I have no clue where you get the gall to come at me with that crap sir. I have not cried in my Guinness since the last time miles left the forumQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Printable View
I have no clue where you get the gall to come at me with that crap sir. I have not cried in my Guinness since the last time miles left the forumQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Anyone pay close attention here? Are we about fifty fifty or leaning more towards one in this large thread.
What does any of that even mean? We have seen part time boxers here in the UK demolish Mexicans who are nowhere near the level of incredibly accomplished amateurs like Golovkin. Canelo might be better than his detractors admit but he is not a better boxer and better fighter than Golovkin. The fight itself should answer those questions at least. The 'better man' thing is just stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I guess gamo likes Mexican fighters. He is mistaken about this fight but seems like a nice guyQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat does any of that even mean? We have seen part time boxers here in the UK demolish Mexicans who are nowhere near the level of incredibly accomplished amateurs like Golovkin. Canelo might be better than his detractors admit but he is not a better boxer and better fighter than Golovkin. The fight itself should answer those questions at least. The 'better man' thing is just stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I like Mexican fighters. If you are a boxing fan you can't help but like Mexican fighters, Japanese Fighters, American Fighters etc. I don't buy into the nationality translating into individual ability thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI guess gamo likes Mexican fighters. He is mistaken about this fight but seems like a nice guyQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat does any of that even mean? We have seen part time boxers here in the UK demolish Mexicans who are nowhere near the level of incredibly accomplished amateurs like Golovkin. Canelo might be better than his detractors admit but he is not a better boxer and better fighter than Golovkin. The fight itself should answer those questions at least. The 'better man' thing is just stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Unless you're a Cuban amateur ;D
No, but some do. Perhaps he had Mexican heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzI like Mexican fighters. If you are a boxing fan you can't help but like Mexican fighters, Japanese Fighters, American Fighters etc. I don't buy into the nationality translating into individual ability thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusI guess gamo likes Mexican fighters. He is mistaken about this fight but seems like a nice guyQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat does any of that even mean? We have seen part time boxers here in the UK demolish Mexicans who are nowhere near the level of incredibly accomplished amateurs like Golovkin. Canelo might be better than his detractors admit but he is not a better boxer and better fighter than Golovkin. The fight itself should answer those questions at least. The 'better man' thing is just stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Thanks @walrus :) I love Mexican fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Barrera, Morales, Chavez, Sanchez, Marquez and now Alvarez
Five of the best to ever do it and Canelo is well on his way IMO.
No prob @GaMo I think @Beanz felt you were being racially insensitive or perhaps racist but I just read it as you like Mexican fighters. I like American fighters of any heritage I don't think having a group you cheer for denotes nazism, damn ggg is my favorite fighter now, along with Crawford in these cases I'm not thinking of race, just as fighters. Good luck mo and if your boy wins, I think not, but I shall congratulate you, a sort of gentlemans wagerQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThanks @walrus :) I love Mexican fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Barrera, Morales, Chavez, Sanchez, Marquez and now Alvarez
Five of the best to ever do it and Canelo is well on his way IMO.
:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusNo prob @GaMo I think @Beanz felt you were being racially insensitive or perhaps racist but I just read it as you like Mexican fighters. I like American fighters of any heritage I don't think having a group you cheer for denotes nazism, damn ggg is my favorite fighter now, along with Crawford in these cases I'm not thinking of race, just as fighters. Good luck mo and if your boy wins, I think not, but I shall congratulate you, a sort of gentlemans wagerQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThanks @walrus :) I love Mexican fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Barrera, Morales, Chavez, Sanchez, Marquez and now Alvarez
Five of the best to ever do it and Canelo is well on his way IMO.
Good reply when u saw ur argument lost traction. This will be a good fight I hope we all enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusNo prob @GaMo I think @Beanz felt you were being racially insensitive or perhaps racist but I just read it as you like Mexican fighters. I like American fighters of any heritage I don't think having a group you cheer for denotes nazism, damn ggg is my favorite fighter now, along with Crawford in these cases I'm not thinking of race, just as fighters. Good luck mo and if your boy wins, I think not, but I shall congratulate you, a sort of gentlemans wagerQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThanks @walrus :) I love Mexican fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Barrera, Morales, Chavez, Sanchez, Marquez and now Alvarez
Five of the best to ever do it and Canelo is well on his way IMO.
Walrus, a little advice. Maybe try not wasting your time telling other posters what you think other posters felt or meant. I never called Bilbo Gamo a racist or accused him of being a Nazi because he thought Canelo being Mexican gave him some kind of advantage over Golovkin. You are just making stuff up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusGood reply when u saw ur argument lost traction. This will be a good fight I hope we all enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusNo prob @GaMo I think @Beanz felt you were being racially insensitive or perhaps racist but I just read it as you like Mexican fighters. I like American fighters of any heritage I don't think having a group you cheer for denotes nazism, damn ggg is my favorite fighter now, along with Crawford in these cases I'm not thinking of race, just as fighters. Good luck mo and if your boy wins, I think not, but I shall congratulate you, a sort of gentlemans wagerQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThanks @walrus :) I love Mexican fightersQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Barrera, Morales, Chavez, Sanchez, Marquez and now Alvarez
Five of the best to ever do it and Canelo is well on his way IMO.
if I am not a BoxNation subscriber, can I still buy the fight via Sky Box Office?
You can on the sky or virgin platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo are all welterweight/junior middleweights, and when they faced Canelo, other than Cotto, they were (less than) shades of their former selves. And Cotto hasn't been known as a puncher at that weight. So, no they all have were well picked opponents for Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoSo Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo all can’t punch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
They all have very decent knockout percentages.
Curtis Stevens is a big puncher based on what?
I know HBO hyped him up before the GGG fight
But let’s be honest, he’s just an average fighter.
Lemieux is a decent puncher but who has he knocked out?
Three of his last six fights have gone the distance.
Jacobs punches hard than both Lemieux and Stevens IMO
Of course, he’s beaten the better fighters at 160Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He’s spent his whole career at middleweight.
However, Alvarez beat Cotto, who beat Martinez
Who was the Middleweight champion of the world.
I don’t think Alvarez has ever cheated or been gifted a win
The Lara fight was close but so was the Jacobs fight for GGG.
Canelo's big wins were against Trout and Lara. And those are solid wins.
What they say about punching power is the better puncher in a fight is the guy who can take the other guys' power more. With that said, who do you think can take each other's punches better here?
@Rantcatrat I think they both have good chins
And I expect this fight to go the full 12 rounds
Without either man touching the canvas.
Solid opponents. The wins were anything but solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratKirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo are all welterweight/junior middleweights, and when they faced Canelo, other than Cotto, they were (less than) shades of their former selves. And Cotto hasn't been known as a puncher at that weight. So, no they all have were well picked opponents for Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoSo Kirkland, Cotto, Cintron and Angulo all can’t punch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
They all have very decent knockout percentages.
Curtis Stevens is a big puncher based on what?
I know HBO hyped him up before the GGG fight
But let’s be honest, he’s just an average fighter.
Lemieux is a decent puncher but who has he knocked out?
Three of his last six fights have gone the distance.
Jacobs punches hard than both Lemieux and Stevens IMO
Of course, he’s beaten the better fighters at 160Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He’s spent his whole career at middleweight.
However, Alvarez beat Cotto, who beat Martinez
Who was the Middleweight champion of the world.
I don’t think Alvarez has ever cheated or been gifted a win
The Lara fight was close but so was the Jacobs fight for GGG.
Canelo's big wins were against Trout and Lara. And those are solid wins.
Alpha made the same point about Lara-Canelo, yeah, it's an informative one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat@Fenster is one of the more prolific posters at Saddo and I tend to agree with him. However, Canelo struggled a bit with Lara, and the style Jacobs was able to impose with some success on GGG was the same style Lara used with Canelo, and Jacobs walks into the ring weighing 180 pounds and has 3 inches in hight and more in reach on Lara. I don't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
((Nice to see you back @Rantcatrat))
Apart from this fight (1:30 of video) can anyone think of another fight when Canelo was rocked/wobbled/stunned?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vanP8itF8rQ
That fight above is the only time I have seen Canelo "hurt", he is a tough squared jawed block of a man who probably takes a baseball bat to be put down.
I think GGG is heavy handed enough to hurt and possibly stop Saul.
Dudes he lost the fight to trout but wonQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Specifically thinking about when he's been hurt, walrus, like Master said he's a prime granite tank (he's only 19 in that vid above plus he was only briefly buzzed and it was the first round).
For sure he can be outboxed, I think Golovkin can outpoint/outbox him behind his terrific jab, but that's probably not good enough to get a win. Golovkin needs to iron this boy clean out.
Apart from Kirkland and Angulo tho who were both on the slide, what big middleweight punchers has he faced? Mosley a former lightweight is arguably the biggest puncher he's faced.
Golovkin is getting on a bit, but Canelo is made for him IMO. Jacobs was a much trickier opponent because he was just so much bigger than GGG and on his feet so much. Canelo is flat footed, takes time off and Golovkin will hurt him for it. I can see Golovkin, if he is at his best, hacking down Canelo to the body early and taking down the head after the first few. I can see GGG stopping him between rounds 7 and 9.
i want canelo to win just because of the way Golovkin says "you guys"
I really hope we do not get any "dodgy" decision, if GGG is winning the fight comprehensively but can not stop Canelo, Triple G is experienced enough to not panic and win the rounds and get the rightful decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Canelo has a rematch clause so he has his back up so I hope the fight is fair.
Ya I hear what u r saying fen I just still have a resentment about the trout fight.actually trout did get to him but not wobbled so much. Canelo is a solid fighter I'm just too into triple G as I saw him fight in my home stateQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It's extremely camp. You should enjoy it. The fight is free out here, so all is good. Can't wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I think Canelo can be stopped. It has been brought up that he has faced punchers, but they were smaller fighters and had terrible defence. GGG is a proper middleweight who has been crushing MW's and in that regard Canelo is in for a rude awakening. A fight against Chavez Jnr has made a few eyes flutter, but Chavez Jnr is not a good fighter. He lost almost every round in his proper step up against Martinez. Golovkin is going to hurt Canelo and eventually I can see him not wanting any more. You cannot fight in spurts or have heavy feet against GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI really hope we do not get any "dodgy" decision, if GGG is winning the fight comprehensively but can not stop Canelo, Triple G is experienced enough to not panic and win the rounds and get the rightful decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Canelo has a rematch clause so he has his back up so I hope the fight is fair.
Canelo can definitely be stopped, but so can Golovkin. No boxer, or human being, is unstoppable.
i agree that GGG has been crushing people for ages, and he will be the most concussive hitter that Canelo has ever faced. With over 350 amateur bouts, coming through the Kazakh boxing programme, he will also have very very good technique and a command of the basics.
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if GGG discovers that Canelo is also the biggest hitter that he has faced. Every single fighter who has fought Golovkin over the past 5 years or so has been very wary of his firepower, but Canelo is a beast too, and I think he is a confident fighter,
GGG trusts his chin too much, IMO, so he is not that elusive and doesn't move his head much. A good counterpuncher will find the target. Walking through Brook is one thing, Canelo will be another.
Neither guy has a history of cuts or swelling, but maybe this will end up being a critical factor.
These are two very very good fighters, (not quite) meeting at their respective peaks.
ive just bought the fight 😃
I think David Lemieux hits harder than Canelo but as Alpha says when 2 good punchers get together it is more about who is able to take the other fighters punches better.
GGG has handled light heavyweights like Jacobs in the ring and has shown he can stay with big punchers.
Fascinating fight.
Lemieux might have more raw power than Canelo (he might)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But Canelo has quicker hands, he's more accurate with his shots
And he puts the punches together better so he's more dangerous.
As far as I know Jacobs has been a lifelong middleweight?
Yes Jacobs has but he did not weigh in again as IBF rules state and rumour was he was light heavyweight when he was in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoLemieux might have more raw power than Canelo (he might)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But Canelo has quicker hands, he's more accurate with his shots
And he puts the punches together better so he's more dangerous.
As far as I know Jacobs has been a lifelong middleweight?
My guess is that rumour was made by GGG fansQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes Jacobs has but he did not weigh in again as IBF rules state and rumour was he was light heavyweight when he was in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoLemieux might have more raw power than Canelo (he might)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But Canelo has quicker hands, he's more accurate with his shots
And he puts the punches together better so he's more dangerous.
As far as I know Jacobs has been a lifelong middleweight?
Or maybe even the man himself (his camp anyway)
To explain why his knockout streak came to an end.
Truth is Jacobs was just a lot better than anyone he'd fought before.
It's no rumour, I'm pretty sure that Jacobs confirmed in an interview that it was always his plan to come in heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoMy guess is that rumour was made by GGG fansQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes Jacobs has but he did not weigh in again as IBF rules state and rumour was he was light heavyweight when he was in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoLemieux might have more raw power than Canelo (he might)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But Canelo has quicker hands, he's more accurate with his shots
And he puts the punches together better so he's more dangerous.
As far as I know Jacobs has been a lifelong middleweight?
Or maybe even the man himself (his camp anyway)
To explain why his knockout streak came to an end.
Truth is Jacobs was just a lot better than anyone he'd fought before.
Now whether it was light heavyweight or not is another thing but he definitely planned on coming in big.
Most fighters put on weight after the weigh in
The fact is he's made 160 throughout his career
Therefore he's a middleweight.
Golovkin went from fighting European level fighters
To a world class fighter and he struggled
It had nothing to do with weight he just stepped up.
Jacobs was a monster during that fight and yet GGG still managed to knock him down in the 4th.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Imagine what he will do with Canelo?
time will it be on where you are?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfIt's extremely camp. You should enjoy it. The fight is free out here, so all is good. Can't wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
all these training videos I am seeing are just the pair of them punching shit really hard
Hopefully around 1pm after my steak and salad. My dessert will be Ginger Crumble.