Abraham - Dirrell fight thread

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Originally Posted by CFH

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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I was just about to post the same thing, minus being a big fan of AA. Just cause everyones picks at the Super 6 are wilting :) Dirrell was dominating the fight. I gave AA 2 rounds, dont think anyone could have given him more than 3. The King is exposed.

On a side now I will go for a swim since I filled my e-pool with all my e-cash from the Dirrell victory. (don't ask about the maidana/cayo bet)

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Originally Posted by CFH

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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Yeah AA did deserve the DQ even though I was rooting for him. Thing is, I'm not entirely convinced Dirrell was truly that hurt to "act" out like he did after the DQ. I mean, he was handed more punishment on the round before the final one and he was still standing there. (Not sure what round it is, but it was the round where it should have been called a knockdown). Was a bit inconsistent there in my eyes.

If he truly was hurt (I'm praying he's not), then I'd be the first to admit I'd be ashamed to be posting this one here.

Bottom line for me is AA did a stupid mistake and Dirrell deserve the DQ win.

someone needs to make a gif of the shot Abraham landed cause there seems to be some bizarre idea that it wasn't that hard of a punch. He's a monster puncher, had a lot of leverage punching down on him, Dirrell didn't even come close to seeing it and it snapped his head completely around. It was a hard looking shot to me.

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Originally Posted by arcanum26

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Originally Posted by CFH

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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Yeah AA did deserve the DQ even though I was rooting for him. Thing is, I'm not entirely convinced Dirrell was truly that hurt to "act" out like he did after the DQ. I mean, he was handed more punishment on the round before the final one and he was still standing there. (Not sure what round it is, but it was the round where it should have been called a knockdown). Was a bit inconsistent there in my eyes.

If he truly was hurt (I'm praying he's not), then I'd be the first to admit I'd be ashamed to be posting this one here.

Bottom line for me is AA did a stupid mistake and Dirrell deserve the DQ win.

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How can anyone not think he was hurt? He was literally fucking delusional after the fight ended. No one would fake that, especially when they were well ahead in a fight and were clearly outclassing their opponent. To say otherwise is just ridiculous and ignorant.

This part of my post isn't directed at you because I haven't noticed you say anything of the sort, but I love how some people are suddenly neurologists here talking about how someone should or should not be acting after receiving a heavy, undefended, and unexpected blow to the head. I'm honestly shocked at some peoples reaction to this fight. I just hope DIrrell is ok, because IMO he should be leading the Super 6 at this point instead of hopiing to recover from what appeared to potentially be a serious head injury.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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I don't recall reading a direct accusation of faking now if we're talking about overexaggerating for all it's worth that's what Dirrell did. I've never seen such antics from somebody who was KO'd in my life. Think back to some of the latest brutal KO's in the sport and how they responded (Hatton and Taylor) spring to mind. Both took awhile to get up , were confused and disorientated and looked lost. Contrast that with Dirrell. Lies down as if he's dead then springs up then goes back to the corner and sits down like he's dying again then starts yelling and making noise "let me breathe let me breathe". Abraham did a cowardly thing but Dirrell milked it for all it was worth

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

someone needs to make a gif of the shot Abraham landed cause there seems to be some bizarre idea that it wasn't that hard of a punch. He's a monster puncher, had a lot of leverage punching down on him, Dirrell didn't even come close to seeing it and it snapped his head completely around. It was a hard looking shot to me.

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This will be taken off soon, but here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KceqVTs6Eyg

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Originally Posted by Truth

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Originally Posted by CFH

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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I don't recall reading a direct accusation of faking now if we're talking about overexaggerating for all it's worth that's what Dirrell did. I've never seen such antics from somebody who was KO'd in my life. Think back to some of the latest brutal KO's in the sport and how they responded (Hatton and Taylor) spring to mind. Both took awhile to get up , were confused and disorientated and looked lost. Contrast that with Dirrell. Lies down as if he's dead then springs up then goes back to the corner and sits down like he's dying again then starts yelling and making noise "let me breathe let me breathe". Abraham did a cowardly thing but Dirrell milked it for all it was worth

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Whatever you say doctor. Dirrell didn't lie down like he was dead. He grabbed his head, slowly sank to the canvas, and started twitching. After he got back up, he was completely disoriented, borderline (or perhaps not borderline) delusional and had no idea what was going on.

Admittedly Wikipedia is not the best source for medical information, but this sounds right in line with what Dirrell did:

In one in about seventy concussions, concussive convulsions occur, but these are not actual post-traumatic seizures and are not predictive of post-traumatic epilepsy, which results from structural brain damage.[32] Concussive convulsions are thought to result from temporary loss of brain function rather than from structural damage and are usually associated with a good outcome.[33]

Cognitive symptoms include confusion, disorientation, and difficulty focusing attention. Loss of consciousness may occur but is not necessarily correlated with the severity of the concussion if it is brief.[15] Post-traumatic amnesia, in which the person cannot remember events leading up to the injury or after it, or both, is a hallmark of concussion.[18] Confusion, another concussion hallmark, may be present immediately or may develop over several minutes.[18] A patient may, for example, repeatedly ask the same questions,[34] be slow to respond to questions or directions, have a vacant stare, or have slurred[18] or incoherent speech.[35] Other MTBI symptoms include changes in sleeping patterns[11] and difficulty with reasoning,[31] concentrating, and performing everyday activities.[18]
Affective results of concussion include crankiness, loss of interest in favorite activities or items,[36] tearfulness,[5] and displays of emotion that are inappropriate to the situation.[35] Common symptoms in concussed children include restlessness, lethargy, and irritability.[37]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Truth

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

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Read the post immediately above yours. There a a variety of medically-supported reactions to concussions and other head injuries. Just because Dirrell acted differently than other fighters does not mean he was not seriously hurt. In fact, I would (baselessly) speculate that it could possibly mean he was hurt even worse than the other fighters you mention were.

I agree with your points about confusion. I just cant EVER think of a situation where an athlete had energy like Dirrell did after a serious head injury.

I agree with you 100% CFH about people responding differently to head injuries. However it is my opinion that it was not a coincidence that Dirrell's beaviour was out of the norm. I believe the reason his behaviour was out of the norm was that he simply didn't wan any more of AA.

I also believe it'd be hard for this KO to be deemed more serious than the Taylor one as Jermain was posturing (hands held up/ legs straight after he'd been KO'd shows a disconnect between the body and the brain) as a result of the trauma

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Originally Posted by Truth

I agree with your points about confusion. I just cant EVER think of a situation where an athlete had energy like Dirrell did after a serious head injury.

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Originally Posted by Truth

I agree with you 100% CFH about people responding differently to head injuries. However it is my opinion that it was not a coincidence that Dirrell's beaviour was out of the norm. I believe the reason his behaviour was out of the norm was that he simply didn't wan any more of AA.

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I disagree. He was beating Abraham handily and while Abraham was picking it up, Dirrell had already shown that he could take his best shots and keep coming.

As an anecdotal story about head injuries and energy etc., when I was about 10-12 I was playing baseball with some friends and slid head first into the cinderblock we were using for home plate because I misjudged the distance (ghetto, I know). I got up and felt fine aside from a mild headache and was full of energy for the rest of the game. As I was walking home about 10-15 minutes later, I basically collapsed from sudden nauseating head pain and dizziness and had to crawl home, which luckily was not far away. I called my mom and she rushed home and took me to a clinic where i was diagnosed with an amnesia-concussion (or something like that) because I could not remember anything after I hit my head until I collapsed on the way home. So the reactions to such injuries are not uniform and can be quite unpredictable in my experience at least.

You can have energy after a knockout..you dont have to be lethargic....stupid asses. Abraham is a sore loser....calling Dirrell an actor, he knows he got outboxed. He would have gotten away with that shit in Germany probably.

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Originally Posted by Truth

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

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People react to head injuries differently.

It was a hard uppercut that spun his head around and he was disoriented after the fight.

The fact some people are trying to state that Dirrell faked all of that simply to get out of going another round with Abraham or that he wanted no more of him need to really step back and see what they are doing. They are trying to give Abraham some sort of credit even though he lost.

There are certain lines you just should never cross because a fighter you like lost. Calling Dirrell an actor saying he was faking his disorientness and the whole scene after the fight where he was asking if the "speaker man" was there when it was Jim Gray, to say all that is faked just cause he didn't wanna fight Abraham is not only stupid, its incredibly biased. I can understand if you're an Abraham fan but there comes a point where you stop trying to give someone credit or an excuse and just admit they win. Dirrell could be seriously injured, now is not the time to be trying to give ups to your fighter who disgraced himself, and the sport with his post fight antics.

now that stupid, take it from someone who has blacked out after being kicked in the head. I got up lighting quick but I saw other peoples faces where they did not belong. He was not acting, he did not fear AA. AA acted like a punk afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

now that stupid, take it from someone who has blacked out after being kicked in the head. I got up lighting quick but I saw other peoples faces where they did not belong. He was not acting, he did not fear AA. AA acted like a punk afterwards.

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This. it was a disgrace.

Boxing is back in the media eye and on a night a UFC PPV happened, and the night before Wrestlemania, and those not tuning in are watching this fight and tournament.and what does he do? Not only does he get disqualified.. but he shows no remorse after, he calls Dirrell a actor not a boxer.

Yeah he acted his way upside your head for 10 rounds. People are trying to say Dirrell had to cheat to win and pretend? News Flash! Whether you believe he acted or not(I do not think he did) Abraham was the one who wailed back and hit him while he was down, so to call Dirrell a cheater and ignore Abraham cause people try to big him up is just idiotic.

It kinda looked like an acting game at the part of Dirrell at first, but looking at the replays and how he thought he actually lost the fight, I dont think he was acting all that much. Anyways Dirrell was dominating most of the time but then there was I couple of time he looked shaky. A rematch would be great but obviously won't happen. I'd still give AA a good shot at winning this if he was on top of his game.

btw, I just came back from the fight from JoeLA, wow, it was a good time, I met Tarver and my buddy took a picture of me and him. Well, he thought he took a picture but the drunk a** was shooting a video clip. Lol Anyways, it was a fun night out.

Ok, so I heard about this and then saw the foul and my immediate reaction was that Dirrell was faking and took advantage of the foul, but then I heard the audio and watched this and he was NOT faking. He slipped on a damn logo on the apron and took a dirty shot which was a hard shot. Abraham was trying to do damage. I think the problem I had with it is that immediately after the shot, he has a look of disgust on his face, but I think that was because he was trying to shake it off for a split second - then the effects caught up. Doesn't take the brain long to go from on to off. But if he was faking, he was taking a hell of a risk because he had to calculate that although he was doing well up to that point, the ref would call it a foul and he would win by DQ --- all in a millisecond before he layed down. Not only is he a great actor if he was faking but his whole camp is too. They were pissed and they were fooled by him too if that's the case. He first complained about his asthma, then asks if he was knocked out, then says that he'll finish the fight and a bunch of other statements that make no sense. No one is that good at acting like they are completely out of it. All of you guys saying he's faking need to get on your knees and let Arther Abraham punch you in the side of the head and then see how coherent you are. Add in the lack of oxygen if he was having asthma issues and see if what comes out of your mouth makes sense.

I don't even care if he is faking. AA deserve to lose for that bonehead move. That's what he gets.

YouTube - Super Six, Andre Dirrell & Arthur Abraham - DAS BÖSE ENDE 28.03.2010

I've had time to digest everything, and yeah, Abraham screwed up big time by hitting a man on the floor. You just don't do that. He was desperate and lost control and thus paid the penalty. I like to mock Dirrell, but he obviously got hit in a nasty place and wasn't all there. I hope he recovers well.

I think in a rematch Abraham starts a little quicker and gets to Dirrell sooner, but that is neither here nor there. Dirrell has the win and the tournament tightens up some more. You have to give credit to Dirrell for sticking with the gameplan for 8 rounds, but I really sensed him wilting down the stretch. It's just frustrating to have a fight end in such a way. Not good.

Dirrell is a shithouse.

He did hit him on the floor. It was a solid-ish shot, no different from what Dirrell had absorbed throughout the fight.

He looked at Abraham to say 'wtf' then dramatically fell to the floor. How anyone can defend what he's done is beyond me.

I'm not buying all the 'he was delusional after the fight' shite aswell. 100% play acting.

Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

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Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

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Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

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Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

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Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

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Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

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Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

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Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

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Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

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Fine, if you think he was acting but that doesnt change the fact a fighter cannot hit another fighter who fell down. And the shot was a good one.

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Dirrell was hit with a good shot while down
This action could -only- help Dirrell to lose

Man, acting or not, he was totally at a disadvantage after that. He would have gone on just to get KOd. To me this is an aobvious one. The illeagal hit simply changed the game too much for the fight to have gone on fairly.

And that is what Im trying to convey here. Surely you must understand this.
You obviously wanted to see him get up and fight, but that outcome would have been 100% bad for Dirrell although perhaps entertaining for you.

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Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

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Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

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Fine, if you think he was acting but that doesnt change the fact a fighter cannot hit another fighter who fell down. And the shot was a good one.

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Dirrell was hit with a good shot while down
This action could -only- help Dirrell to lose

Man, acting or not, he was totally at a disadvantage after that. He would have gone on just to get KOd. To me this is an aobvious one. The illeagal hit simply changed the game too much for the fight to have gone on fairly.

And that is what Im trying to convey here. Surely you must understand this.
You obviously wanted to see him get up and fight, but that outcome would have been 100% bad for Dirrell although perhaps entertaining for you.

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Yeah I wanted to see him get up and fight on like Haye and Marquez did after they were hit when they were down. Direl had it in him to act so he had it in him to go on. Griffin is the only other guy who took the cowards way out and the general feeling was that he was acting aswel.

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Originally Posted by Oggie

They were interviewing the doctor while you could see Andre in the background still flapping his lips, spouting out utter nonsense. :lolhaha:
The doctor was like: "We are worried that his brain might be bleeding..."

Then shouldn't you be f*cking attending to him instead of discussing it on TV? ;D

What a circus.

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There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

Hey guys I just saw the Tyrell Biggs-Mike Tyson fight a few days ago again. Tyson hits Biggs on the side of the head when the ref was breaking them up.
I sure wonder if Biggs did a Direll/Griffen would Tyson have been disqualified also?

At the 1:15 mark of the video. Biggs should have acted also, he could have been the 1st person to beat Tyson by DQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNsw...eature=related

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Hey guys I just saw the Tyrell Biggs-Mike Tyson fight a few days ago again. Tyson hits Biggs on the side of the head when the ref was breaking them up.
I sure wonder if Biggs did a Direll/Griffen would Tyson have been disqualified also?

At the 1:15 mark of the video. Biggs should have acted also, he could have been the 1st person to beat Tyson by DQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNsw...eature=related

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Uhh

Getting hit on the side of the head DOES NOT equal to getting hit clean while you are down.

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Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

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Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

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Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

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You're reaching, extremely to try to keep the belief that he was faking.

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Originally Posted by Oggie

They were interviewing the doctor while you could see Andre in the background still flapping his lips, spouting out utter nonsense. :lolhaha:
The doctor was like: "We are worried that his brain might be bleeding..."

Then shouldn't you be f*cking attending to him instead of discussing it on TV? ;D

What a circus.

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There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

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You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

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They were interviewing the doctor while you could see Andre in the background still flapping his lips, spouting out utter nonsense. :lolhaha:
The doctor was like: "We are worried that his brain might be bleeding..."

Then shouldn't you be f*cking attending to him instead of discussing it on TV? ;D

What a circus.

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There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

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You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

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There's nothing you can say that will make me believe otherwise. Dirrell shit out.

There might be a story to say he was severely concussed, but it would be false, because he wasn't.

When he took the punch, he looked back at Abraham as if to say WTF, then he squinted/grimaced, touched his nose, and then fell sideways. absolutely no way a fighter pauses a second after being hit, grimaces, touches his nose and then drops, when he's been actually ko'd.

I agree, Abraham shouldn't have hit him but from the post fight interview it was clear to me that Abraham seemed to believe that Dirrell might have actually had both feet planted on the floor. When asked about it in the interview he pointed out that he couldn't see, and i believe he was going to go on and say dirrell's feet were planted (the camera shot that Arthur was looking at didn't show Dirrell's feet). Unfortunately the idiot who was interviewing began speaking over him saying 'you couldn't see because there was blood in your eyes'.

Absolute joke. Even bigger joke how American TV went all along with it, and further dramatised it by having an interview with the Dr in Dirrell's changing room. Talking about his brain bleeding. From an arm punch that didn't land all that cleanly. Pathetic

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There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

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You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

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There's nothing you can say that will make me believe otherwise. Dirrell shit out.

There might be a story to say he was severely concussed, but it would be false, because he wasn't.

When he took the punch, he looked back at Abraham as if to say WTF, then he squinted/grimaced, touched his nose, and then fell sideways. absolutely no way a fighter pauses a second after being hit, grimaces, touches his nose and then drops, when he's been actually ko'd.

I agree, Abraham shouldn't have hit him but from the post fight interview it was clear to me that Abraham seemed to believe that Dirrell might have actually had both feet planted on the floor. When asked about it in the interview he pointed out that he couldn't see, and i believe he was going to go on and say dirrell's feet were planted (the camera shot that Arthur was looking at didn't show Dirrell's feet). Unfortunately the idiot who was interviewing began speaking over him saying 'you couldn't see because there was blood in your eyes'.

Absolute joke. Even bigger joke how American TV went all along with it, and further dramatised it by having an interview with the Dr in Dirrell's changing room. Talking about his brain bleeding. From an arm punch that didn't land all that cleanly. Pathetic

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Well, you know what they say about opinions...

Anyway, how do you agree but then immediately start excusing the incident?

Im sure Abaraham must have found it pretty strange to have to aim so low to hit Dirrells head if Dirrell's feet were supposedly planted. (planted where? under the ring? ha)

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You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

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There's nothing you can say that will make me believe otherwise. Dirrell shit out.

There might be a story to say he was severely concussed, but it would be false, because he wasn't.

When he took the punch, he looked back at Abraham as if to say WTF, then he squinted/grimaced, touched his nose, and then fell sideways. absolutely no way a fighter pauses a second after being hit, grimaces, touches his nose and then drops, when he's been actually ko'd.

I agree, Abraham shouldn't have hit him but from the post fight interview it was clear to me that Abraham seemed to believe that Dirrell might have actually had both feet planted on the floor. When asked about it in the interview he pointed out that he couldn't see, and i believe he was going to go on and say dirrell's feet were planted (the camera shot that Arthur was looking at didn't show Dirrell's feet). Unfortunately the idiot who was interviewing began speaking over him saying 'you couldn't see because there was blood in your eyes'.

Absolute joke. Even bigger joke how American TV went all along with it, and further dramatised it by having an interview with the Dr in Dirrell's changing room. Talking about his brain bleeding. From an arm punch that didn't land all that cleanly. Pathetic

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Well, you know what they say about opinions...

Anyway, how do you agree but then immediately start excusing the incident?

Im sure Abaraham must have found it pretty strange to have to aim so low to hit Dirrells head if Dirrell's feet were supposedly planted. (planted where? under the ring? ha)

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No i'm saying that imo he shouldn't have hit him, but that's only because i know he slipped and i have a better view of everything than Abraham does.

Watch the Showtime interview again. It's clear Abraham is referring to Dirrell's feet when he says 'i can't see'. This is important because it seeems that Abraham believed the soles of Dirrell's feet were on the canvas, meaning he was crouched down, and not actually on the ground.

Imo the referee should have been in there quicker.

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Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

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Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

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You're reaching, extremely to try to keep the belief that he was faking.

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Most people seem to think he was faking it. If you fall for that acting then youd fall for anything. That was poor.

a shiot...ok..forget the so called acting, forget the dq, AA was exposed. He has no skill, either offensively or defensively. He has no movement but coming forward. No head movement. This was bound to happen, the fact that he got spanked and was about to lose. This will happen again, he will get spanked. He is now exposed.

I'm surprised he didn't get stop by the cut. It was a nasty one. The doctor seemed like a Dirrell cutman, applying pressure and trying to stop the bleeding and all.

Considering it was probably a local Doc, I'm surprised it wasnt stopped then. Even though it was caused by a butt IMO.

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a shiot...ok..forget the so called acting, forget the dq, AA was exposed. He has no skill, either offensively or defensively. He has no movement but coming forward. No head movement. This was bound to happen, the fact that he got spanked and was about to lose. This will happen again, he will get spanked. He is now exposed.

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All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

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If he was out of it on his feet so to speak and had lost composure then started to get his sense back that is not uncommon to panic and not want people near you...Feelings on being boxed in and smothered are not uncommon....It is almost like Claustrophobia sets in.....

I used to work as a voluntary paramedic and have seen it for myself many times...Especially with people who have just had seizures and are starting to get their sense back....

If that was or was not the case I don't know but it is not unheard of