Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

No matter what anyone says every klit fan ends up in the same place when you mention lennox lewis.
The best, prime klit brother could not dethrone a past it, two loss lennox lewis.

Dumbass. Try taking a fighters entire career into context rather than one fight on 11 days notice. Wlad is the best klit only a mong would suggest otherwise nowadays. Vitali is a H2H monster and one of only a few HW's to be a 3x champ. Lewis is no good he was brutally kayoed by mcall! Your logic. LOL

It's not m fault u are dumb enough to have fallen for the nostalgic hype that comes with the so-called 'golden era' of heavyweight boxing when the soviet union fighters weren't even allowed to fight for world titles. Get used to them because they are the first of man! GET USED TO THEM!

none of these types of fighters exist today.

Which is just as well because i.e Joe Frazier would be jabbed to death and finished within 7 rounds easily by either klitschko in there pomp and u would be on here calling Joe an overrated can!

The klits RULE this WEAK era and the prime big brother vitali best and greatest fight was his LOSS to weak chin, hugging, canadian/english, fat lennox lewis.

Roughy translated: 'I am actually quite dumb'. Vitali i think u will find was winning that fight on points and outlanded lewis in nearly single round. The cut stoppage on 11 days notice wasn't a convincing win. The much anticipated rematch happened when exactly? You're a typical biased jobsworth who overrates their own fighters and gets jealous when other countries dominate boxing hahaa. The only two that could hold up today would probabley be lewis and holyfield and even then it's far from certain as to who would reign supreme if they were all 100%.

That version of lennox would have beat wlad today and you know its the truth.

I doubt it. He couldn't even keep seljko mavrovic off him for 12 rounds. Wach is much more of a threat than CW Mavrovic and he was utterly schooled. Manny himself said 'wlad at this point is as near invincible as they come'....Try harder.

Try not to go back to many years to compare fighters to the klit brothers in how well they would do as lennox lewis is all you need to measure their level.

So we should measure Wlad against a fighter he never fought and Vk against a fighter he fought with 11 days notice and was stopped on cuts whilst ahead on the cards? Quality poster. I assume we should measure Lewis by Mcall and Wlad by Brewster then! LOL. Try measuring your IQ it should be similar to your shoe size.

[roberto duran legend]

What drivel,Lennox Lewis would destroy Klit.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Oops silly me...I just dropped my IBF belt! Careless.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I think the T.S is confusing exciting fights with ability! Smokin Bert cooper was in numerous fights like the one in the OP. What does that prove? LOL.

Gatti/Ward anyone! Ward was B level at best.

If u want exciting HW fights then go watch:

-Brewster v Liakovich\Krasniqi

-VK v Sanders\Lewis

-Golota v Sanders/Bowe

-Maskaev v Rahman 1 & 2

-Byrd v Golota/Mcline

-Tua v Ibeaubuchi

Etc Because all of those are just as watchable as Norton v Holmes. K2 do not allow there opponents to do what norton did to holmes. They are too good.

[imp]

No matter what anyone says every klit fan ends up in the same place when you mention lennox lewis.
The best, prime klit brother could not dethrone a past it, two loss lennox lewis.

Dumbass. Try taking a fighters entire career into context rather than one fight on 11 days notice. Wlad is the best klit only a mong would suggest otherwise nowadays. Vitali is a H2H monster and one of only a few HW's to be a 3x champ. Lewis is no good he was brutally kayoed by mcall! Your logic. LOL

It's not m fault u are dumb enough to have fallen for the nostalgic hype that comes with the so-called 'golden era' of heavyweight boxing when the soviet union fighters weren't even allowed to fight for world titles. Get used to them because they are the first of man! GET USED TO THEM!

none of these types of fighters exist today.

Which is just as well because i.e Joe Frazier would be jabbed to death and finished within 7 rounds easily by either klitschko in there pomp and u would be on here calling Joe an overrated can!

The klits RULE this WEAK era and the prime big brother vitali best and greatest fight was his LOSS to weak chin, hugging, canadian/english, fat lennox lewis.

Roughy translated: 'I am actually quite dumb'. Vitali i think u will find was winning that fight on points and outlanded lewis in nearly single round. The cut stoppage on 11 days notice wasn't a convincing win. The much anticipated rematch happened when exactly? You're a typical biased jobsworth who overrates their own fighters and gets jealous when other countries dominate boxing hahaa. The only two that could hold up today would probabley be lewis and holyfield and even then it's far from certain as to who would reign supreme if they were all 100%.

That version of lennox would have beat wlad today and you know its the truth.

I doubt it. He couldn't even keep seljko mavrovic off him for 12 rounds. Wach is much more of a threat than CW Mavrovic and he was utterly schooled. Manny himself said 'wlad at this point is as near invincible as they come'....Try harder.

Try not to go back to many years to compare fighters to the klit brothers in how well they would do as lennox lewis is all you need to measure their level.

So we should measure Wlad against a fighter he never fought and Vk against a fighter he fought with 11 days notice and was stopped on cuts whilst ahead on the cards? Quality poster. I assume we should measure Lewis by Mcall and Wlad by Brewster then! LOL. Try measuring your IQ it should be similar to your shoe size.

Ha ha. Great comedy. Mong?..how old are you?

What you never seem to grasp is the fact that in the 3rd round lennox threw a punch so vicious it opened up vitalis face!

Lennox did that!

No clash of heads!

Lennox fist!

This is a fight and no matter how great you think vitali fought (which he did do very well) his face could not stand up to lewis punches!

If the fight would have continued and vitali would have lost an eye would you still find some stupid excuse to justify all of this!

This is a younger, fitter, prime vitali.
And everything he threw could not floor lennox.

Give lennox his due and stop living in a fantasy world where everyone is from ukraine and your the brothers fluffer.

Vitali is a true warrior and we can all clearly see that lennox was his toughest opponent of all time that unfortunately he fell short by suffering his first and possibly last tko loss.

Ps:- Lennox avenged all his losses so i dont know how this is relevant to this fight??! Grow up!

[El Kabong]

imp....Lennox Lewis isn't walking through that door, neither is Ali or Frazier or Foreman. This heavyweight division right here right now is OWNED by Wladimir Klitschko and it's his until he decides it's time to retire so how about you come on to the 2010's and stop holding on your past glories huh? Wlad is the man right now and he's been the man since Lewis retired and that's a longer reign than Lennox Lewis ever had, longer than Mike Tyson, longer than Evander Holyfield, longer than Ali, longer than Frazier or Foreman, longer than Liston, longer than Johnson, longer than Dempsey, longer than Marciano, longer than Patterson, longer than everyone but Larry Holmes (who will soon be passed) and the GREATEST of all time Joe Louis (who IMO will ALWAYS be the greatest of All-Time).


Recognize greatness, that's all I'm saying.

Give Wlad his due and don't talk about all the other heavyweights, they had their time in the spotlight, now it's Wlad's time. And before you get all bent out of shape, Lennox Lewis was a great champion, nobody is doubting that but he's not fighting anymore so unless he wants to make a comeback it's pointless to bring him up in regards to Wladimir.

[imp]

imp....Lennox Lewis isn't walking through that door, neither is Ali or Frazier or Foreman. This heavyweight division right here right now is OWNED by Wladimir Klitschko and it's his until he decides it's time to retire so how about you come on to the 2010's and stop holding on your past glories huh? Wlad is the man right now and he's been the man since Lewis retired and that's a longer reign than Lennox Lewis ever had, longer than Mike Tyson, longer than Evander Holyfield, longer than Ali, longer than Frazier or Foreman, longer than Liston, longer than Johnson, longer than Dempsey, longer than Marciano, longer than Patterson, longer than everyone but Larry Holmes (who will soon be passed) and the GREATEST of all time Joe Louis (who IMO will ALWAYS be the greatest of All-Time).


Recognize greatness, that's all I'm saying.

Give Wlad his due and don't talk about all the other heavyweights, they had their time in the spotlight, now it's Wlad's time. And before you get all bent out of shape, Lennox Lewis was a great champion, nobody is doubting that but he's not fighting anymore so unless he wants to make a comeback it's pointless to bring him up in regards to Wladimir.

Kabong...I completely respect that this era is dominated by Wlad.
I mentioned that on many occasions.
I am just defending lennox lewis as certain people keep bringing up the fact that IF the vitali fight wasnt stopped or IF there was rematch.
(IF my auntie had balls she"ll be my uncle!)

So Wlad is the longest current heavyweight champion in the world..ok..he deserves kudos for that.

But let me ask another question, would you agree that this era is somewhat weaker than perhaps the past eras of previous great fighters?

And if so, (now we all have hindsight) is it fair to jump great fighters from the past and discredit them (holmes, etc) against current ones who have greater physical advantages but have had it alot easier?

I was the fastest runner in my primary school until i went secondary.
The competition changed.

[imp]

I still cant understand your fascination with Wlad when you clearly understand other legendary fighters like jones etc and put valid points across as to how they have achieved greatness.

It seems very lazy to just say that its because there non american that everyone dismisses them.

I have no affliation with no country, race or breed its the skill of the fighter i respect.

In a way i wish there was better competition for Wlad so we can see how good he really is (but then again, with respect he lacks the killer instinct to finish off some of this batch)

[El Kabong]

In a way i wish there was better competition for Wlad so we can see how good he really is (but then again, with respect he lacks the killer instinct to finish off some of this batch)

Of course, I totally agree with the first part and at a certain point in his career you are right about the killer instinct but that goes back to Purrity and Brewster where he gassed out. If you look at the Wach fight Wlad threw the kitchen sink at the guy and he didn't budge....can't knock them all out. I wish he would fight guys the way he fought Ray Mercer or Ray Austin and vs Wach he did open up earlier, maybe he's finding that comfort zone. All fighters are different that way.

[TitoFan]

I still cant understand your fascination with Wlad when you clearly understand other legendary fighters like jones etc and put valid points across as to how they have achieved greatness.

It seems very lazy to just say that its because there non american that everyone dismisses them.

I have no affliation with no country, race or breed its the skill of the fighter i respect.

In a way i wish there was better competition for Wlad so we can see how good he really is (but then again, with respect he lacks the killer instinct to finish off some of this batch)

What I've always said. You can say Wlad is the best and totally dominates this era and you'd be correct. You can also state that the division is weaker than at other times, and you'd also be correct. Finally, you can state that Wlad has never been truly tested... and you'd have a pretty good point. I don't believe in this "all-or-nothing" mentality when it comes to Wlad. You can give him his props... and you can point out some criticisms. It's the logical, non-fan way to look at Wlad.

[El Kabong]

What I've always said. You can say Wlad is the best and totally dominates this era and you'd be correct. You can also state that the division is weaker than at other times, and you'd also be correct. Finally, you can state that Wlad has never been truly tested... and you'd have a pretty good point. I don't believe in this "all-or-nothing" mentality when it comes to Wlad. You can give him his props... and you can point out some criticisms. It's the logical, non-fan way to look at Wlad.

Wlad has been knocked down and gotten up to win a fight. Wlad has also been cut and needed to end a fight and done so. What the fuck kind of "test" do you want the guy to pass? Give me SPECIFICS because if you're going to judge Wlad by it then I'm going to be certain you're going to judge everyone else by it too.

[El Kabong]

In hindsight maybe Wlad's era looks weaker, maybe it looks better we can't judge it for what it MIGHT look like because we don't know (and this is scary) if there will be better heavyweights in the years to come.


The deal with Lewis is, he got out when he knew it was his time to go. He wasn't going to wait around for Vitali to heal up. The FANS 100% of them wanted to see a rematch because let's be honest that was one hell of a show they put on, both of them!

[ninjaspy3]

I like Wlad and think he has greatly improved.

What I do not like is this recent trend of having Wlad fight people who have NO business in the ring with him. For example, Wach. Sure Wach was undefeated but look at who he fought. Almost no one worth mention. Very likely Wach could never beat Wlad no matter what BUT what they did with him is like throwing him in the deep end of the pool. Its madness.

Someone needs to endure fighters are properly groomed. Newcomers need badly to mix it up with the more expierenced fighters before even thinking about a Klitschko. Even Haye was guilty of this and of course he sank in the deep end of the pool.

This whole deal with top contenders avoiding each other in hopes of jumping to fight a Klitschko must stop because all these fighters are getting is a paycheck but slim to none chance of winning.

[El Kabong]

That's the managers and promoters issue right there. I could plan out a track for any heavyweight out there to get them a shot at Wlad or Vitali (as could most of you I imagine) but the thing is the fights aren't getting made. I told people David Haye wasn't ready and nobody believed me, they said "He's going to retire at 30" they said he "was already world class" and look at where that got him.

You've got to prepare a fighter for the size, style, power, speed, and skill of a champion like Wlad or Vitali. It's difficult but not impossible, guys like Povetkin should have had this done already but they were too busy pussyfooting around with tomato cans to mess with them.


I don't blame the Klitschko's for who they fight, who really wants to fight them? They give opportunities to damn near anyone, very few jump at the chance to fight them.

[ninjaspy3]

That's the managers and promoters issue right there. I could plan out a track for any heavyweight out there to get them a shot at Wlad or Vitali (as could most of you I imagine) but the thing is the fights aren't getting made. I told people David Haye wasn't ready and nobody believed me, they said "He's going to retire at 30" they said he "was already world class" and look at where that got him.

You've got to prepare a fighter for the size, style, power, speed, and skill of a champion like Wlad or Vitali. It's difficult but not impossible, guys like Povetkin should have had this done already but they were too busy pussyfooting around with tomato cans to mess with them.


I don't blame the Klitschko's for who they fight, who really wants to fight them? They give opportunities to damn near anyone, very few jump at the chance to fight them.

Yep, I pretty much agree with all you said. Indeed its the managers but also seems to be the culture of the heavyweight scene lately.

In theory, someone with all the right tools could jump into the ring with a Klitschko and have a chance but that is very rare and takes a very special fighter. But none of these guys is on that level and they need to get their heads out of the clouds. They must put in the work and climb the ladder. But the managers of the top 10 heavyweights need to stop being so selfish and let their fighters mix it up with these young contenders.

Experience is a valuable asset and the Klitschko brothers have racked up loads of experience.