Abraham - Dirrell fight thread

[Truth]

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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I don't recall reading a direct accusation of faking now if we're talking about overexaggerating for all it's worth that's what Dirrell did. I've never seen such antics from somebody who was KO'd in my life. Think back to some of the latest brutal KO's in the sport and how they responded (Hatton and Taylor) spring to mind. Both took awhile to get up , were confused and disorientated and looked lost. Contrast that with Dirrell. Lies down as if he's dead then springs up then goes back to the corner and sits down like he's dying again then starts yelling and making noise "let me breathe let me breathe". Abraham did a cowardly thing but Dirrell milked it for all it was worth

[CFH]

I honestly can't believe how many stupid people there are on this forum. I'm a big fan of Abraham, but he deserved the DQ. I can't believe anyone thinks Dirrell was faking... Jesus fucking Christ.
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I don't recall reading a direct accusation of faking now if we're talking about overexaggerating for all it's worth that's what Dirrell did. I've never seen such antics from somebody who was KO'd in my life. Think back to some of the latest brutal KO's in the sport and how they responded (Hatton and Taylor) spring to mind. Both took awhile to get up , were confused and disorientated and looked lost. Contrast that with Dirrell. Lies down as if he's dead then springs up then goes back to the corner and sits down like he's dying again then starts yelling and making noise "let me breathe let me breathe". Abraham did a cowardly thing but Dirrell milked it for all it was worth

Whatever you say doctor. Dirrell didn't lie down like he was dead. He grabbed his head, slowly sank to the canvas, and started twitching. After he got back up, he was completely disoriented, borderline (or perhaps not borderline) delusional and had no idea what was going on.

[CFH]

Admittedly Wikipedia is not the best source for medical information, but this sounds right in line with what Dirrell did:

In one in about seventy concussions, concussive convulsions occur, but these are not actual post-traumatic seizures and are not predictive of post-traumatic epilepsy, which results from structural brain damage.[32] Concussive convulsions are thought to result from temporary loss of brain function rather than from structural damage and are usually associated with a good outcome.[33]

Cognitive symptoms include confusion, disorientation, and difficulty focusing attention. Loss of consciousness may occur but is not necessarily correlated with the severity of the concussion if it is brief.[15] Post-traumatic amnesia, in which the person cannot remember events leading up to the injury or after it, or both, is a hallmark of concussion.[18] Confusion, another concussion hallmark, may be present immediately or may develop over several minutes.[18] A patient may, for example, repeatedly ask the same questions,[34] be slow to respond to questions or directions, have a vacant stare, or have slurred[18] or incoherent speech.[35] Other MTBI symptoms include changes in sleeping patterns[11] and difficulty with reasoning,[31] concentrating, and performing everyday activities.[18]
Affective results of concussion include crankiness, loss of interest in favorite activities or items,[36] tearfulness,[5] and displays of emotion that are inappropriate to the situation.[35] Common symptoms in concussed children include restlessness, lethargy, and irritability.[37]

[Truth]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

[CFH]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

Read the post immediately above yours. There a a variety of medically-supported reactions to concussions and other head injuries. Just because Dirrell acted differently than other fighters does not mean he was not seriously hurt. In fact, I would (baselessly) speculate that it could possibly mean he was hurt even worse than the other fighters you mention were.

[Truth]

I agree with your points about confusion. I just cant EVER think of a situation where an athlete had energy like Dirrell did after a serious head injury.

[Truth]

I agree with you 100% CFH about people responding differently to head injuries. However it is my opinion that it was not a coincidence that Dirrell's beaviour was out of the norm. I believe the reason his behaviour was out of the norm was that he simply didn't wan any more of AA.

[Truth]

I also believe it'd be hard for this KO to be deemed more serious than the Taylor one as Jermain was posturing (hands held up/ legs straight after he'd been KO'd shows a disconnect between the body and the brain) as a result of the trauma

[CFH]

I agree with your points about confusion. I just cant EVER think of a situation where an athlete had energy like Dirrell did after a serious head injury.

I agree with you 100% CFH about people responding differently to head injuries. However it is my opinion that it was not a coincidence that Dirrell's beaviour was out of the norm. I believe the reason his behaviour was out of the norm was that he simply didn't wan any more of AA.

I disagree. He was beating Abraham handily and while Abraham was picking it up, Dirrell had already shown that he could take his best shots and keep coming.

As an anecdotal story about head injuries and energy etc., when I was about 10-12 I was playing baseball with some friends and slid head first into the cinderblock we were using for home plate because I misjudged the distance (ghetto, I know). I got up and felt fine aside from a mild headache and was full of energy for the rest of the game. As I was walking home about 10-15 minutes later, I basically collapsed from sudden nauseating head pain and dizziness and had to crawl home, which luckily was not far away. I called my mom and she rushed home and took me to a clinic where i was diagnosed with an amnesia-concussion (or something like that) because I could not remember anything after I hit my head until I collapsed on the way home. So the reactions to such injuries are not uniform and can be quite unpredictable in my experience at least.

[No Contest]

You can have energy after a knockout..you dont have to be lethargic....stupid asses. Abraham is a sore loser....calling Dirrell an actor, he knows he got outboxed. He would have gotten away with that shit in Germany probably.

[Majesty]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

People react to head injuries differently.

It was a hard uppercut that spun his head around and he was disoriented after the fight.

The fact some people are trying to state that Dirrell faked all of that simply to get out of going another round with Abraham or that he wanted no more of him need to really step back and see what they are doing. They are trying to give Abraham some sort of credit even though he lost.

There are certain lines you just should never cross because a fighter you like lost. Calling Dirrell an actor saying he was faking his disorientness and the whole scene after the fight where he was asking if the "speaker man" was there when it was Jim Gray, to say all that is faked just cause he didn't wanna fight Abraham is not only stupid, its incredibly biased. I can understand if you're an Abraham fan but there comes a point where you stop trying to give someone credit or an excuse and just admit they win. Dirrell could be seriously injured, now is not the time to be trying to give ups to your fighter who disgraced himself, and the sport with his post fight antics.

[Mad_Dog]

now that stupid, take it from someone who has blacked out after being kicked in the head. I got up lighting quick but I saw other peoples faces where they did not belong. He was not acting, he did not fear AA. AA acted like a punk afterwards.

[Majesty]

now that stupid, take it from someone who has blacked out after being kicked in the head. I got up lighting quick but I saw other peoples faces where they did not belong. He was not acting, he did not fear AA. AA acted like a punk afterwards.

This. it was a disgrace.

Boxing is back in the media eye and on a night a UFC PPV happened, and the night before Wrestlemania, and those not tuning in are watching this fight and tournament.and what does he do? Not only does he get disqualified.. but he shows no remorse after, he calls Dirrell a actor not a boxer.

Yeah he acted his way upside your head for 10 rounds. People are trying to say Dirrell had to cheat to win and pretend? News Flash! Whether you believe he acted or not(I do not think he did) Abraham was the one who wailed back and hit him while he was down, so to call Dirrell a cheater and ignore Abraham cause people try to big him up is just idiotic.

[gest12645]

It kinda looked like an acting game at the part of Dirrell at first, but looking at the replays and how he thought he actually lost the fight, I dont think he was acting all that much. Anyways Dirrell was dominating most of the time but then there was I couple of time he looked shaky. A rematch would be great but obviously won't happen. I'd still give AA a good shot at winning this if he was on top of his game.

btw, I just came back from the fight from JoeLA, wow, it was a good time, I met Tarver and my buddy took a picture of me and him. Well, he thought he took a picture but the drunk a** was shooting a video clip. Lol Anyways, it was a fun night out.

[DaxxKahn]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

If he was out of it on his feet so to speak and had lost composure then started to get his sense back that is not uncommon to panic and not want people near you...Feelings on being boxed in and smothered are not uncommon....It is almost like Claustrophobia sets in.....

I used to work as a voluntary paramedic and have seen it for myself many times...Especially with people who have just had seizures and are starting to get their sense back....

If that was or was not the case I don't know but it is not unheard of