Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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You have got to be fucking joking! It is well known that Wladimir barely even prepared for the Sanders fight because he didn't even consider him a threat, taken by surprise obviously! I would back Wladimir in any rematch with Sanders just as I'd do for Haye with Thompson.

Wlad vs Sanders was EXACTLY as it was with say McCall vs Lewis, thought they had easy fights, focussed on the future, got busted, and came back :)

No excuse? Lewis had no excuse but laziness.. Wlad has the not too shabby excuse of suffering a massive sandwich headbutt that would have felled about anybody!

Of all of them on the list I gave, Wladimir has the BEST excuse! you fool!

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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You have got to be fucking joking! It is well known that Wladimir barely even prepared for the Sanders fight because he didn't even consider him a threat, taken by surprise obviously! I would back Wladimir in any rematch with Sanders just as I'd do for Haye with Thompson.

Wlad vs Sanders was EXACTLY as it was with say McCall vs Lewis, thought they had easy fights, focussed on the future, got busted, and came back :)

No excuse? Lewis had no excuse but laziness.. Wlad has the not too shabby excuse of suffering a massive sandwich headbutt that would have felled about anybody!

Of all of them on the list I gave, Wladimir has the BEST excuse! you fool!

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Thompson wanted the rematch but Haye didnt. Never even made an offer. Maybe if you were there to reassure Dave that you still back him, he would have made an offer.;D

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BS. As if Sanders could have won a rematch. He fucking ducked one didn't he?

Wlad underestimated him and was taken by surprise.

Plus what are the odds of another freak headbutt+punch like that occurring again?

If Sanders was as good as Wlad then why didn't he reign as the most dominant champ of all time??

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Sanders was as good as Wlad.

Wlad had no excuses with distractions, lack of fitness, not training right etc like Tysons loss to Douglas.

He may not have been as consistant as Wlad but the proof is in the pudding. They actually fought and Wlad was anhialated!

On his night, Sanders speed and fearless syle is too much for Wlad.

On Thompsons night, hesjust too tough for Haye.

Haye thought he could do the same. He has speed but jes not fearless. He pussy footed around Hsrrison for 2 and a half rounds before Harrison fell over. Even Price had the ballsto takeit to Harrison.

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You have got to be fucking joking! It is well known that Wladimir barely even prepared for the Sanders fight because he didn't even consider him a threat, taken by surprise obviously! I would back Wladimir in any rematch with Sanders just as I'd do for Haye with Thompson.

Wlad vs Sanders was EXACTLY as it was with say McCall vs Lewis, thought they had easy fights, focussed on the future, got busted, and came back :)

No excuse? Lewis had no excuse but laziness.. Wlad has the not too shabby excuse of suffering a massive sandwich headbutt that would have felled about anybody!

Of all of them on the list I gave, Wladimir has the BEST excuse! you fool!

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i would, under wladimir rules

under the rules of boxing tho i think sanders would get to him every time

if he were still alive

Yeah because Sanders and Thompson just displayed so much more overall ability than Wladimir and Haye didn't they?

Well I'm not that convinced I'm sorry. You guys will sink to anything to lower a current HW.

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Yeah because Sanders and Thompson just displayed so much more overall ability than Wladimir and Haye didn't they?

Well I'm not that convinced I'm sorry. You guys will sink to anything to lower a current HW.

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its hard to tell how much ability wlad has coz he doesnt really box, he does something that resembles boxing sometimes, but the rest of the time its more of a hugging thing

wlad is only Heavyweight Wladimir Rules Champion

its like Ozzie Rules Football, its turned into a completely different game, you just kick the ball every now and again so i suppose you can still call it football, the big difference is you arent aloud to pick the ball up in real football as you arent allowed to hold in real boxing, the Ozzies are ok admitting its different rules tho where wlad still tries to disguise Wladimir Rules as boxing

btw i wouldnt put haye in anywhere near the same category as wlad, Haye is a boxer and a fantastic explosive exciting one at that, really rare in todays HWs, i hope he comes back, the division is a lot worse off without him

They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

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They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

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ill give you some opinions

wlad makes lots of people very rich every time he fights
wlad has a suspect chin
holding and leaning are against the rules of boxing
wlad holds and leans all the way through most of his fights
the way wlad holds and leans protects his chin
wlad makes lots of people very rich every time he fights

now i wonder why he is allowed to get away with holding and leaning all the way through the majority of his fights, hmmmmmm

oh yes its because he makes lots of people very rich every time he fights so they dont want him to lose

did i mention how much money wlad generates everytime he fights? if i didnt then just so you know wlad generates masses of money every time he fights :)

Yeah I know he generates lots of money, so tell me then why is Wlad protected only. Wasn't Lennox and Tyson protected similarly also?

I have watched Wladimir's fights and I'll give it to you that the Povetkin fight was too much but I've seen nothing else in his previous fights that I deem to be "illegal" or "cheating".

I'm sorry, I have seen what can definitely be described as boring but nothing more sinister.

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They are completely different sports and always have been. One of them features one of the most all-round athletes in the world and full on excitement the whole time (aussie rules) and the other is only just above golf at being one of the most boring and most pussy ass games of all (soccer) =P

I can't believe you label Wlad and not boxing. He is without any doubt at HW the most technical fighter of all time, nobody transformed boxing like he did. The object of boxing is to hit and not get hit. That's what he does.

So Wald had a stinker of a fight against Povetkin, before that fight the most clinchiest HW fight was in fact Muhammad Ali's fucking FOTC with Frazier!

But where is the criticism there? That fight sucked too but it's LAUDED as the GREATEST fight. Where's the logic there?

I can't care less if he's not liked around here but there's never been such dominance. Honestly BEFORE Wlad vs Povetkin he was criticised for jabbing too much! What can he do right!?

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How old are you dude?

What has that got to do with anything Bo-Bo? Old enough to recognise bullshit when I hear it!

Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

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Wald biggest problem is his brother because there is like different divisions i mean Wald pretty much been guy now for a few years but never beat best guy in his era. Also he lost to journeyman from the 90's and lost to to contenders from the 90's. This era is shit because it came after best era there has been pretty much bad timing for it. Also Vitali was not able to have the torch passed down because lost to old Lewis who was kinda on the chubbier side and was most likely ending his career at 38. This era could do well in most but it just had to come after a great era which was the 90's the 80's had the same problem as well Larry Holmes really does not get his dues because he followed Ali era but was just as good. So the reason this era is hated is because followed one of best eras the torch was not passed and Americans are kinda weak in hw department.

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Well I can agree with a lot of that. The 90's era did set the bar very highly for the subsequent one.

I don't think the Vitali/Lewis affair takes anything from Vitali's legacy. Nobody watching the coverage of boxing at that time who was a neutral observer can fail to ascertain otherwise that Lewis was still on his game, the fight was highly controversial and Vitali retired Lewis after watching the destruction of top contender Johnson so easily.

Not that I'm taking anything away from Lewis here either, I fully accept that the fight had to be stopped in favour of Lewis but it should definitely have been a rematch. One that I don't think Lewis would have won. Neither did Lewis obviously.

Who would have won out of Vitali/Lennox at their personal best so to speak is imo an up in the air topic.

Vitali Klitschko is the easiest boxer of all to defend. He never suffered a non-controversial loss, and there were only 2 such instances anyway against Byrd and Lewis who were both champs. Unlike Lewis who lost to lesser guys without controversy and struggled with others who Vitali would have just wasted. He was never knocked down let alone out. Never lost more than 2 rounds or was behind on points in any fight, fought absolute monsters and guys with cracker records.

On top of all that he simply, without nonsense, beat the absolute living shit out of all of his opponents! And not in boring or controversial fashion like his brother either, his fights were spectacular to watch!

I can defend Lewis and Wlad equally but there is also an excellent case for Vitali Klitschko as the GOAT HW. Probably the easiest case to defend! For the time 03 to his first retirement, I don't think there was a HW in history who could have beaten him, neither Lewis or Wlad.

So now you are claiming Vitali id the greatest heavyweight of all time!

Old Lennox Lewis beat him so how do you explain that?
Vitali quit to who else before that?
Vitali moved far too slow and would be taken apart by Tyson, Bowe and even Holyfield.