Sergey Kovalev - Jean Pascal this weekend

[TitoFan]

I'd say closer to 15%. I want to see a man stopped and if he isn't going down then it is because he isn't ready to go down. Pascal was the same as that in the 3rd or 4th and he weathered it like a warrior. You have to give the benefit of the doubt to a man that doesn't know what it means to be stopped. Boxing would be lame if you stopped it every time someone got hurt.

I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:

Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.

Perfect stoppage.

[Spicoli]

Just realized on replay that Kovalev has Russian ammunition manufactures as sponsors.

No irony there

[Master]

Just realized on replay that Kovalev has Russian ammunition manufactures as sponsors.

No irony there

I could see Kov walk into the ring with a Kalashnikov. He is serious bad ass.

[J_Undisputed]

I'd say closer to 15%. I want to see a man stopped and if he isn't going down then it is because he isn't ready to go down. Pascal was the same as that in the 3rd or 4th and he weathered it like a warrior. You have to give the benefit of the doubt to a man that doesn't know what it means to be stopped. Boxing would be lame if you stopped it every time someone got hurt.

I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:

Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.

Perfect stoppage.

I agree. When this happened Live, I didn't catch it and wondered what Kovalev and smiling and pointing at. It was only after they replayed that last minute that I caught Pascal pulling a judah and go for a stroll when someone tilted the room on him. If the ropes weren't there to stop him, he probably would face planted somewhere in the second row. He should have just manned up. Pabon was probably the only thing that kept Pascal's daughter from watching her dad being taken out on a stretcher.

[TitoFan]

I'd say closer to 15%. I want to see a man stopped and if he isn't going down then it is because he isn't ready to go down. Pascal was the same as that in the 3rd or 4th and he weathered it like a warrior. You have to give the benefit of the doubt to a man that doesn't know what it means to be stopped. Boxing would be lame if you stopped it every time someone got hurt.

I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:

Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.

Perfect stoppage.

I agree. When this happened Live, I didn't catch it and wondered what Kovalev and smiling and pointing at. It was only after they replayed that last minute that I caught Pascal pulling a judah and go for a stroll when someone tilted the room on him. If the ropes werent there to stop him, he probably would face planted somewhere in the second row.

Exactly! It was totally evident when seeing it a 2nd time.
Matter of fact, Pabon was a bit generous in giving Kovalev two free shots before stepping in quickly and decisively.
Kudos for a job well done.

[Nameless]

I'd say closer to 15%. I want to see a man stopped and if he isn't going down then it is because he isn't ready to go down. Pascal was the same as that in the 3rd or 4th and he weathered it like a warrior. You have to give the benefit of the doubt to a man that doesn't know what it means to be stopped. Boxing would be lame if you stopped it every time someone got hurt.

I just watched the fight again... and I'm sorry but you're wrong. Only you and VD (no surprise there) thought the stoppage was bad. Consider this:

Other refs would've stopped it at the end of the 3rd or the beginning of the 4th.
Pascal's knees were buckled by a jab at the end of the previous round. He never looked recovered.
Just before Kovalev fell, he was strafing Pascal along the ropes, where only the ropes kept Pascal on his feet.
As Pabon turned his attention to Kovalev getting back up and rightfully calling the fall a non-knockdown, Pascal was drunkenly stumbling out of camera view across the ring and toward the other corner. Pretty much done and out on his feet.
Pascal proceeded to take two more thunderous shots from Kovalev before Pabon rightly stepped in.

Perfect stoppage.

I agree. When this happened Live, I didn't catch it and wondered what Kovalev and smiling and pointing at. It was only after they replayed that last minute that I caught Pascal pulling a judah and go for a stroll when someone tilted the room on him. If the ropes werent there to stop him, he probably would face planted somewhere in the second row.

Exactly! It was totally evident when seeing it a 2nd time.
Matter of fact, Pabon was a bit generous in giving Kovalev two free shots before stepping in quickly and decisively.
Kudos for a job well done.

Pascal was totally out on his feet. It is a good stoppage, no matter how much Pascal's ego is hurt.

[Gandalf]

No, I've watched the replay several times now and I still feel the same. Two punches shouldn't decide it. Let Kovalev put him down and then wave it off, this is pugilism and it is supposed to be tough. Pascal would have his loss no questions asked and Kov has another legit stoppage on the record and also no need for any talk of a rematch. People seldom get seriously hurt in boxing and Pascal showed he was tough enough to take a punch plenty of times in the fight. It's how I am, I like a conclusion.

[AdamGB]

Another fighter spending several pointless extra rounds out in his feet and becoming another magomed abdusalamov isn't worth slightly more 'conclusiveness'...

Fight fans will never get it into perspective, will they?...

[Gandalf]

That's the thing though. When you sign up to do something safe like sitting behind a desk, you chose that with the safety also in mind. When you sign up for the army, you do it knowing there is a chance you will lose a limb. Likewise, when you fight for a boxing title, you fully know the risks going into that. Pascal knew the risks and straight away was at the referee for stopping it. His body was wilting, but his mind was there. On that basis you let the man who signed the contract do the job he wants to do. He could quit at any moment if he really wanted to, but some people are so dedicated to their craft that they will see it through to the end. Pascal earned my respect in that fight because he proved his heart and wanted to see it through.

[brocktonblockbust]

Early stoppage. Yes he was hurt, but early stoppage.

[AdamGB]

People seldom get seriously hurt in boxing

Perhaps that's something to do with the 'bad' stoppages people complain about? The last fighter given an extra round after being knocked down and put out on his feet by Kovalev tragically slipped into a coma and later died, so let's not pretend it's rare enough that the risks in not quite sating a crowd's bloodlust are at all worth the potential outcome.

[Gandalf]

People seldom get seriously hurt in boxing

Perhaps that's something to do with the 'bad' stoppages people complain about? The last fighter given an extra round after being knocked down and put out on his feet by Kovalev tragically slipped into a coma and later died, so let's not pretend it's rare enough that the risks in not quite sating a crowd's bloodlust are at all worth the potential outcome.

Fighters seldom end up in coma though and statistically how likely is it that Kovalev is going to become the new Ivan Drago? Top level fighters typically come with a chin and Pascal is clearly one of those. Other top fighters that cannot take it will quit like Cleverly. Let the fighter decide what he can and cannot do or at the least let the corner decide. They know their fighter inside out. The referee wasn't consistent in this regard. Pascal was out on his feet in the 3rd or 4th and yet was deemed okay.....and he did comeback superbly. Yet now he was deemed totally beyond repair? Why not the same benefit of the doubt? It isn't about blood lust, it is about wanting to see a warrior given the chance. As soon as he goes down, then stop it straight away. It is very unlikely that he is heading straight into a coma. In the rare event that happens, it typically happens because a fighter is drained or what have you and that is a different issue. Pascal was in shape and has a great chin. He would have taken his loss and there would have been no excuses.