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Originally Posted by Spicoli
honestly this ref is as bad as Cole, Cortez, and Nady combined
Quintana needs to take a knee.
I don't know if it's the commentary, but the Brits have it an exciting fight & I've got to say I felt that way watching it. Berto was poor the first 6 rounds, he seemed way too tense, but 7 & 8 he stepped it up, relaxed & did what he needed to.
Not fair bro Quintana fought a negative fight, constantly holding Berto's arm not allowing him to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Berto and used his desire and speed to win that fight. Quintana just couldn't keep up with pace of Berto.
Job done by Berto, I wasn't blown away by the performance really. Agreed with I think this is the best Berto we will see comments
great finish by berto.. but he really needs to improve if he wants to beat a guy like mosley..
Berto has all the talent, but he just doesn't seem to have it together mentally. If he'd just work on his deficiencies, he could become a great fighter, but the same problems seems to dog him in every fight.
Berto was doing most the holding, hell he'd run up to him and basically clamp on, c'mon seriously it's not the first time he pulls this shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBNot fair bro Quintana fought a negative fight, constantly holding Berto's arm not allowing him to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Well, decent enough win for Berto. But any of the top guys in the division will bust him up. He holds far too much and looks for breathers.
Merchant sounds like he's about to keel over and fall asleep in this post fight interview
Berto hurt is left bicept. He said that's why he went after Quintana to tget the fight over with,
Berto said "Pacquiao looks like he might be Free"
I think he was rusty, he has been out almost a year, and once he relaxed in the 7th round he took over. I still believe he's got some serious promise. How he finished Quintana was excellent, he was much more measured, but precise with what he did. If he'd started like that, he would have done the job. I think he was also way too hot-headed & determined to blow Quintana away at the start because of the Haiti thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
gonna laugh if Steward busts out with a "Cotto will fuck him up" lol
Clearly we see it diffrently.Its what I believe.Berto has always clinched and leaned in...seems his corner has recognized it as well.Watch his last 6 fights or so and tell me he does not clinch and hold.I think hes flawed and he is not improving on a scale or pace to hold his own with a Mosley or Mayweather.No where close I believe.Meet me back here when he is p4p top tier and beats guys of that ilk and I promise to eat my words,hook line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNot fair bro Quintana fought a negative fight, constantly holding Berto's arm not allowing him to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
He has all the talent to become a P4P star in the sport, he just needs to work on a few things like squaring up and loading up and winging his punches and he'll be fine. However, those have been glaring issues for so long now they seem to have become bad habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think he was rusty, he has been out almost a year, and once he relaxed in the 7th round he took over. I still believe he's got some serious promise. How he finished Quintana was excellent, he was much more measured, but precise with what he did. If he'd started like that, he would have done the job. I think he was also way too hot-headed & determined to blow Quintana away at the start because of the Haiti thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Why does Lampley keep saying May 1....it's May 1st yer dummy!
I dont like berto, I cant wait until he is KO'd
It is only a matter of time.....
I think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think they can be worked on too, but my point is that they've been clear issues for a long time now and they still haven't been corrected. IMO that's a big red flag for Berto going forward. He should avoid Cotto at this point, unless it becomes clear in the Foreman fight that he's really on the slide. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
its a good thing berto didnt fight mosley. he holds too much. he takes too many breathers and he complains too much. the "slip" on the first round was a real knock down. good thing quintana fought like ishh tonight.
did he say " i think manny pacquiao is free" or something like that?
listening to manny steward on his post fight commentary and looking at his face makes me think that deep inside hes saying something like "too bad he didnt wait for cotto to test that chin"
I think those things have been worked on, I mean he's a title holder he should have cleared it up by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I'd rather see him knock out Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
agreeing with you on this one. and whats with the complaining about him being hit behind the head constantly. it was like 30 seconds into round 1 and he b****ed 3 times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesBerto was doing most the holding, hell he'd run up to him and basically clamp on, c'mon seriously it's not the first time he pulls this shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBNot fair bro Quintana fought a negative fight, constantly holding Berto's arm not allowing him to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
As much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI'd rather see him knock out Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I honestly think he'd beat Cotto right now, I think Cotto isn't the same fighter pre-Margarito & subsequent fights with Clottey & Pacquiao have taken a lot out of him. But, then he's not part of the Bob Arum fraternity so he wouldn't get it. He should steer clear of the big 3 though. I think he will rematch Collazo if Collazo beats Aydin. Even an Aydin fight would be good, because Aydin can bang. If Shane loses to Mayweather, maybe a fight somewhere down the line wouldn't be a bad idea, although I reckon that PBF, Pac & possibly Shane will all be retired or about to by this time next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI think they can be worked on too, but my point is that they've been clear issues for a long time now and they still haven't been corrected. IMO that's a big red flag for Berto going forward. He should avoid Cotto at this point, unless it becomes clear in the Foreman fight that he's really on the slide. I'd like to see him rematch Collazo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think those things can be worked on. The coverage over here were really questioning whether his head was in the right place following what he saw in Haiti. He wouldn't be able to live with Floyd, Shane or Manny right now, but he should keep busy maybe fighting Cotto, he's part of the next gen of 147lbers with Mike Jones & Saul Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Berto is stylistically quite similar to Shane, so he could just watch the tactics & replicate the performance. I'd enjoy watching it though because I think Margarito is doneQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHAs much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI'd rather see him knock out Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Berto doesn't have the intelligence or the power of Mosley though. I think there's a good chance he would be overwhelmed by Margarito's pressure and end up being forced into a toe-to-toe fight instead of moving and countering like Mosley. WHo knows though, I really have no idea how that fight would play out. I'd really like to see it, though I'd much rather see Margarito banned for life.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinBerto is stylistically quite similar to Shane, so he could just watch the tactics & replicate the performance. I'd enjoy watching it though because I think Margarito is doneQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHAs much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I don't think Berto lasts till the final bell vs Cotto, Cotto busts him up inside and finishes him, If Cotto fought smart against Pacquiao he could've won, he was right in that fight till the second KD
Would be fun.For the sake of fans I hope Berto does well...but when I think Mosley and Berto mentallity alone...its boy and man...night and day executing plans in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinBerto is stylistically quite similar to Shane, so he could just watch the tactics & replicate the performance. I'd enjoy watching it though because I think Margarito is doneQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHAs much as I loathe Margarito, that would be a very interesting fight to watch. I doubt Berto would knock him out though, unless Mosley completely shattered Margarito's chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Berto isnt a hard core fighter like Cotto or Mosley......I dont like the complaining and the denial that he was floored by quintana....
yep... only 30 seconds into the fight he complained like 3 to 4 times already for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Rather see Berto fight Cintron next.
Yea, but he was borderline correct. He got hit behind the ear. Quintana was holding spinning Berto and punching him. The first knock down looked like a knock down in the replay. But watching it live, I thought Quintana pulled him more off balance when he went down. A foul is a foul and any should fighter have the right to complain if fouled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
I prefer the reaction what Muhammad Ali did, (I forget who he was fighting, maybe Leon Spinks) I vaguly remember him grabing his opponent and knocking on the back of his head repeatedly after getting hit one too many times with a rabbit punch.
I did a quick search it was Chuck Wepner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5hWWWFoO2Q
After seeing this fight I think Shane Mosley was right. He would've ruined Berto. I don't think Berto is going to be the next. He will have nothing for Pac, Mosley, or Mayweather. I just don't see Berto improving. Berto is rather easy to time and he never makes you guess. Fast hands but nothing else exceptional. I hope someone in his team tells him the truth. Leave the big 3 alone.
Man I called that fight exactly how it went.
Some of last night was ring rust, I'm sure. I like Berto. He might have fought a little stupid against Collazo, but he earned my respect in that fight. He's got great speed and his uppercut is a thing of beauty.
But...
Shane would spark him, no doubt. He can't control Mosley with his jab, and Mosley would catch him all night long when he jumps in, and he would make him pay with counters for those combinations. It would be a man against a boy.
I think he gets the Cotto/Foreman winner.
Berto was poor, no poise and composure, just loading up and little boxing skills.
I think he looked good, just lost his head and wanted to brawl. He fell into the trapps all night.
With some fine tuning he could be very good, but he without doubt needs to avoid top 3.