Just realized on replay that Kovalev has Russian ammunition manufactures as sponsors.
No irony there :-X
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Just realized on replay that Kovalev has Russian ammunition manufactures as sponsors.
No irony there :-X
I could see Kov walk into the ring with a Kalashnikov. He is serious bad ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
THANKS!!! FREEDOM!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Great commentary by everyone on this thread. As I watch this I can only confirm: How bad is that old man Krusher fought last to not have suffered what Pascal did?!
Thanks again for the fight, Free!
Gotta' go with those who said it was a bad stoppage.
Pascal to his credit, doesn't have/use a jab, doesn't throw or cant throw in combinations (are his arms to muscular?)
Too dependent on landing a big shot. As for Krusher- I liked how he started with the jab to the body, but he didn't keep it up. Great timing, knows how to tie up, when to fight, great chin.
Kov has got my vote: He's a great fighter in the making.
I agree. When this happened Live, I didn't catch it and wondered what Kovalev and smiling and pointing at. It was only after they replayed that last minute that I caught Pascal pulling a judah and go for a stroll when someone tilted the room on him. If the ropes weren't there to stop him, he probably would face planted somewhere in the second row. He should have just manned up. Pabon was probably the only thing that kept Pascal's daughter from watching her dad being taken out on a stretcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:
Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.
Perfect stoppage.
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Originally Posted by J_UndisputedI agree. When this happened Live, I didn't catch it and wondered what Kovalev and smiling and pointing at. It was only after they replayed that last minute that I caught Pascal pulling a judah and go for a stroll when someone tilted the room on him. If the ropes werent there to stop him, he probably would face planted somewhere in the second row.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:
Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.
Perfect stoppage.
Exactly! It was totally evident when seeing it a 2nd time.
Matter of fact, Pabon was a bit generous in giving Kovalev two free shots before stepping in quickly and decisively.
Kudos for a job well done.
Pascal was totally out on his feet. It is a good stoppage, no matter how much Pascal's ego is hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedI agree. When this happened Live, I didn't catch it and wondered what Kovalev and smiling and pointing at. It was only after they replayed that last minute that I caught Pascal pulling a judah and go for a stroll when someone tilted the room on him. If the ropes werent there to stop him, he probably would face planted somewhere in the second row.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:
Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.
Perfect stoppage.
Exactly! It was totally evident when seeing it a 2nd time.
Matter of fact, Pabon was a bit generous in giving Kovalev two free shots before stepping in quickly and decisively.
Kudos for a job well done.
No, I've watched the replay several times now and I still feel the same. Two punches shouldn't decide it. Let Kovalev put him down and then wave it off, this is pugilism and it is supposed to be tough. Pascal would have his loss no questions asked and Kov has another legit stoppage on the record and also no need for any talk of a rematch. People seldom get seriously hurt in boxing and Pascal showed he was tough enough to take a punch plenty of times in the fight. It's how I am, I like a conclusion.
Another fighter spending several pointless extra rounds out in his feet and becoming another magomed abdusalamov isn't worth slightly more 'conclusiveness'...
Fight fans will never get it into perspective, will they?...
That's the thing though. When you sign up to do something safe like sitting behind a desk, you chose that with the safety also in mind. When you sign up for the army, you do it knowing there is a chance you will lose a limb. Likewise, when you fight for a boxing title, you fully know the risks going into that. Pascal knew the risks and straight away was at the referee for stopping it. His body was wilting, but his mind was there. On that basis you let the man who signed the contract do the job he wants to do. He could quit at any moment if he really wanted to, but some people are so dedicated to their craft that they will see it through to the end. Pascal earned my respect in that fight because he proved his heart and wanted to see it through.
Perhaps that's something to do with the 'bad' stoppages people complain about? The last fighter given an extra round after being knocked down and put out on his feet by Kovalev tragically slipped into a coma and later died, so let's not pretend it's rare enough that the risks in not quite sating a crowd's bloodlust are at all worth the potential outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You honestly think somebody in the ring is in the frame of mind to have the foresight to stop? That's why referees and seconds are there to PROTECT these humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You think magomed abdusalamov wouldn't stop a few rounds earlier if he could go back and do so?
Fighters seldom end up in coma though and statistically how likely is it that Kovalev is going to become the new Ivan Drago? Top level fighters typically come with a chin and Pascal is clearly one of those. Other top fighters that cannot take it will quit like Cleverly. Let the fighter decide what he can and cannot do or at the least let the corner decide. They know their fighter inside out. The referee wasn't consistent in this regard. Pascal was out on his feet in the 3rd or 4th and yet was deemed okay.....and he did comeback superbly. Yet now he was deemed totally beyond repair? Why not the same benefit of the doubt? It isn't about blood lust, it is about wanting to see a warrior given the chance. As soon as he goes down, then stop it straight away. It is very unlikely that he is heading straight into a coma. In the rare event that happens, it typically happens because a fighter is drained or what have you and that is a different issue. Pascal was in shape and has a great chin. He would have taken his loss and there would have been no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBPerhaps that's something to do with the 'bad' stoppages people complain about? The last fighter given an extra round after being knocked down and put out on his feet by Kovalev tragically slipped into a coma and later died, so let's not pretend it's rare enough that the risks in not quite sating a crowd's bloodlust are at all worth the potential outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Early stoppage. Yes he was hurt, but early stoppage.
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i think it was a good stoppageQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
this is besides the point because it is the job of numerous people around the ring to keep the fighters safe but Kovalev is a complete animal and doesnt seem to really care for his opponents health
Fighters with chins and heart are the ones that take too much punishment Miles. Magomed didn't go down and obviously wasn't weight drained.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFighters seldom end up in coma though and statistically how likely is it that Kovalev is going to become the new Ivan Drago? Top level fighters typically come with a chin and Pascal is clearly one of those. Other top fighters that cannot take it will quit like Cleverly. Let the fighter decide what he can and cannot do or at the least let the corner decide. They know their fighter inside out. The referee wasn't consistent in this regard. Pascal was out on his feet in the 3rd or 4th and yet was deemed okay.....and he did comeback superbly. Yet now he was deemed totally beyond repair? Why not the same benefit of the doubt? It isn't about blood lust, it is about wanting to see a warrior given the chance. As soon as he goes down, then stop it straight away. It is very unlikely that he is heading straight into a coma. In the rare event that happens, it typically happens because a fighter is drained or what have you and that is a different issue. Pascal was in shape and has a great chin. He would have taken his loss and there would have been no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBPerhaps that's something to do with the 'bad' stoppages people complain about? The last fighter given an extra round after being knocked down and put out on his feet by Kovalev tragically slipped into a coma and later died, so let's not pretend it's rare enough that the risks in not quite sating a crowd's bloodlust are at all worth the potential outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
This 'rarity' happened again this morning, no knockdowns occurred Featherweight Boxer Braydon Smith Dies at Age 23 | Bleacher Report stop being a moron.
This is not a fucking game, the protection of a fighter should always be priority number one if there is ANY doubt.
Good stoppage. You cant 'have a wander' across the ring on rubber legs then complain that you're stopped after the next clean punch to the head.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...pspa4hzuy7.gif
That gif says it all and I must say that was a classy move by Kov to point ay Pascal essentially pleading for them to stop it. Then the way he threw one heavy shot and then stepped back. Total class by a guy that I thought was short on it. Pascal was 3/4 ko'd when he tried to walk it off.
I thought it was a good stoppage and why there are any talks of a rematch are beyond me. Pascal won two rounds, and even they were close. All he did was wildly swing in phases. Pascal knows he would get owned in a rematch too.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
I guess I could use the same word as Brock (early) For me it was looking at Pascal @ the stoppage. When a fighter can question the ref, doesn't wobble around, then it tells me he had his faculties.
It's not in my book of all time bad stoppages, but gotta wonder fellaz...if that had been Steve Smoger, do we think he would have stopped it like that? Aren't those moments what a standing 8 can come into play?
No complaints from me, not a bad stoppage, but premature; probably.
I find it fascinating how the brain works in these situations. A fighter can get chinned, be out of it, and then in a split second land a punch that hurts the other bloke and in an instant shake off those effects of being chinned and go on the attack.
There's no rhyme or reason to it, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it's amazing.
Chris Eubank used to a do a great speech called the killing time, all about the moment when the fight is won and lost. It doesn't seem to matter who created that moment, it's all about who recognises it's presence.
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I guess I could use the same word as Brock (early) For me it was looking at Pascal @ the stoppage. When a fighter can question the ref, doesn't wobble around, then it tells me he had his faculties.
It's not in my book of all time bad stoppages, but gotta wonder fellaz...if that had been Steve Smoger, do we think he would have stopped it like that? Aren't those moments what a standing 8 can come into play?
No complaints from me, not a bad stoppage, but premature; probably.
Well at least you and Brock said "early", not "horrible" like VD, which is par for the course as far as he's concerned.
Slim, did you not see Pascal stumbling from one corner to the other like a drunkard while Kovalev was getting up from his trip and fall?
I hate to disagree with you, buddy... but more often than not, even boxers who have definitely had enough complain about the stoppage to the referee. It's a natural reaction. There's a lot of pride involved, remember. Look at the recent ring deaths, in particular the 23-year old Australian fighter who just died. Like I said in a previous post, we as fans watching an exciting, riveting fight... will always want to see it continue. So when the stoppage comes there is naturally a certain degree of disappointment. But IMO, we can't let that disappointment color our judgment on whether a stoppage is premature or not.