he doesnt like getting hit more than he cant take a punch just now :S...
so err in the end i drank beer and forgot what i was posting :S but i think wladimir has suffered from the era he lives in too and lost a few skills that would have made him one of the best ever.. in my opinion he has proved that it would take an all time great to beat him(when he is on good form obviously).. I think if he had better competition... aka more david hayes(say what you want about the guy, i hate him, but he is a good fighter) then wlad would still have dominated but would have been forced to use more of his potential .... so errr i would say he is a contendor for top 10 all time heavyweight but also there are a few fellows who could beat him in his current state... I am biased though... he just doesnt use enough variation in his punches but he does win :S
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
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imp
Wlad deserves respect for what he has achieved in this era but if he had Lennox lewis opponents there would be a huge difference in resume.
Just think what a past prime lennox would have done to prime wlads last opponent.
Who is to say if Lennox could have KO'd him you can't assume he would just to support your views
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
An old, fat, washed up Lewis beat Vitali in his prime. Imagine what Lewis at his best would have done to Wlad and Vitali.
I have a feeling Lyle that if Lewis had not fought Vitali, you would have said something along the lines that the Klits would have knocked out Lewis easily. Just a hunch.
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generalbulldog
An old, fat, washed up Lewis beat Vitali in his prime. Imagine what Lewis at his best would have done to Wlad and Vitali.
I have a feeling Lyle that if Lewis had not fought Vitali, you would have said something along the lines that the Klits would have knocked out Lewis easily. Just a hunch.
I thought they would be competitive at the least. Let's be honest neither Vitali nor Lennox were 100% prepared for that fight. Lennox Lewis is an all-time great. In hindsight Wlad wasn't ready for that step up, now he could hold his own but back then Wlad's only hope would be to pour on the offense early and catch Lewis and follow up.
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El Kabong
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generalbulldog
An old, fat, washed up Lewis beat Vitali in his prime. Imagine what Lewis at his best would have done to Wlad and Vitali.
I have a feeling Lyle that if Lewis had not fought Vitali, you would have said something along the lines that the Klits would have knocked out Lewis easily. Just a hunch.
I thought they would be competitive at the least. Let's be honest neither Vitali nor Lennox were 100% prepared for that fight. Lennox Lewis is an all-time great. In hindsight Wlad wasn't ready for that step up, now he could hold his own but back then Wlad's only hope would be to pour on the offense early and catch Lewis and follow up.
At that time Wlad had very little chance, now it would have been a good fight but still feel Lennox would dig deep and bring the victory.
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No matter what anyone says every klit fan ends up in the same place when you mention lennox lewis.
The best, prime klit brother could not dethrone a past it, two loss lennox lewis.
Dumbass. Try taking a fighters entire career into context rather than one fight on 11 days notice. Wlad is the best klit only a mong would suggest otherwise nowadays. Vitali is a H2H monster and one of only a few HW's to be a 3x champ. Lewis is no good he was brutally kayoed by mcall! Your logic. LOL
It's not m fault u are dumb enough to have fallen for the nostalgic hype that comes with the so-called 'golden era' of heavyweight boxing when the soviet union fighters weren't even allowed to fight for world titles. Get used to them because they are the first of man! GET USED TO THEM!
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none of these types of fighters exist today.
Which is just as well because i.e Joe Frazier would be jabbed to death and finished within 7 rounds easily by either klitschko in there pomp and u would be on here calling Joe an overrated can!
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The klits RULE this WEAK era and the prime big brother vitali best and greatest fight was his LOSS to weak chin, hugging, canadian/english, fat lennox lewis.
Roughy translated: 'I am actually quite dumb'. Vitali i think u will find was winning that fight on points and outlanded lewis in nearly single round. The cut stoppage on 11 days notice wasn't a convincing win. The much anticipated rematch happened when exactly? You're a typical biased jobsworth who overrates their own fighters and gets jealous when other countries dominate boxing hahaa. The only two that could hold up today would probabley be lewis and holyfield and even then it's far from certain as to who would reign supreme if they were all 100%.
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That version of lennox would have beat wlad today and you know its the truth.
I doubt it. He couldn't even keep seljko mavrovic off him for 12 rounds. Wach is much more of a threat than CW Mavrovic and he was utterly schooled. Manny himself said 'wlad at this point is as near invincible as they come'....Try harder.
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Try not to go back to many years to compare fighters to the klit brothers in how well they would do as lennox lewis is all you need to measure their level.
So we should measure Wlad against a fighter he never fought and Vk against a fighter he fought with 11 days notice and was stopped on cuts whilst ahead on the cards? Quality poster. I assume we should measure Lewis by Mcall and Wlad by Brewster then! LOL. Try measuring your IQ it should be similar to your shoe size.
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
What drivel,Lennox Lewis would destroy Klit.
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
I think the T.S is confusing exciting fights with ability! Smokin Bert cooper was in numerous fights like the one in the OP. What does that prove? LOL.
Gatti/Ward anyone! Ward was B level at best.
If u want exciting HW fights then go watch:
-Brewster v Liakovich\Krasniqi
-VK v Sanders\Lewis
-Golota v Sanders/Bowe
-Maskaev v Rahman 1 & 2
-Byrd v Golota/Mcline
-Tua v Ibeaubuchi
Etc Because all of those are just as watchable as Norton v Holmes. K2 do not allow there opponents to do what norton did to holmes. They are too good.
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
Oops silly me...I just dropped my IBF belt! Careless.
Re: Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?
imp....Lennox Lewis isn't walking through that door, neither is Ali or Frazier or Foreman. This heavyweight division right here right now is OWNED by Wladimir Klitschko and it's his until he decides it's time to retire so how about you come on to the 2010's and stop holding on your past glories huh? Wlad is the man right now and he's been the man since Lewis retired and that's a longer reign than Lennox Lewis ever had, longer than Mike Tyson, longer than Evander Holyfield, longer than Ali, longer than Frazier or Foreman, longer than Liston, longer than Johnson, longer than Dempsey, longer than Marciano, longer than Patterson, longer than everyone but Larry Holmes (who will soon be passed) and the GREATEST of all time Joe Louis (who IMO will ALWAYS be the greatest of All-Time).
Recognize greatness, that's all I'm saying.
Give Wlad his due and don't talk about all the other heavyweights, they had their time in the spotlight, now it's Wlad's time. And before you get all bent out of shape, Lennox Lewis was a great champion, nobody is doubting that but he's not fighting anymore so unless he wants to make a comeback it's pointless to bring him up in regards to Wladimir.
