Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"

I'm wondering if there's estrogen being pumped through the screens in some new Saddo popunder?????

Guys are arguing like biatches and getting all emo.......

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pK4bLMd0avU

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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I would like to give my two cents regarding Clottey vs Corrales, you may or may not know this, but Corrales for his whole career was around Super Featherweight, Lightweight. He only lost to great fighters at those weight classes like Castillo, Mayweather, Casamayor, all fantastic boxers in different ways. I think its little unfair to Corrales bringing up his loss to Clottey, Corrales moved up two weight classes to fight Clottey, and Clottey is very good fighter his only two losses were to Carlos Baldomir, and he was beating Baldomir clearly until he was DQ, and his other loss was too one of the best Welterweight's in recent years Antonio Margarito, and he was doing well in his fight with Margarito until he broke his hand, but Margarito also had problems before the fight so i will be fair there. But Clottey is a solid fighter and Corrales moving up two weight classes and going the distance with Clottey says a lot about Corrales heart, will.

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who is will?

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agree with a lot of what you say mate, but...

corrales wasnt ordered to fight clottey, nobody forced him to take the fight on at a different weight level

And even so as shown many times in the past great fighters can adapt at different weight levels, a true mark of a champion is someone who can move up 1-2 weights and win a world title.

Nobody is disrespecting the great man and i for one dearly miss diego and the spirited performances he gave every time he was in the ring. But to claim that a fighter can have a contest scratched from his record just because it wasnt at his ideal weight is absurd.

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I find that quite funny, coming from a Hatton fan. But aside from that, perhaps you don't realize exactly how little Corrales had left as a fighter at the point he fought Clottey. He didn't choose to fight at 147 because he wanted to, or because it had ever suited him in the past, it was because his body was too old to keep cutting weight. Corrales always had an enormous frame for a lightweight, without the proper metabolism to be able to cut weight effectively there's no way he could have fought even at 140. I suppose you can't just scratch thte bout entirely, but to consider it any reflection of how Corrales would have done against any other opponent at a lower weight, in his prime, is certainly not a fair point. I mean half of you Hatton fans write off his performance against Collazo due to him moving up 7 pounds in his prime... But when Chico moves up 17 lbs after he's already a shell of himself, that's supposed to carry weight???? Please.

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who is will?

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agree with a lot of what you say mate, but...

corrales wasnt ordered to fight clottey, nobody forced him to take the fight on at a different weight level

And even so as shown many times in the past great fighters can adapt at different weight levels, a true mark of a champion is someone who can move up 1-2 weights and win a world title.

Nobody is disrespecting the great man and i for one dearly miss diego and the spirited performances he gave every time he was in the ring. But to claim that a fighter can have a contest scratched from his record just because it wasnt at his ideal weight is absurd.

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I find that quite funny, coming from a Hatton fan. But aside from that, perhaps you don't realize exactly how little Corrales had left as a fighter at the point he fought Clottey. He didn't choose to fight at 147 because he wanted to, or because it had ever suited him in the past, it was because his body was too old to keep cutting weight. Corrales always had an enormous frame for a lightweight, without the proper metabolism to be able to cut weight effectively there's no way he could have fought even at 140. I suppose you can't just scratch thte bout entirely, but to consider it any reflection of how Corrales would have done against any other opponent at a lower weight, in his prime, is certainly not a fair point. I mean half of you Hatton fans write off his performance against Collazo due to him moving up 7 pounds in his prime... But when Chico moves up 17 lbs after he's already a shell of himself, that's supposed to carry weight???? Please.

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not at all. i was the biggest hatton critic at the time and was furious that ricky had sold his fans short just to add "2 weight world champion" onto his CV.

I also came out if it believing that would be the last ever time we would see ricky fight at 147 and that he had hopefully learnt a harsh lesson about taking on too many risks.

But these are boxers, they live and die by their own decisons/mistakes. Nobody made diego take the fight on.

To keep using the same old hatton argument is ridiculous. Yes youve clearly worked out by my username im a big ricky fan and have the upmost respect for the fella inside and outside the ring.

But i was a huge boxing fan long before ricky came along as i will be when he is retired.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

who is will?

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agree with a lot of what you say mate, but...

corrales wasnt ordered to fight clottey, nobody forced him to take the fight on at a different weight level

And even so as shown many times in the past great fighters can adapt at different weight levels, a true mark of a champion is someone who can move up 1-2 weights and win a world title.

Nobody is disrespecting the great man and i for one dearly miss diego and the spirited performances he gave every time he was in the ring. But to claim that a fighter can have a contest scratched from his record just because it wasnt at his ideal weight is absurd.

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I find that quite funny, coming from a Hatton fan. But aside from that, perhaps you don't realize exactly how little Corrales had left as a fighter at the point he fought Clottey. He didn't choose to fight at 147 because he wanted to, or because it had ever suited him in the past, it was because his body was too old to keep cutting weight. Corrales always had an enormous frame for a lightweight, without the proper metabolism to be able to cut weight effectively there's no way he could have fought even at 140. I suppose you can't just scratch thte bout entirely, but to consider it any reflection of how Corrales would have done against any other opponent at a lower weight, in his prime, is certainly not a fair point. I mean half of you Hatton fans write off his performance against Collazo due to him moving up 7 pounds in his prime... But when Chico moves up 17 lbs after he's already a shell of himself, that's supposed to carry weight???? Please.

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If you consult the audio on the Hatton Lazcano audio thread you will hear Ricky himself speak of the loss to Floyd.

Never once does he use the weight as the reason for his loss.