BOXNATION - Bradley vs Pacquiao II - Saturday fight night thread.

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5-4 Pac. The sad thing is that I don't think Manny has shown anything special and Bradley has given rounds away with sloppiness. 9 minutes to go.

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Totally agree. Manny may be running away with this but man has he slipped. No where near the fighter he was.

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I think Pac may have edged this, but he didn't look very good. I think Bradley gave that away rather than Manny displaying anything special.

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Not on the scale that Manny gave it away the first go. Come on. Manny earned this one back, and beat Tim up late and did well for a guy left on his face previous. He took it.

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Pac took it, but it was held out on a platter. No elite fighter poses on the ropes with his hands down against Pacquiao and Bradley gave away 2 rounds doing that. I don't understand why you would do that.

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Yea that was strange. Bradley thought he could just come in an ko manny with a pillow

3rd fight? Shut the fuck up Jim

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Originally Posted by chris6878

Even tho manny didnt look great, this fight was still more exciting than what mayweather will do to maidana.

Pac should just say fug it and retire. Nothing else to prove.

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Chris, i think that mayweathers fights are better to watch skillwise.

I agree pac should retire but theres millions he can make with the rotation of top rank fighters.

Phillipino people. Who is the fucker with the Oakley style yellow glasses behind Manny when Larry Merchant is interviewing him? Some politician probably.

i think deep down, after trying a couple of rounds to hurt pac tim gave up and focused on looking good instead

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

3rd fight? Shut the fuck up Jim

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Phillipino people. Who is the fucker with the Oakley style yellow glasses behind Manny when Larry Merchant is interviewing him? Some politician probably.

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i believe that is chavit singson governor from the north of philippines. that guy is like a mobster

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Originally Posted by chris6878

Even tho manny didnt look great, this fight was still more exciting than what mayweather will do to maidana.

Pac should just say fug it and retire. Nothing else to prove.

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Chris, i think that mayweathers fights are better to watch skillwise.

I agree pac should retire but theres millions he can make with the rotation of top rank fighters.

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Skill wise yes, pure excitment no. It floyd would go for the kill, plus display the skills it would make his fights awesome.

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5-4 Pac. The sad thing is that I don't think Manny has shown anything special and Bradley has given rounds away with sloppiness. 9 minutes to go.

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Totally agree. Manny may be running away with this but man has he slipped. No where near the fighter he was.

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I think Pac may have edged this, but he didn't look very good. I think Bradley gave that away rather than Manny displaying anything special.

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Not on the scale that Manny gave it away the first go. Come on. Manny earned this one back, and beat Tim up late and did well for a guy left on his face previous. He took it.

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Pac took it, but it was held out on a platter. No elite fighter poses on the ropes with his hands down against Pacquiao and Bradley gave away 2 rounds doing that. I don't understand why you would do that.

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Stamina. Tim looked terribly sluggish from his last few starts and from a early point. Just like Provo..its not a guys choice..its more cause and effect and you needing to adapt. He was put there!

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Originally Posted by chris6878

Even tho manny didnt look great, this fight was still more exciting than what mayweather will do to maidana.

Pac should just say fug it and retire. Nothing else to prove.

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Chris, i think that mayweathers fights are better to watch skillwise.

I agree pac should retire but theres millions he can make with the rotation of top rank fighters.

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Skill wise yes, pure excitment no. It floyd would go for the kill, plus display the skills it would make his fights awesome.

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Depends on how you view excitement but we know hes a safety first fighter.

Either way, manny still has good speed and pressed the fight when he wanted to against a young prime tim bradley and whether he looked good or not doesnt matter as he got the job done on my scorecard.

Shame we will all be robbed of the fights we want to see but pac has 3-4 fights left.

Bradley always had great stamina and would throw 800 punches a fight and sometimes 100 punches a round. It was one of his great qualities. I don't understand why you would come out winging wide punches with most of them missing and hope one strikes lucky. That isn't how top fighters operate and for sure his stamina was definitely off. Bradley pretty much admitted that the gameplan was to land a wide punch, but why would you do that when you know the other man is faster and will land more down the pipe. That makes it a lottery rather than a measured strategy.

Like I say, Manny deserved the win, but Bradley has been a better boxer than this and supposedly the Provodnokov fight was a wake up call in that regard but it seemingly wasn't. He should have been up 4-2 and boxed his way to a win, but completely untangled after giving away round 6.

I think this fight told us that provo punched bradley stupid

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5-4 Pac. The sad thing is that I don't think Manny has shown anything special and Bradley has given rounds away with sloppiness. 9 minutes to go.

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Totally agree. Manny may be running away with this but man has he slipped. No where near the fighter he was.

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I think Pac may have edged this, but he didn't look very good. I think Bradley gave that away rather than Manny displaying anything special.

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Not on the scale that Manny gave it away the first go. Come on. Manny earned this one back, and beat Tim up late and did well for a guy left on his face previous. He took it.

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He did well friend but Tim lost the plot half way through round 6 and never found the page. Manny did well to capitalize but he has noticeably lost a heap of steps. Congrats to him though.

I was really disappointed in Tim's strategy. I knew he was going to be more physical and try to look for the knockout, but I never imagined he'd reduce himself a "looking for one big punch" guy. I think he gassed himself early and Pac took over.

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5-4 Pac. The sad thing is that I don't think Manny has shown anything special and Bradley has given rounds away with sloppiness. 9 minutes to go.

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Totally agree. Manny may be running away with this but man has he slipped. No where near the fighter he was.

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I think Pac may have edged this, but he didn't look very good. I think Bradley gave that away rather than Manny displaying anything special.

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Not on the scale that Manny gave it away the first go. Come on. Manny earned this one back, and beat Tim up late and did well for a guy left on his face previous. He took it.

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He did well friend but Tim lost the plot half way through round 6 and never found the page. Manny did well to capitalize but he has noticeably lost a heap of steps. Congrats to him though.

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He def has slipped a notch. But it gives perspective seeing Manny slip in game and pulverized only to come back and top the guy who was said to be hitting his peak? I don't think Tim had a plot after the 6th before he even took the ring and I'm not convinced it would have mattered at all.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Phillipino people. Who is the fucker with the Oakley style yellow glasses behind Manny when Larry Merchant is interviewing him? Some politician probably.

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i believe that is chavit singson governor from the north of philippines. that guy is like a mobster

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Manny was better off when he was a degenerate gambler.

If all else fails Little Timmy still had a puncher's chance. Rode the strategy from the sixth... better safe and pussified than knocked out.

Well, that's that.


Good night, gentlemen...

I just watched the fight there, thought it was very close fight 7-5 to pacman but that judge 118-110 that's seriously bad judging.

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Originally Posted by g3org3

I just watched the fight there, thought it was very close fight 7-5 to pacman but that judge 118-110 that's seriously bad judging.

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Yeah 118-110 is absurd. Tim didn't do himself any favors by bear hugging. That shit will kill your score

I had it even up to the end of 6, for some bizarre reason after that Bradley wanted to showboat and become he-man? Pacquiao is a shadow of his former self, he won this fight comfortably, but his pop has gone, his movement is more predictable and he fought an opponent with a dubious strategy. Bradley did land some solid shots, but he fought a strange fight. Pacquiao's next knockout might be his own. He has next to no chance of beating Floyd.

Timothy Bradley had a strategy to outbox Pacquiao until his brain was smashed by a left straight and the subsequent violent concussion threw his completed puzzle of thoughts against the wall for the remainder of the bout. Amir Mansour and other fighters put it best; you walk in with a game plan and then you get hit. This is the sport of boxing where the human brain is the seat of destruction; I think its unrealistic to expect a boxer to hold on to an intelligent game plan throughout a boxing match. Unless you're looking at Floyd Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I had it even up to the end of 6, for some bizarre reason after that Bradley wanted to showboat and become he-man? Pacquiao is a shadow of his former self, he won this fight comfortably, but his pop has gone, his movement is more predictable and he fought an opponent with a dubious strategy. Bradley did land some solid shots, but he fought a strange fight. Pacquiao's next knockout might be his own. He has next to no chance of beating Floyd.

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I think Bradley was telling the truth about an injury to his leg, this makes Manny's win even less credible. Any thoughts?

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I had it even up to the end of 6, for some bizarre reason after that Bradley wanted to showboat and become he-man? Pacquiao is a shadow of his former self, he won this fight comfortably, but his pop has gone, his movement is more predictable and he fought an opponent with a dubious strategy. Bradley did land some solid shots, but he fought a strange fight. Pacquiao's next knockout might be his own. He has next to no chance of beating Floyd.

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I think Bradley was telling the truth about an injury to his leg, this makes Manny's win even less credible. Any thoughts?

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Yes, my thoughts are no it does not make his victory any less credible. Manny had to win even if Bradley broke both his ankles. :)

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I had it even up to the end of 6, for some bizarre reason after that Bradley wanted to showboat and become he-man? Pacquiao is a shadow of his former self, he won this fight comfortably, but his pop has gone, his movement is more predictable and he fought an opponent with a dubious strategy. Bradley did land some solid shots, but he fought a strange fight. Pacquiao's next knockout might be his own. He has next to no chance of beating Floyd.

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I think Bradley was telling the truth about an injury to his leg, this makes Manny's win even less credible. Any thoughts?

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I agree that Bradley is probably telling the truth. He became very flat footed after the 4th round probably from a combination of the injury and Pacquiao ringing his bell a few times. I think he was clowning to buy time. I respect Bradley for not using the injury as an excuse though (not like he could as that was his excuse after the first fight). Either way I felt they both looked pretty bad this fight. They seemed gassed half way through the fight and there were long stretches were they were both inactive. Pacquiao rarely bounced on his feet as he used to and the work rate/speed just isn't what it used to be (and therefore much of his explosive power). The two versions of these fighters would lose easily to Mayweather. Pacquiao is too susceptible to counter rights (Bradley landed a few) which is Mayweather's bread and butter and Bradley would even lose an inside fight to Mayweather (which is where he had some success against Pacquiao and Alexander for example). I would still like to see both of them fight Mayweather. It's just too bad we likely won't see them at their best.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

I think Bradley was telling the truth about an injury to his leg, this makes Manny's win even less credible. Any thoughts?

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There was an exchange between Tim and one of his cornermen that lends credence to his injury claim. TB apparently says "but it hurts" in response to a question. His cornerman repeats: "it hurts?! Do you want to fucking quit?"

I'm paraphrasing from memory. I forgot exactly when it occurred, but it was during the middle of the fight, ie as the tide shifted. I was very surprised that the announcers did not mention let alone dwell on this conversation.

He had a 2 stumble-round...i forget which. So maybe that is when the foot injury occurred. Also, same thing happened in first fight. TB was twisting and turning well in order to avoid Pac's power. But one could also say that Pac's power forced TB to twist and turn in a manner that was dangerous.

So Pac actually punched Tim's foot out...in a manner of speaking.

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Originally Posted by Manju

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

I think Bradley was telling the truth about an injury to his leg, this makes Manny's win even less credible. Any thoughts?

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There was an exchange between Tim and one of his cornermen that lends credence to his injury claim. TB apparently says "but it hurts" in response to a question. His cornerman repeats: "it hurts?! Do you want to fucking quit?"

I'm paraphrasing from memory. I forgot exactly when it occurred, but it was during the middle of the fight, ie as the tide shifted. I was very surprised that the announcers did not mention let alone dwell on this conversation.

He had a 2 stumble-round...i forget which. So maybe that is when the foot injury occurred. Also, same thing happened in first fight. TB was twisting and turning well in order to avoid Pac's power. But one could also say that Pac's power forced TB to twist and turn in a manner that was dangerous.

So Pac actually punched Tim's foot out...in a manner of speaking.

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I remember that, Tim was telling his Joel his trainer that he is hurting. Joel ask did he want to go home cause they can go fucking home if he wanted. I think thats when Tim was saying he hurt his leg again.

funny how in over 30 pro fights he always hurts his lower extremity fighting Manny.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

funny how in over 30 pro fights he always hurts his lower extremity fighting Manny.

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I think he was legitimately hurt and it effected him because the second half of the fight he was desperate and goading Pac Man as he had nothing else to offer.

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This fight is more competitive than the first one, both guys made this fight very interesting.

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Originally Posted by websketchers

This fight is more competitive than the first one, both guys made this fight very interesting.

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Bradley did not fight much in the second half.

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This fight is more competitive than the first one, both guys made this fight very interesting.

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Bradley did not fight much in the second half.

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Maybe because of the calf muscle injury that he is saying after the fight. :o
But over all it is better fight than the first one. :)