WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

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We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

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I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

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He's getting slaughtered with what?...

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I think he's trying to be a comedian.

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In the same way you were trying to be a retard for the last 10 pages?

No one is yet to bring a plausable arguement to the table why we shouldn't have random blood testing in the sport.

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At least I'm trying to be a retard whereas you're already an idiot since birth.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean.

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So you admit you have no argument? cool fine by me. Nice one retard.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

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I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

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He's getting slaughtered with what?...

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I think he's trying to be a comedian.

:lolololol:

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In the same way you were trying to be a retard for the last 10 pages?

No one is yet to bring a plausable arguement to the table why we shouldn't have random blood testing in the sport.

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I am not against random blood testing. If they are able to make that the regulation, then that's good for the sport. Until then, they have to abide with the existing regulation.

Manny already agreed to Floyd's drug test demand (although not the existing regulation) in the second negotiation. What more can you ask for?

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

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I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

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He's getting slaughtered with what?...

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I think he's trying to be a comedian.

:lolololol:

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In the same way you were trying to be a retard for the last 10 pages?

No one is yet to bring a plausable arguement to the table why we shouldn't have random blood testing in the sport.

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At least I'm trying to be a retard whereas you're already an idiot since birth.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean.

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So you admit you have no argument? cool fine by me. Nice one retard.

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Read my previous post.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean. How many times do I have to write this?

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

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I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

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He's getting slaughtered with what?...

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I think he's trying to be a comedian.

:lolololol:

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In the same way you were trying to be a retard for the last 10 pages?

No one is yet to bring a plausable arguement to the table why we shouldn't have random blood testing in the sport.

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At least I'm trying to be a retard whereas you're already an idiot since birth.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean.

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So you admit you have no argument? cool fine by me. Nice one retard.

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Read my previous post.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean. How many times do I have to write this?

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Cool so you agree with me we should have testing in the sport. Fine.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

We're going in circles. Let's give this thread a rest.

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I agree it's best you give it a rest because you're getting slaughtered with every new post.

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He's getting slaughtered with what?...

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I think he's trying to be a comedian.

:lolololol:

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In the same way you were trying to be a retard for the last 10 pages?

No one is yet to bring a plausable arguement to the table why we shouldn't have random blood testing in the sport.

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At least I'm trying to be a retard whereas you're already an idiot since birth.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean.

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So you admit you have no argument? cool fine by me. Nice one retard.

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Read my previous post.

I'm still waiting for you to post where I said that Pac is clean. How many times do I have to write this?

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Cool so you agree with me we should have testing in the sport. Fine.

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Finally, an agreement .......... a sign of the Apocalyse, maybe.

And they say that today is the end of the world.

Why you couldn't have agreed with that 8 pages ago is completely beyond me.

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Why you couldn't have agreed with that 8 pages ago is completely beyond me.

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I didn't agree with what?

The disgreement is not whether there should be a drug test but that it's Manny's fault that there isn't one.

In the first negotiation ....... yes.
If Floyd's intention was really to clean up the sport, then Manny gets all the blame. But with what happened in the second negotiation, it appeared that it was just an excuse by Floyd to avoid Manny in which case I still put half the blame with Manny in that first negotiation. He should have called Floyd's bluff.

In the second negotiation ........... no.

That's only if your talking about pac vs floyd. And the reasons why that fight didn't happen. I'm not talking about that so much.

Pac could have demanded drug testing in all/any of his fights since the first floyd negotiation.

It would have been sensible to do that for a number of reasons.....

It would have made it look without a shadow of a doubt that floyd was ducking him

It would have shown whatever floyd can do manny can do better

It would have proven him clean

It would have made him look like a pioneering hero of the sport

It would have pissed off all his detractors no end.


The list could honestly go on.

If I'd been in pacs shoes that's what I'd have done.

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That's only if your talking about pac vs floyd. And the reasons why that fight didn't happen. I'm not talking about that so much.

Pac could have demanded drug testing in all/any of his fights since the first floyd negotiation.

It would have been sensible to do that for a number of reasons.....

It would have made it look without a shadow of a doubt that floyd was ducking him

It would have shown whatever floyd can do manny can do better

It would have proven him clean

It would have made him look like a pioneering hero of the sport

It would have pissed off all his detractors no end.


The list could honestly go on.

If I'd been in pacs shoes that's what I'd have done.

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It would have been amazing and add to his status if he did ths.

But not doing it should not make his accomplishments any less. It isn't his obligation to do this. None of the boxers now or before him has done it so why put it on Manny's shoulders? If someone else does it in the future, then he gets that admiration. I don't even think Floyd's actual intention with those blood test demand is to clean up the sport but I'm still waiting for him to prove me wrong.

It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.

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It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.

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But if he has chosen not to and not elevate himself further, so be it.

It's not up to the boxer to clean up the sport. That's what the boxing commissions should be doing. You should be frustrated with them.

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

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i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

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If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

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if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

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manny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said no

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

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Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.

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i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

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If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

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if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

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manny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said no

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up to two weeks before isn't good enough, read the rest of the thread. And it's not about Mayweather. Again read the rest of the thread.

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

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It comes from the tax payers.

You shout shut up before you say more things laced with idiocy.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

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Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
If your statement that "If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies." isn't blaming them, then what is it?

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
Another statement of yours: "Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator." That's putting more responsibilities on Manny, and I didn't say "all".

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
And how do you think the boxers will be able to decide to change the sports? Go to a big boxer conference/meeting and come up with a solitary position on how to change the sport, then put it into action as a collective?.

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What you are insinuating is easier said than done.

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Originally Posted by erics44

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i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

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If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

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if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

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manny said he'd take the blood tests upto 2 weeks before the fight....plus tested after the fight but coward mayweather said no

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up to two weeks before isn't good enough, read the rest of the thread. And it's not about Mayweather. Again read the rest of the thread.

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Here you go with this again.

From your post #176 in this thread:

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I WILL NEVER SAY CATAGORICALLY THAT SOMEONE IS CLEAN IF THEY HAVENT PASSED RANDOM BLOOD TESTING.

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Give us some of the names of those who you think are categorically clean and what's your basis?

If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, would that have been satisfactory to you? And if Manny tested negative in those, would you have categorically said that Manny is clean?

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I haven't heard hornfinger's response to this but I would also like to hear the answers from mafiajoey and miles as well.

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Yep I would have been satisfifed that Manny was clean for that fight.

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Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation had a 2 weeks cut-off period. You wrote here that you will be satisfied with that. Now, it isn't good enough. You are contradicting yourself.

You have been caught several times with your foot in your mouth.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

And you guys believe if Manny said 2 weeks that this was on paper and Floyd refused? I want proof. These guys need to put this shit on paper.

But as far as testing If you go over to the "Off topic" I love how Marbleheadmaui has a different approach when it;s not Manny.... lol

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And you guys believe if Manny said 2 weeks that this was on paper and Floyd refused? I want proof. These guys need to put this shit on paper.

But as far as testing If you go over to the "Off topic" I love how Marbleheadmaui has a different approach when it;s not Manny.... lol

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If Manny agreed to test be it 1st, 2nd, or 50th negotiation...and we had proof he agreed. As in he signed his part of the contract....then I am satisfied. I'm not 100% convinced he is on anything. I never thought he was. I never, ever thought he was until he came with the worst excuse after excuse and he made himself look guilty by opening his mouth. He should just call Floyd out and send over "signed paperwork" and if Floyd bullshits then I say fuck Floyd for being a bitch. But above I referenced "signed paperwork" cause some people here actually think cause Manny, Roach or Bob say something that they mean it. Sure they will say Manny agreed or this or that while they are negotiation his next victim before fighting the one in front of him.

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If Manny agress to the drug test, the burden of proof shifts to the opposing boxer. How many times do I have to say this?
There can not be a "signed paperwork" if Floyd's team even denies that the second negotiation took place.

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It was the excuses that killed me. It was the B.S. Manny said....for the love of God if he agreed and took the test and fought Floyd regardless of outcome I would be happy.

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Both parties came up with excuses in the first negotiation. Some think that the blood test demand was Floyd's excuse to avoid the fight and Manny did not call in Floyd's bluff. When Manny agreed in the second negotiation, Floyd's refusal appear to give credibility to the suspicion that he was indeed avoiding Manny.

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I also think that after the first negotiation Pac and fans and everyone on his balls have done everything possible to "Claim" they agreed the second time. Proof? And now they just ride out the "Blame Floyd" roller coaster and Manny keeps avoiding the test. So that's why I have doubt. Not saying he is on something 100% but he just runs and even when he so called agrees.......it's only verified by him, Roach and Arum. They always say this shit. And they keep lining up fight after fight before fights are signed to avoid the test. But Pac fans don't want to believe it. Just like I would like to think Floyd isn't ducking Manny and I don't. But harsh reality is if Manny signs to test "I want Proof" then Floyd is a ducker and I will accept it. But the logic of a Pac fan is that they "worship" him so he could do no wrong. See us Flomos as you call us don't actually like Floyd so we are open to both sides of the story. Pac fans are not. He is god therefore he is clean.

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Manny Pacquiao Agrees To Blood Test | The Daily Tribute

Pacquiao Agrees to Drug Testing to Fight Mayweather | Testing It Up – Drug & Health Testing News – Test Country Blog

BBC Sport - Manny Pacquiao agrees to 14-day blood-testing limit

Pacquiao willing to take random dope test | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

Pacquiao agrees to the Olympic-style random drug test | onFuss.com

Manny Pacquiao agrees to undergo blood tests, but Floyd Mayweather has new... - Bloody Elbow

Report: Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s Drug-Testing Demands - Manny Pacquiao - NESN.com

Pacman Agrees to Drug Test

Boxing: Pacquiao agrees to blood tests for fight with Mayweather - Others, More Sports - The Independent

Yes, team Pacquiao claimed they agreed to the drug test. It's up to team Mayweather to prove that they're bluffing.

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There's more of those news out there. The reason why this fight can not be made appears to be either because Manny is a drug cheat or Floyd is a coward. The burden of proof is now with Floyd.

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

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Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
If your statement that "If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies." isn't blaming them, then what is it?

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
Another statement of yours: "Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator." That's putting more responsibilities on Manny, and I didn't say "all".

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
And how do you think the boxers will be able to decide to change the sports? Go to a big boxer conference/meeting and come up with a solitary position on how to change the sport, then put it into action as a collective?.

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What you are insinuating is easier said than done.

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

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So what? you pactards stick together. Why would that bother me. Just cuz theres more than opne of you doesn't make you any less stupid.

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

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It comes from the tax payers.

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This is tooo fucking easy. You uneducated retard.

It can only come from tax payers if the sport is producing taxable revenue. Which of course in the state of Nevada it does, because of all the gambling etc.

IF the major fights in the sport were to be taken from Vegas the state of Nevada would lose alot of revenue would it not?

So it's in the best interest to keep boxing in vegas. Implementing things like blood test could well scare certain fighters off. Infact I'm 100% sure it would. You're probably too much of a retard to see this though. For that I forgive you.

The fact that you don't seem to see that the sport is all about making money shows me what a dick you are. ;)

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

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It comes from the tax payers.

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This is tooo fucking easy. You uneducated retard.

It can only come from tax payers if the sport is producing taxable revenue. Which of course in the state of Nevada it does, because of all the gambling etc.

IF the major fights in the sport were to be taken from Vegas the state of Nevada would lose alot of revenue would it not?

So it's in the best interest to keep boxing in vegas. Implementing things like blood test could well scare certain fighters off. Infact I'm 100% sure it would. You're probably too much of a retard to see this though. For that I forgive you.

The fact that you don't seem to see that the sport is all about making money shows me what a dick you are. ;)

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Like I said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to STFU! but you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise STFU!.When you are old enough to take a class on how government works, I suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the Nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In General when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the NSAC.

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

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So what? you pactards stick together. Why would that bother me. Just cuz theres more than opne of you doesn't make you any less stupid.

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What happened, you ran out of reasons to support your contention? Now you retort to name calling. Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type ;) especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

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It comes from the tax payers.

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This is tooo fucking easy. You uneducated retard.

It can only come from tax payers if the sport is producing taxable revenue. Which of course in the state of Nevada it does, because of all the gambling etc.

IF the major fights in the sport were to be taken from Vegas the state of Nevada would lose alot of revenue would it not?

So it's in the best interest to keep boxing in vegas. Implementing things like blood test could well scare certain fighters off. Infact I'm 100% sure it would. You're probably too much of a retard to see this though. For that I forgive you.

The fact that you don't seem to see that the sport is all about making money shows me what a dick you are. ;)

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Like I said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to STFU! but you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise STFU!.When you are old enough to take a class on how government works, I suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the Nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In General when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the NSAC.

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You destroyed hornfinger's credibility. :owned:

Oh, wait ...... he didn't have any credibility in the first place.

Hornfinger :11fb8:

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I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

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See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

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So what? you pactards stick together. Why would that bother me. Just cuz theres more than opne of you doesn't make you any less stupid.

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What happened, you ran out of reasons to support your contention? Now you retort to name calling. Pathetic.

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Seeing as all of you pactards have been calling me all sorts of childish names for the last ten pages or so I thought fuck it may as well join in.

But it's simple. I'm not sucking on pacs nuts, so the pactards who cry about it stick together.

If you don't want to be a pactard, don't act like one.

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like i said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to stfu! But you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? Because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise stfu!.when you are old enough to take a class on how government works, i suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The nevada state athletic commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In general when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the nsac.

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ill repy like this because it's the only way that you retards seem to be able to read what i say.

i'm not desputing that nevada state athletic commission is government run and government funded.

i'm also not disputing that all taxes go into one state treasury

that tax money has to come from somewhere. Nevada get's alot of it's tax revenue from gambling, alcohol and all the other taxable things from the entertainment centered in las vegas.

it is in the best interest of the state of nevada to keep huge mega fights in las vegas because of the amount of revenue it brings in.

losing big mega fights in vegas means a loss of taxable revenue.

if you don't understand this please have your carer read it back to you and explain it to you.


also i'm sure the following thoughts have never entered your tiny minds.....

the out of contest testing the nsac did was not blood testing but urine testing, so was not good enough anyway.

the money was withdrawn by legislators. Ever thought for a second that it might be because they were losing out on some big taxable events because fighters were put off by the testing?

but anyway this is just side tracking...

my argument was that i believe it's down to the boxers to put preasure on the boxing commisison to change the sport, and demand things like blood testing if that is what they want, and i'm personally not sure it is because alot are steroid users. But if they wanted to do this they could easily boycott fighting in nevada, things would soon change. But i realise that we don't live in a perfect world and that is just in the realm of fantasy land.

what you have just provided is a document saying that the commision aren't even getting proper funding to do basic drug testing on athletes and are basically doing a half arsed job. That is what i have said from page one of this thread. Thanks for that.



i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

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ill repy like this because it's the only way that you retards seem to be able to read what i say.

i'm not desputing that nevada state athletic commission is government run and government funded.

i'm also not disputing that all taxes go into one state treasury

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that tax money has to come from somewhere. Nevada get's alot of it's tax revenue from gambling, alcohol and all the other taxable things from the entertainment centered in las vegas.

it is in the best interest of the state of nevada to keep huge mega fights in las vegas because of the amount of revenue it brings in.

losing big mega fights in vegas means a loss of taxable revenue.

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if you don't understand this please have your carer read it back to you and explain it to you.

also i'm sure the following thoughts have never entered your tiny minds.....

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the money was withdrawn by legislators. Ever thought for a second that it might be because they were losing out on some big taxable events because fighters were put off by the testing?

but anyway this is just side tracking...

my argument was that i believe it's down to the boxers to put preasure on the boxing commisison to change the sport, and demand things like blood testing if that is what they want, and i'm personally not sure it is because alot are steroid users. But if they wanted to do this they could easily boycott fighting in nevada, things would soon change. But i realise that we don't live in a perfect world and that is just in the realm of fantasy land.

what you have just provided is a document saying that the commision aren't even getting proper funding to do basic drug testing on athletes and are basically doing a half arsed job. That is what i have said from page one of this thread. Thanks for that.

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

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nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes

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(thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

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In the first quote, I identified above, you go on about big fights generating tax money and a conflict of interest that the NSAC has managing the regulations of the sport. I have already explained to you the basics of how of the rules are made so that there is no motivation for corruption. If you think there is a conflict interest with the way NSAC manages the sport and implements policy, identify the "specific conflict". If you can do that with facts to backup your statement, I would most likely have to agree with you. But making general corruption statements without identifying any motivation says absolutely nothing is easily dismissed as unwarranted governmental conspiracy theory rhetoric.

In the second quote, You make a bold statement that the testing the NSAC does is not good enough. Provide specific facts that identify the poor qualify of the testing related to good quality testing and how they are going to address the testing procedure deficiencies. Your facts should identify the type of banded substances they fail to identify and why what they do is such poor quality. Your facts should also identify the a good quality method of testing that the NASC should follow in order to correct it's deficiencies.

Now with your expert advise I'm sure we can get GBP, Top Rank and other big promoters conducting events to put up the $9K-$15K budget short fall the commission needs to implement a good quality PED testing program.

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com


Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....


Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.


Consider yourself owned.

Call me naive but I think they are all clean unless proved otherwise.